Looking for a Marlboro Red taste to refill my Safe Cig cartomizers.

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Thank you all for the lively discussion and advice!

Questions about the Safe Cig battery and similar smaller batteries:

Does the smaller voltage mean simply more charging, or does it affect the amount of vapor? What is the main problem with smaller batteries?

Hootis, back in September, I was in the same exact position as you are. I had just bought the Safe Cig and it was not satisfying my smoking urges. I bought it in part because it looked like a cigarette, and somewhere I read a review that recommended it. It delivered nicotine, but not enough. But mainly, it just didn't produce enough kick or vapor to make me feel like I was smoking, and I really needed that feeling if I was going to quit the cigarettes completely.

So I explored online and found several e-cig forums. Obviously, this one is the best of those I've found so far. I read lots of threads, looking for recommendations. It was mind-boggling how many varieties of e-cigs and accessories there are! Then I saw this video from MistressNomad:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-videos-newbies-particular-broke-newbies.html

When I saw how much vapor was being produced by the two models she showed, I knew I was on the right track. I compared the two in the video and decided the Joye 510 suited my tastes better, in large part because it was the same size as the 100mm cigarettes I was addicted to. I have spent the last 45 years of my life with a 1/4" x 4" nicotine tube in my hands and mouth, and I didn't want something that more resembled a cigar or dope pipe than a cigarette. That would have made me very self-conscious in public, especially at work. I wanted something similar to my cigs, in size and shape, and hopefully in taste and nicotine delivery. Good vapor was bonus.

While it may be true that larger batteries are less of a pain because they last longer, the main reason people buy them is that they produce vapor more efficiently. The throat hit of the smaller 510 battery is sufficient for most people. The nicotine delivery is sufficient, and the vapor volume is sufficient.

The vast majority of people using e-cigarettes use devices that are about the same size as cigarettes. The experienced vapers here are in the minority in the real word, but in the majority of frequent posters in this forum. There is nothing wrong with preferring an e-cig that resembles a cigarette in size and shape. By comparison, an eGo battery, which can use the 510 cartomizers and atomizers, is slightly smaller than a roll of dimes, and a little larger than a AA battery. About twice the diameter of a cigarette, but about the length of the Safe Cig batteries you now own. It also weighs about as much as a AA battery, so you're not likely to dangle it in your mouth.

The Joye 510 is very slightly smaller than the Safe Cig, more the size of a real cigarette. I'm sure you've noticed the Safe Cig is slightly larger than a real cigarette. When you hear people say that you have to change batteries every 1-2 hours with a 510, they are talking about chain-vaping. If you use it for the same amount of time you use cigarettes, it will get you through most of the day on one charge, just as your Safe Cig would.

The average Joye starter kit comes with two batteries, whether the 510 size or the eGo size. If you prefer to start with the cig-sized 510, it's a good idea to ask the vendor if you can have a pack of 5 pre-filled cartomizers instead of the old style 3-piece atomizer/cartridge/battery. The cartomizers are just like what came with the Safe Cig, with atomizer built into the cartridge. I'd recommed you start with the Marlboro 26mg. Then if that's too strong, you can order in the 18mg dosage next time. A good place to buy them, and a vendor that I already KNOW will let you have cartomizers instead of atomizers, is Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.. Vicki is the lady who runs it, and she told me she'd be glad to swap out to cartomizers in her starter kits if people just ask for them in the Comments area when they order.

In my first post in this thread, I recommended getting three 510 batteries so that you have a backup. They cost about $12 each. Cignot sells them 3 for $35, manual or automatic. I recommend three because sometimes batteries die, and you don't want to be caught without your e-cig while your only 2 batteries are not working. You might forget to charge one, or discover that it died, or leave one at home. Not having the hardware to vape is the surest way to backslide into buying a pack of cigarettes. Alway carry spare batteries and cartomizers. I take four batteries to work with me, and I bought an extra charger to leave at work so I always have one there.

Once you get comfortable with the e-cig, you will have read many posts in this forum, and you can make more informed decisions about your future upgrades. My only concern is in giving you the moral support and understanding you need at this critical time of transition. We all want you to succeed is quitting cigarettes forever. You are the one to make your own decisions about what hardware you want, what you can afford, and how fast you want to proceed.

