Looking for a Marlboro Red taste to refill my Safe Cig cartomizers.

[Hootis]

Hi everybody! Noober here.

I recently received my Safe Cig, and now discover here that you can refill the cartomizers. Questions:

1) How many times can you refill them before noticing a decrease in quality?

2) I smoke Marlboro Reds; is there liquid that matches that taste pretty well?

3) What's the best way to refill Safe Cig carts?

Any links would be appreciated; if you can't endorse specific stores on the forum, please send a PM.

Also, the sheer volume of reviews and batteries and liquids and carts here is overwhelming; I'm looking for a good throat hit and lots of battery oomph to push it (pack a day smoker). Something as close to the real cigarette feel as possible. Any suggestions? Again, please PM me if you can't post links here - I don't want to break the rules on my FIRST POST! 8-o

Thanks in advance. Glad I found this place.

 

[Dee74]

If you really are looking for battery oomph, send back the Safe Cig asap,you probably wont be happy for very long. Many use a Kr 808 although I am not familiar with it and it is more cig sized. You can refill them as long as the atty will fire. You can get a Riva 510 at liberty flights.com for $33 with shipping no cartomizers but comes with carts you can order cartomizers if that is how you wish to go, it is not cig look alike and in a while you won't care. Keep reading here,it will get easier with a little experience. I still have my Joye 510 cig sized but rarely use it as the batteries only last an hour so so, Riva 17 plus when new, now 4 months old still getting 8-10 hours per charge. Welcome to ECF and ask away.

 

[wv2win]

Rule of Thumb: the more it looks like the real thing, the worse the performance.

If you want it to "feel" like the real thing when you inhale, then stay clear of small, analog looking, auto battery type PV's. At a minumum I would get a Riva/eGo 510 model. But if you want the best battery life, much less expensive batteries, best throat hit and best consistency, then you need to move up to either a 5 volt PV or a variable volt PV. The GLV2 is one of the best 5 volt PV's: Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - Great Lakes Vapor.

As far as an e-liquid that tastes like a Marlboro, you will never find one that is just like any analog. But the closest I have found is Liberty Flights, Home Counties flavor, 24mg strength.

 

[Hootis]

Excellent info, gents. A quick question about the GLV2; you say 5 volt but the site says 3.7? Am I missing a link, or are you talking about using the GLV2 with a different battery?

 

[REGGAEGEEK]

I recently received my Safe Cig, and now discover here that you can refill the cartomizers. Questions:

1) How many times can you refill them before noticing a decrease in quality?
Depends, when they taste bad, quit refilling them.
2) I smoke Marlboro Reds; is there liquid that matches that taste pretty well?
No juice i have ever tried really taste like smoke from a cig, and especially not smoke from a specific brand. And what a Marlboro really "taste" like to you may be completely different. Try some of the respected suppliers and focus on the "tobacco" flavors.
3) What's the best way to refill Safe Cig carts?
If i am not mistaken the SafeCig is a RN4081 battery from Shenzhen First Union and uses their cartomizers. These cartos are pretty standard "stuffed" cartomizers so you can refil using one of several methods talked about for refilling an 808d carto. They are about the same construction so either the "condom" method or "dripping" method or syringe or others will work. They 808d cartos will not however fit your battery. The only other carto i know of that will fit those batts is the dse103 by SLB.
Any links would be appreciated; if you can't endorse specific stores on the forum, please send a PM.
There are many great suppliers here, too many to list. Google for your product then check here for feedback.
Also, the sheer volume of reviews and batteries and liquids and carts here is overwhelming; I'm looking for a good throat hit and lots of battery oomph to push it (pack a day smoker). Something as close to the real cigarette feel as possible. Any suggestions? Again, please PM me if you can't post links here - I don't want to break the rules on my FIRST POST! 8-o
Well This one ain't so simple....and no one product will meet every requirement the same. Keep reading and asking questions. Going to a big battery mod is a waste of money until you firmly understand that you can live with the basic differences of vaping and smoking. There are models of ecigs better and worse than the RN4081 that you have. You can definately save some coin by refilling as well as ordering generic replacements that will fit your battery until you have some time to learn more. After that, the next most popular step up is a larger battery conventional production model like the Ego/Riva/etc.

 

[srcowell]

Wow! First and second posts go right for the jugular, "you need a Riva/eGo" without missing a beat!

