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LMAO, my volt-meter has a longer battery life... keep the Provari
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I want to see you try to vape your volt meeter... with the 9v
LMAO, my volt-meter has a longer battery life... keep the Provari
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Lol. I'd hope so... I have to swap the batteries in my smoke detectors more often than I do my meters...
Actually pretty huge as far as a Genesis goes, the wick deck is almost twice as big as my Cobra. The air chamber is pretty large too, it produces a cooler dense vape. The aga-s is a smaller Genesis. It produces a warmer vape, I think because of the smaller air chamber. My Cobra falls somewhere in between.
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One thing you guys seem to leave out, genisis atties aren't hot at 1.3 ohms.... feels like a cool/full vape to me.
my understanding is because there is a large air chamber causing the vapour to cool down more by the time it get to your mouth.
For me the vape starts to gets hot once i get below 1.0 ohms.
oh... and i drill out all my tank air holes to 1.5mm, in case anyone is curious.
In reality a "hot vape" can differ greatly depending on the design and size of the Geni, you are using...
you really have to try it yourself to know where you want it, relying on other peoples numbers, is misleading because they may not run the EXACT same setup.
So keep that in mind, when searching for your atty/carto/tank/geni set-up.
I remember having a 2 min. coughing fit(felt like forever) at a vape meet.
The owner of the setup that i tried, said "yeah it's a bit harsh if you are not expecting it".
It was a voltage regulated bottom feeder with a carto...
The mod was pushing some ridiculous voltage, but it still didn't taste burnt....
to each their own.
Actually there are a lot of variables to this, heavy wire is a lot less thermally reactive than higher gauge, it takes longer to heat up at the same wattage. 28 heats a lot slower then 32 and takes more power to really get it cooking, close coil spacing also produces a hotter, less dense vape then wide spaced coils. The 28 will give you more wick coverage and a much fuller vape though. Wick design also makes a big difference, solid wicks wick better but have a pronounced heat sink effect compared to tube or straw wicks. Lots of variables in a genesis that all affect vapor temp. Little Vivi Nova's and T2 top coil Kangors produce some of the hottest vapor around, with very little power. Set up is everything in an atomizer.
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To the OP I have a legacy and I love it. It looks decent with the aga t on top. It's not a flat top but I don't mind that. The switch is fully adjustable as is the screw in the 510 connections. I really enjoy my legacy. At the price you can't beat it.
Thanks to all for all the good info and recommendations. I decided on a Legacy with a kick. That way I can play and still have the regulated vape when I'm running my tanks and dripping attys.
After building a few coils for the igo-s, the AGA does seem huge in comparison. I've really enjoyed playing with the rebuildables so far. What other value rebuildables are worth looking at?
It's funny how that works, after building some of the smaller gennies it kind of feels like your working in a garage under the hood of the aga.
For cheap Genesis, the original Aga (What Discount Vapors calls the Hydra) is pretty good and it's on sale at Vapor Bank for 12 or 13 bucks right now, it has a threaded top cap though so you have to sand it on a flat piece of emory cloth a little usually to get the air hole lined up exactly right. Great atomizer for dirt cheap though. I really like the vape on the new model Aga-S, plus it's all stainless and look really nice. They removed the knurling on the new model and the top cap is o-ring now like the T+ instead of threaded. The top cap could come down more over the body though, it comes off a little too easily if your not careful and I couldn't get any bigger o-rings to work with it to tighten the cap up. Still a great atty though for around $20. A lot of people swear by the myriad of DID clones as well, although I don't have any so I can't comment from personal experience. I've seen nothing but good stuff about them though.
As far as Silica/Cotton wick attys, there are a lot of great cheepies out there as well, the Octopus dripper is great and easy to build, only around $8 from most places and produces some of the cleanest flavor I've ever had. The A7 is a pretty good dripper as well. The Vision Eternity is also great and the Terminator-C Odyseus clone is awesome, although a little pricey for a clone. It's around $65.
Vapor Bank, Discount Vapers and GotVapes all have a pretty extensive lineup of cheap rebuidables that are great. Some other members can probably throw their favorites out there as well!
I have a couple of AC9 clones coming J, holler at me over at the other place and I'll send you one
I'm in the same boat as the original poster. I've been bitten by the mechanical mod bug, and I figure it only makes sense to get a RBA to go with it. I have zero experience with either so I'm trying to start off on the cheap side of things.
What's the general consensus regarding a Smoktech Natural vs. the Kamry KTS X6 (sometimes referred to as the "Telescopic Storm")?
Here's a link to the Kamry: Super New KTS Mechanical Kit - The Kamry Telescopic Storm! [gv-KTSTelecopeMod] - $63.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
Both are priced similarly and both look decent enough to me. Ego threading is a plus but not a necessity, since I'll mainly be using a mesh-based RBA with it. Speaking of which.....
I'm leaning towards the AGA-T2 (or the "AGA Tiamat Plus" as it's called on discountvapers) for my first RBA. I know these things are all about your ability to build a wick/coil, but is there anything about this one that you guys find....irksome?