I wish you the best of luck kicking those nasty stinking deadly cigarettes out of your life forever, while still enjoying your nicotine and blowing clouds! You'll still be handling a little pacifier and sucking on it, just like your beloved cigarettes, but you will no longer be killing yourself, and no longer will be a pariah in your social circles. :laugh:
 

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Thank you all for the lively discussion and advice!

Questions about the Safe Cig battery and similar smaller batteries:

Does the smaller voltage mean simply more charging, or does it affect the amount of vapor? What is the main problem with smaller batteries?

It effects both. Anyone who tells you that a small battery PV vapes (inhaled feel) just as well as a good 5 volt or VV PV either has never used a better battery PV or is blowing vapor up your back end. And more people are vaping small, weak battery PV's because the bigger companies that sell them have huge marketing budgets. Good marketing has nothing to do with good PV's. And anyone who says a regular 510 will last all day is definitely blowing vapor up your back side. The only way a regular 510 will last you eight hours is if you take one-two inhales off it only every 1-2 hours. Otherwise, as reported in thousands of post on various forums, 1-1 and a half hours is typical.
 

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Id go for a 808 for a cig feel and good kick. 510 autos arent that great, and far too sensitive. Once you get a hang of e cigs, and get some money stored up, then choose whatever else you want. If you dont mind a manual battery, then a mega 510 is best. I have all of the above, and a few more, and if I want cig feel, I go 808 auto. When I wanna VAPE, Im on the ego. The dekang usa mix is a great starter for a marb taste, and cheap, but quality.
 

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It effects both. Anyone who tells you that a small battery PV vapes (inhaled feel) just as well as a good 5 volt or VV PV either has never used a better battery PV or is blowing vapor up your back end. And more people are vaping small, weak battery PV's because the bigger companies that sell them have huge marketing budgets. Good marketing has nothing to do with good PV's. And anyone who says a regular 510 will last all day is definitely blowing vapor up your back side. The only way a regular 510 will last you eight hours is if you take one-two inhales off it only every 1-2 hours. Otherwise, as reported in thousands of post on various forums, 1-1 and a half hours is typical.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to blow vapor up anyone's back side, literally or figuratively in this discussion. I don't recall anyone in this thread saying that a small battery vapes "just as well as" a larger battery. In my own case, I said the 501 was sufficient, not equal to bigger batteries.

It's my feeling that the vast majority of e-cigs sold in the world are the size of cigarettes because that's what most people expect. Marketing has nothing to do with it. Put them side by side in a smoke shop display case, and most people would choose the one that is the size of a cigarette. If this were not so, these large companies spending all that money on marketing would only sell the more expensive larger versions.

What I said above was true: "If you use it for the same amount of time you use cigarettes, it will get you through most of the day on one charge." The average cigarette lasts about 5 minutes, maybe 6. The average person might smoke two on the way to work, and one every two hours at work. Maybe two at lunch break. That's a sum total of 6 minutes times 6 cigarettes, or 36 minutes smoking time between 7:30 AM and 5:00 PM, which is in fact most of the day. 36 minutes over the course of nine hours. OK, let's double that and say it's 72 minutes vaping time. We're still well within the 1-1/2 hours of vaping time you state one can get from a 510 battery. Let's not confuse chain vaping with moderate vaping.

You said "The only way a regular 510 will last you eight hours is if you take one-two inhales off it only every 1-2 hours." So you're saying the 510 battery is only good for a maximum of 16 puffs? Do you honestly believe that is true?

Most people feel the genuine Joyetech 510 is a good starter e-cig for the average person. It's one of the most popular e-cigs on the market, even with the veteran vapers in this forum. Are they blowing vapor up the backsides of each other?
 

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..............It's my feeling that the vast majority of e-cigs sold in the world are the size of cigarettes because that's what most people expect. Marketing has nothing to do with it. Put them side by side in a smoke shop display case, and most people would choose the one that is the size of a cigarette. If this were not so, these large companies spending all that money on marketing would only sell the more expensive larger versions.......

And that is why they are "newbies" and are not experieced enough to know the difference. I will stand by my comment that if your main concern is how it looks, then any PV the size of an analog will do the trick. If you want the "inhaled feel" and consistency (6 to 10 hours) of an analog, you need to move to a manual, better battery PV. I do agree that a manual 510 (if you can get it cheap enough) is a good starter PV although an eGo/Riva is really the better option. You won't find many who own a good 5 volt or VV PV stating they want to go back to a regular 510 and there is a reason for that.
 
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