Hootis, I also started with the Safe Cig, and I made the mistake of not even trying to send it back for a refund. If you still can, you should. But if you want to keep it, you can refill those cartomizers by either dripping liquid into the hole in the battery end or the mouthpiece end, or using the so-called condom method of filling one of the latex tip covers that came on each end (use the longer one) and filling the latex cup about half full of liquid, then gently press the end of the cartomizer into that cup, which forces the liquid inside. You can use either end for this, but be advised that the paper cover will get wet, so I recommend using the metal end so you don't get your mouthpiece wet. This is actually kind of a messy way to fill them. Less messy to just slowly drip the liquid into the metal tip, waiting for each drop to go inside before placing the next drop in the hole.

If you want something better that is about the size of a cigarette, the genuine Joye 510 is the classic favorite. Battery life is not great, but if you have two or three batteries, you can rotate them, charging one while you have one active and one in reserve. You can buy the genuine Joye cartomizers pre-filled, and the so-called Marlboro liquid is not bad, but it doesn't taste like a true cigarette. None of the juices do. It's like the difference between bread and toast. Same ingredients, but not the same. The Joye liquid certainly tastes a lot more like a Marlboro than that crappy Safe Cig. And you can refill the Joye cartomizers the same way I described for the Safe Cig above.

And the Joye 510 battery won't shut off and force you to recharge it if you take too many hits too fast. You can get 510 batteries that are automatic like the Safe Cig, but they are vulnerable because juice can get inside and kill them permanently. A manual battery has a small button on the side, and you can control how long your drags are manually, plus it won't get juice inside to kill it. If you get tired of changing batteries all the time, you can then look into buying an eGo or Riva or something larger that will still fit your 510 cartomizers. You'll know when you're ready to upgrade.

Like I said, if you can get a refund on your Safe Cig, I would try it. I wish I had tried. I waited too long.

Welcome to ECF and the world of vaping!

 

[TrippH]

The jugular? Rivas are cheaper and egos are the same price as a 510 where I've looked..... Far better too

 

[BAZYRKYR]

I have my own special Marlboro that I think you'd love...I've yet to have better... but you'd have to contact me to get it... you see I'm not new to vaping, I'm just new to ECF ...but anyways, a friend of mine sent me some liquids from various places that included a pretty good Marlboro from http://freedomsmokeusa.com/.....the Wyatt Earp is good to, its very unique. They have a deal on 3ml samples now...buy 5 get 5 free(all 10 must be different ) They have one called purecig thats supposedto be what your looking for....I'm ordering samples tonight so we'll see.

 

[wv2win]

Excellent info, gents. A quick question about the GLV2; you say 5 volt but the site says 3.7? Am I missing a link, or are you talking about using the GLV2 with a different battery?

You can get it in 3.7v version (mini) or the regular full 5 volt version. You get the option in the drop down menus.

 

[Dee74]

You say WOW, and then basically tell him the same thing! Only to add wasting more $$ to buy a Joye 510,when what he has is about the same as a 510, I don't get it. I said what I said based on what he stated his needs were. The other downside to the 510 is many vendors are discontinuing selling the batteries, I have been looking for a 5 pack for about a month, and if the do have them as singles they are the nearly the same price as the Riva/Ego batt. I just hope any new person does not get ripped off for junk starting out and they find something that meets their needs. I also will never suggest a high volt mod either. They may hate vaping and trying it as inexpensively as possible with the best equipment they can get for the money is all most of us want.

Wow! First and second posts go right for the jugular, "you need a Riva/eGo" without missing a beat!

Hootis, I also started with the Safe Cig, and I made the mistake of not even trying to send it back for a refund. If you still can, you should. But if you want to keep it, you can refill those cartomizers by either dripping liquid into the hole in the battery end or the mouthpiece end, or using the so-called condom method of filling one of the latex tip covers that came on each end (use the longer one) and filling the latex cup about half full of liquid, then gently press the end of the cartomizer into that cup, which forces the liquid inside. You can use either end for this, but be advised that the paper cover will get wet, so I recommend using the metal end so you don't get your mouthpiece wet. This is actually kind of a messy way to fill them. Less messy to just slowly drip the liquid into the metal tip, waiting for each drop to go inside before placing the next drop in the hole.