I'm linking to this one because it includes both the basic AND the glass tank:
AGA Tiamat PLUS - Rebuildable Atomizer
Thoughts?
I'm not too keen on the idea of having to sand things down. That sounds like something I could royally screw up....
Building the wick and coil is going to be hard enough with my stupid hands.....
What's the general consensus regarding a Smoktech Natural vs. the Kamry KTS X6 (sometimes referred to as the "Telescopic Storm")?
Here's a link to the Kamry: Super New KTS Mechanical Kit - The Kamry Telescopic Storm! [gv-KTSTelecopeMod] - $63.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
Both are priced similarly and both look decent enough to me. Ego threading is a plus but not a necessity, since I'll mainly be using a mesh-based RBA with it. Speaking of which.....
I'm leaning towards the AGA-T2 (or the "AGA Tiamat Plus" as it's called on discountvapers) for my first RBA. I know these things are all about your ability to build a wick/coil, but is there anything about this one that you guys find....irksome?
I'm linking to this one because it includes both the basic AND the glass tank:
AGA Tiamat PLUS - Rebuildable Atomizer
Thoughts?
I'm not too keen on the idea of having to sand things down. That sounds like something I could royally screw up....
Building the wick and coil is going to be hard enough with my stupid hands.....
You won't have to sand anything down on the AGA-T+. The cap on the T+ is held on by o-rings, not threads. The original AGA-T, it was threaded and the air hole was not positioned well. As such, you had to sand it down so the air hole lined up with the wick when the top was screwed on.
Please post your thoughts on the Legacy when you get it. I'm trying to figure out whether I want to get a Legacy, Precise Plus, or just grab a Natural.
Ok, I got my Legacy in the mail last night. And all I can say is, man, I love this little thing! The styling of it is slick. The all SS construction is well done and has the right amount of heft to make it comfortable, but not heavy. The size is fantastic, especially compared to my other 18650 mods. It is small enough to fit comfortably in my hand as well as in my pocket. I wouldn't call it a stealth mod, but if you went with the 18350 mini tube, it could be.
The unit is completely mechanical and you can take apart (tweak with) all parts to customize it to your liking. For me, that is a huge plus, as I like to tweak things and this unit offers quite a bit of tweakability (if that isn't a word, it should be). The switch throw is smooth as buttah and the spring they use has just the right amount of resistance to make it easy to operate with your pinky finger. One of my first PVs was a screwdriver MKII from TW. Compared to that thing, the Legacy switch operation is a night and day difference. The threading on the tube, at the top, is recessed into the body and therefore shouldn't stand in the way of putting a kick in with an 18490 battery. I did get a kick with mine, but am waiting on the extension tube to try it, as all I have are 18650 batteries. I'll let you know more about how it works when the extension comes in.
The one negative that I've found so far is with the locking mechanism on the switch. The switch has a spinning lock. When you want the switch locked, you spin the thing towards the base. Depending on your switch stem throw, the lock jumps the threads when it is all the way screwed down and will spin freely. It still locks the switch, but I would prefer that it was threaded further so the switch lock wouldn't spin. Admittedly, it's an aesthetic issue, as the functionality isn't hindered, but I find it to be slightly annoying. I have been able to adjust it slightly so that the lock is snug, but I would still prefer it to be tight, without spinning. I am thinking of picking up a rubber or plastic washer and putting it between the switch and the base. I'll let you know if that works.
Overall, I would highly recommend the Legacy. It is well built, a great size and is tweakable. It doesn't get much better than that.
The unit is completely mechanical and you can take apart (tweak with) all parts to customize it to your liking. For me, that is a huge plus, as I like to tweak things and this unit offers quite a bit of tweakability (if that isn't a word, it should be). The switch throw is smooth as buttah and the spring they use has just the right amount of resistance to make it easy to operate with your pinky finger. One of my first PVs was a screwdriver MKII from TW. Compared to that thing, the Legacy switch operation is a night and day difference. The threading on the tube, at the top, is recessed into the body and therefore shouldn't stand in the way of putting a kick in with an 18490 battery. I did get a kick with mine, but am waiting on the extension tube to try it, as all I have are 18650 batteries. I'll let you know more about how it works when the extension comes in.
The one negative that I've found so far is with the locking mechanism on the switch. The switch has a spinning lock. When you want the switch locked, you spin the thing towards the base. Depending on your switch stem throw, the lock jumps the threads when it is all the way screwed down and will spin freely. It still locks the switch, but I would prefer that it was threaded further so the switch lock wouldn't spin. Admittedly, it's an aesthetic issue, as the functionality isn't hindered, but I find it to be slightly annoying. I have been able to adjust it slightly so that the lock is snug, but I would still prefer it to be tight, without spinning. I am thinking of picking up a rubber or plastic washer and putting it between the switch and the base. I'll let you know if that works.
Overall, I would highly recommend the Legacy. It is well built, a great size and is tweakable. It doesn't get much better than that.
Here is a picture of the Legacy with my igo-s on it.
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Just for comparison purposes, here is the Legacy next to a few other mods. From left to right:
Lavatube, Lambo 4.0, Legacy, Silver Bullet, BB
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Lavatube, Lambo 4.0, Legacy, Silver Bullet, BB
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Ok, here is a follow up. After using this device, exclusively, for the past few weeks, I am still loving my purchase and would still highly recommend the Legacy.
First off, about the switch lock mechanism. It started bothering me, so I contacted Pure Smoker support and talked to Steve McVey. I have to say, he provided excellent CS and was great to work with. Steve said they had seen that issue before, but it wasn't terribly common and they had looked at a redesign, but the only way to do it was to lengthen the switch throw. He offered to let me send it in to them, but because I bought the device in the classified section and not directly from them, I decided against that, as it could have been caused by improper tightening by the previous owner. Instead, I went ahead and purchased a new switch assembly. This did the trick, I no longer have the issue with the spinning lock mechanism. It screws down tight, without issue. I mention this because, I'm guessing if you buy one new from pure smoker, it will not have that issue.
As I mentioned in my original post, the whole reason I started looking for a new mod was because I was moving into the world of RBA/RDA/Genesis. When I bought this, it came with a kick and I bought an extension tube so I could run it with my 18650s. I also bought an AGA-T2/+, an iGo-S, an iGo-L and a friend gifted me an AC9 clone. My initial thoughts with the RBA/RDA/Genesis stuff was to build between 1.5-2.0 ohm coils and vape them with the kick at 10w. However,since playing with them a bit, I've joined the crowd and settled in with .7-.9 ohm coils and haven't used my kick since about 4-5 days in. For the past couple of weeks, I've been running low ohm coils with the Legacy in pure mech mode (i.e., just a battery, no kick). The difference between this and a "standard" setup on a VV device is amazing.
I did an interesting experiment last night just to see if there really was a difference, or if I was just excited about my new setup. I built a 1.2ohm coil on my AC9 clone and got it going on my Legacy with a fresh battery. I then took the same battery and moved the RBA and battery to my Lambo, set the voltage at 3.7 and the hit was paltry. I then kicked the voltage up to 4.2 and it was ok, but no where close to what I was getting on the Legacy. I had to kick the Lambo up to around 5v to get a comparable hit. Now, I am using 28awg Kanthal so that might have something to do with it, but either way, I was surprised and glad I decided to go the mech/RBA route. Nothing compares to it. As I've mentioned in other posts, it's almost like rediscovering vaping.
Anyhow, I'll quit rambling, but just thought I'd let whomever was interested know that the Legacy is working out quite well and if you are thinking of getting one, go for it! You won't be disappointed. And if you are thinking of trying out RBA/RDA/Genesis stuff, do it. There is a bit of a learning curve, but it's entirely worth it.
First off, about the switch lock mechanism. It started bothering me, so I contacted Pure Smoker support and talked to Steve McVey. I have to say, he provided excellent CS and was great to work with. Steve said they had seen that issue before, but it wasn't terribly common and they had looked at a redesign, but the only way to do it was to lengthen the switch throw. He offered to let me send it in to them, but because I bought the device in the classified section and not directly from them, I decided against that, as it could have been caused by improper tightening by the previous owner. Instead, I went ahead and purchased a new switch assembly. This did the trick, I no longer have the issue with the spinning lock mechanism. It screws down tight, without issue. I mention this because, I'm guessing if you buy one new from pure smoker, it will not have that issue.
As I mentioned in my original post, the whole reason I started looking for a new mod was because I was moving into the world of RBA/RDA/Genesis. When I bought this, it came with a kick and I bought an extension tube so I could run it with my 18650s. I also bought an AGA-T2/+, an iGo-S, an iGo-L and a friend gifted me an AC9 clone. My initial thoughts with the RBA/RDA/Genesis stuff was to build between 1.5-2.0 ohm coils and vape them with the kick at 10w. However,since playing with them a bit, I've joined the crowd and settled in with .7-.9 ohm coils and haven't used my kick since about 4-5 days in. For the past couple of weeks, I've been running low ohm coils with the Legacy in pure mech mode (i.e., just a battery, no kick). The difference between this and a "standard" setup on a VV device is amazing.
I did an interesting experiment last night just to see if there really was a difference, or if I was just excited about my new setup. I built a 1.2ohm coil on my AC9 clone and got it going on my Legacy with a fresh battery. I then took the same battery and moved the RBA and battery to my Lambo, set the voltage at 3.7 and the hit was paltry. I then kicked the voltage up to 4.2 and it was ok, but no where close to what I was getting on the Legacy. I had to kick the Lambo up to around 5v to get a comparable hit. Now, I am using 28awg Kanthal so that might have something to do with it, but either way, I was surprised and glad I decided to go the mech/RBA route. Nothing compares to it. As I've mentioned in other posts, it's almost like rediscovering vaping.
Anyhow, I'll quit rambling, but just thought I'd let whomever was interested know that the Legacy is working out quite well and if you are thinking of getting one, go for it! You won't be disappointed. And if you are thinking of trying out RBA/RDA/Genesis stuff, do it. There is a bit of a learning curve, but it's entirely worth it.
jharres, welcome to the world mec. mods!
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