If you want something better that is about the size of a cigarette, the genuine Joye 510 is the classic favorite. Battery life is not great, but if you have two or three batteries, you can rotate them, charging one while you have one active and one in reserve. You can buy the genuine Joye cartomizers pre-filled, and the so-called Marlboro liquid is not bad, but it doesn't taste like a true cigarette. None of the juices do. It's like the difference between bread and toast. Same ingredients, but not the same. The Joye liquid certainly tastes a lot more like a Marlboro than that crappy Safe Cig. And you can refill the Joye cartomizers the same way I described for the Safe Cig above.

And the Joye 510 battery won't shut off and force you to recharge it if you take too many hits too fast. You can get 510 batteries that are automatic like the Safe Cig, but they are vulnerable because juice can get inside and kill them permanently. A manual battery has a small button on the side, and you can control how long your drags are manually, plus it won't get juice inside to kill it. If you get tired of changing batteries all the time, you can then look into buying an eGo or Riva or something larger that will still fit your 510 cartomizers. You'll know when you're ready to upgrade.

Like I said, if you can get a refund on your Safe Cig, I would try it. I wish I had tried. I waited too long.

Welcome to ECF and the world of vaping!

 

[wv2win]

Since the OP is ALREADY vaping and asking for better devices, it logical that he wants to continue to vape. And since he wants the best battery life, suggesting a larger battery PV makes sense. Instead, some on here wants the OP to take "baby" sets and buy one small battery PV and then a little larger one and then maybe the next bigger one. And of course those who suggested the small battery PV also told the guy to spend even more money and buy 3 more batteries so after an hour he can change-charge, change-charge, change-charge batteries all day long. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

 

[CraigHB]

I made that mistake much to my bank account's chagrin. Don't take baby steps, go right for the goods. Pick up something with at least a 650mah battery.

 

[srcowell]

OK, let's not quarrel!

I suggested the Joye 510, assuming the OP would be returning the Safe Cig, because it's been a favorite starter for many people and I never have a problem finding new batteries for mine at cignot.com. Also, I suggested it because the Joye 510 pre-filled cartos in the Marlboro flavor are pretty good tasting. But mostly I suggested the 510 because the OP said "Something as close to the real cigarette feel as possible." I took that to mean NOT an eGo/Riva large battery. Most newbies want something that resembles a cigarette, and most experienced vapers push the larger batteries, which are not "as close to the real feel of a cigarette as possible."

My comments were a bit slanted because I had recently read a long thread about how people always try to persuade new vapers to jump straight ahead to the big batteries instead of answering their questions directly about finding something that will feel like a cigarette to them in their hands. New vapers almost always want something that replaces the size and shape of a cigarette because that is the size and shape they are accustomed to and it helps them to transfer the habit if there is a lot of similarity in the early stages of transferral. To many people, the larger batteries have the look and feel of a dope pipe more than a cigarette.

As for myself, I said before that I too bought the Safe Cig to start with, and almost immediately regretted it and found the 510, which I still love. I use the Joye 510 cartos on batteries that are 510, eGo, and the longer 1000mAh eGo.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Not my intention.

 

[wv2win]

If your most important criteria is how a PV "feels" in your hand and not how it performs, then save your money and stay with the Safe-cig. If you want something that "feels" like the real thing when you INHALE, then get a better battery device.

 

[REGGAEGEEK]

Everyone here went through some sort of progression before they ended up with something that was comfortable enough for them to continue vaping as opposed to returning to smoking. I have seen even many of my friends that tried vaping and started with a Joye 510 discontinue and go back to cigs for various reasons. Vaping really isn't smoking, no way, no how. For people who really want to get off cigs but haven't been able to for the most common reasons, it is about the best alternative -- that's about it.

That being said, i read thread after thread from new folks who have gotten their first ecig only to find out that it's ok but not quite enough for them to make the leap permanently, for whatever the reason, but they think if it was better overall they might could. So they ask how to make it better.... then the replies come and most tell them they need to move up to whatever point in the progression the person replying ihappens to be. If the replying poster has just found that an ego works for them better than a smaller battery 510 that's the answer. If they just found that a HV mod works best for them, then that's the miracle cure. The bottom line is that every single person needs to go thru the progression until they find what works for them. It can be a relatively expensively progression depending on how long it takes and how many different "advices" they take. I know a lot of people who's smoking habit wasn't driven by saving money so they still smoke premium brands, while others smoked the cheapest cigs around. Everyone will have to adjust their progression along the vape satisfaction trail to their own finances. That doesn't mean that going to a bigger battery as the very next step will help them.

I know people (my wife for one) who has been perfectly satisfied with her base model Joye 510 for over a year. She looks at all my mods and thinks i am crazy for using something that bears no resemblance at all to my beloved Marlboro Kings. Suggesting that someone move from a first replacement ecig to an ego/riva/GGTS/SB or whatever just because it may do something better could do more harm than good if the person fails to progress to the requirements those devices meet.

 

[Hootis]

Thank you all for the lively discussion and advice!

Questions about the Safe Cig battery and similar smaller batteries:

Does the smaller voltage mean simply more charging, or does it affect the amount of vapor? What is the main problem with smaller batteries?

 

[intog]

I also started with a safecig kit (4081) and I also have a couple 510s. The cartomizers that come with your kit can last a long time through refilling. Out of the 10 cartos I started with from safecig, I still have 7 left that I refill. They don't burn up as easily as the cheap 4081 blank cartomizers I purchased (none of those are left). I too have moved up to an eGo but I still use the small batteries for convience and the size when I want to stealth vape in public (to avoid looks). You can also buy adapters for only a couple bucks each. That way model numbers aren't important... you can interchange different batteries and cartos easily.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Thank you all for the lively discussion and advice!

Questions about the Safe Cig battery and similar smaller batteries:

Does the smaller voltage mean simply more charging, or does it affect the amount of vapor? What is the main problem with smaller batteries?

The mAh (milliamp hours) of the battery determines how long a battery will last between charges. The more mAh, the longer it will last. Your vaping habits and the hardware you use will also affect this, so if you're a heavy vaper using a small battery you may have to recharge more frequently. If frequent recharging or having multiple small batteries doesn't bother you, then keep using them. If you want to go longer between recharges, then consider getting something with a bigger battery like a Riva or an eGo.

 

[REGGAEGEEK]

Thank you all for the lively discussion and advice!

Questions about the Safe Cig battery and similar smaller batteries:

Does the smaller voltage mean simply more charging, or does it affect the amount of vapor? What is the main problem with smaller batteries?

Most ecig batteries produce between 3.1 and 3.7 volts to the atomizer, since the amount of heat produced by the coil is related to voltage (and a few other things) the voltage affects how quickly the cig produces vapor, how much, and the temperature of the vapor (and other things as well...).
Most of the better quality models have been optimized by the Chinese manufacturers to find a balance between voltage produced and duty cycle of the battery (how long it will produce a useable voltage). Many of these "standard" models actually work pretty well but depending on what factors you personally need to satisfy, many of the characteristics of an ecig can be changed by modifying some or all of the factors involved. Using a higher voltage can increase the heat the atomizer makes which can change the way vapor is produced. Other changes affect other characteristics. All "mods" work under the premise of changing some or all of the characteristics of a standard ecig.

The biggest problem with smaller batteries is the amount of power stored in them (think AAA vs D cell), bigger battery = more room for chemicals that produce power.

My first ecig experience was almost 2 years ago when a business associate sent me one from Hong Kong. It turned out to be an early model from Shenzhen 1st Union and was really more of a novelty than anything. It got a lot of attention but didn't even come close to getting me off cigs, lol. The first ecig that made me think i may actually be able to use them exclusively was the Joye 510. It came directly from Joye almost 2 years ago.. It also happened to be the first thing i had ever ordered directly from China and it was quite a learning experience.

It's been a long progression since then as I had progressed over the years to about a 2.5 or more pk/day somker of MB Kings. You will have to progress if the model you have doesn't cut it for you and there is more than enough info here to help you. Do a bit of research and keep your questions to specific ones when you can so you get more focused answers. If you aren't getting enough nicotine to satisfy cravings, ask about that. If you can't get thru the day on the batteries you have, ask about that. The more focused you keep your questions the less vague the answers will be. Keep at it, if i can quit then literally anyone can. Nobody loved their smokes more than i did but i have learned to enjoy vaping as much.

 

[wv2win]

Thank you all for the lively discussion and advice!

Questions about the Safe Cig battery and similar smaller batteries:

Does the smaller voltage mean simply more charging, or does it affect the amount of vapor? What is the main problem with smaller batteries?

The biggest issue with the small batteries is poor consistency and lack of throat hit, two things that are important for vaping to come closer to the "feel" of smoking when you inhale, which most want inorder to make the transition. The much better time on a charge is just a nice side benefit.