Looking into temp control.

[Steamer861]

Just to silence all you? Really? Are you a self proclaimed elitist? We are all do our opinions and yours is no more important than anyone elses!!

I don't argee with you IMO, about whom has the best temp control mod out there. I own 2 RDNA flasks and two SX Mini M series and I can tell you the SX350j is the current king of consistent temp control out there for now. If your coils are done properly, the SX has more than enough power to get the job done.

So you need more power...ok...so be it and that's fine. Some folks want that and that's great, but don't go acting like your the vape god and tell other folks to be silent...down right rude mate.

I will go on to say that yes Evolve was the first and everyone else came afterwards, but cloned?? I don't think so.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion. I too have 1 SX350 J chip You may like it better, I do not!
I'm Defiantly not an elitist! I'm just stating everyone's argument is the DNA 40 only has 40 watts and the SX 350 J has 60 or 120.
So to " silence" that argument the new Evolv 200 watt chip, with the fancy new software, very soon to be copied by Yihi and every other Chinese company!
Watts don't really matter in TC. 15 watts can achieve 450 degrees. What really does matter is TC in real time. IMO here is were the SX350 J lags behind. I was so disappointed with My SX 350 J chip.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

I think you need to re-read what he wrote.

He meant that Evolv put out a 200w to silence the "I need it bigger and more powerful" people. You know, the guys with small peepee's that need to compensate with higher wattage devices. Or something like that.

And I would respectfully disagree about the SX350j. It's a good chip but better than the DNA40? PBusardo's charts shows the SX350j rattlesnakes in temp mode, the DNA40 does not. Otherwise, they both do a great job. I haven't noticed the rattlesnaking.

Evolv's DNA40 has been cloned. That is a fact. Maybe not by Yihi.

Ok...ok

I should have seen that as a quote and I guess I'm just fed up with haters and I read it wrong. Not to say that Steamer is a hater...He's not

The rattlesnaking is (as you probably know) is the pulse width modulation which, I agree I don't notice it either. And I also have to agree that Evolve is being cloned and has been for a while. Seems the cloners, get it out with bugs before Evolve tries to make it stable, before they release it. It's sad really that it happens. Seems just about everything is cloned now. I don't believe YiHi has done it, their chip completely different. In fact, I think YiHi had the ability to "lock" resistance and then Evolve released an update to do the same thing.

 

[KTMRider]

Everyone is entitled to there opinion. I too have 1 SX350 J chip You may like it better, I do not!
I'm Defiantly not an elitist! I'm just stating everyone's argument is the DNA 40 only has 40 watts and the SX 350 J has 60 or 120.
So to " silence" that argument the new Evolv 200 watt chip, with the fancy new software, very soon to be copied by Yihi and every other Chinese company!
Watts don't really matter in TC. 15 watts can achieve 450 degrees. What really does matter is TC in real time. IMO here is were the SX350 J lags behind. I was so disappointed with My SX 350 J chip.

I haven't used the SX350j long enough but from the 2 1/2 days with it, it was enough for me to still want a mod with the chip. The SXM is boxed up and waiting to be sold. My Boxer Mod should be here monday.

I agree the wattage race is beyond stupid with 100w+ devices but I can understand Evolv needs to be in that space to regain market share. I'm looking forward to the DNA200 but the 200w is the only feature I really dislike about it.

Ok...ok

I should have seen that as a quote and I guess I'm just fed up with haters and I read it wrong. Not to say that Steamer is a hater...He's not

The rattlesnaking is (as you probably know) is the pulse width modulation which, I agree I don't notice it either. And I also have to agree that Evolve is being cloned and has been for a while. Seems the cloners, get it out with bugs before Evolve tries to make it stable, before they release it. It's sad really that it happens. Seems just about everything is cloned now. I don't believe YiHi has done it, their chip completely different. In fact, I think YiHi had the ability to "lock" resistance and then Evolve released an update to do the same thing.

The Yihi fanboys would jump on you stating "It's NOT PWM!!!!!! It's PFM!!!!" I got that the first time I called it PWM. Pfft. It's a sh!tty signal any way you look at it. Luckily for Yihi, it doesn't really affect the vape, IMO.

As far as "locking" the resistance, I think it's a bandaid for a bad build, mod or atomizer. I guess I'm one of the few that likes Evolv's refinement process. Having to set the resistance on the Yihi is 1 more step that the user shouldn't have to take.

I might be biased but I think Evolv's TP is the best available. Yihi is very close. I don't have any TP clones but from what I've read, they're close but not quite there.

 

[awsum140]

To me, in my feeble mind, a resistance lock is a self-defeating feature. Resistance, as we all know, varies with temperature. The "resting" resistance will also vary depending on the local environment. To that problem, add resistance changes caused by loosening screws, crap in the 510 connector, added oxidation getting in the way and a host of other little variables. If the resistance, resting resistance, varies by say 10% because of these factors it will effect the vape dramatically because the starting level is so low. I doubt I will be using a reistance lock feature on any TC mod I own.

 

[Steamer861]

I have to agree also, only 3 of the newer boards(DNA 40) I have, have the atty lock but it's something I never use.
If some thing is happening in there changing my resistance I want to know.

 

[zoiDman]

Well this Thread is sure going Downhill Fast.

 

[KTMRider]

There's no need for a "rootkit" because they are allowing all the customization you (the user) wants. The DNA200 will work out of the box w/o any software. The IC's and PCB's are not made in china. My 1st gen DNA40 works just as good as my 5th gen.

 

[Steamer861]

KTMRider Just ignore him maybe he will go away.

 

[classwife]

You want to stay here or not ?

If you aren't happy to be here and follow the rules I can sure remedy that.

 

[Yozhik]

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to see how quickly the thread went downhill once the Evolv fanboys jumped in.

Anyway, what I would recommend when looking at TC mods is whether the chip is firmware upgradeable. The reason for this is that TC is still new and changing, particularly with respect to the wire types people are using. This rules out the DNA40, which earned a bad reputation for quality control anyhow. DNA200 looks promising, but I'd wait on that given how badly the DNA40 launch went. The SX350J is a solid performer. If you want a dual battery config and know how to solder, the Boxer DIY kit is a great bargain among TC mods.

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[awsum140]

I'm neither a DNA or a YiHi "fanboy". I'm impressed by the customer service that DNA provides. I don't know, or have any experience with, YiHi but, given the fact that they are a continent and ocean away, suspect they might not be quite as responsive. That doesn't mean their chip is bad, people that like YiHI are crazy or people that like DNA are insane. It's just part of what vaping is, opinions and what we each chose to use. Nothing more and nothing less. It's kind of like arguing Ford versus Chevy versus Chrysler/Dodge, pointless and based on our own, personal preferences.

 

[Steamer861]

awsum140 let the Yihi fanboys win this argument, if there happy with there chip Great I'm happy for them

 

[KTMRider]

I'm neither a DNA or a YiHi "fanboy". I'm impressed by the customer service that DNA provides. I don't know, or have any experience with, YiHi but, given the fact that they are a continent and ocean away, suspect they might not be quite as responsive. That doesn't mean their chip is bad, people that like YiHI are crazy or people that like DNA are insane. It's just part of what vaping is, opinions and what we each chose to use. Nothing more and nothing less. It's kind of like arguing Ford versus Chevy versus Chrysler/Dodge, pointless and based on our own, personal preferences.

If anything, it was the anti-Evolv fanboy that started it if you want to get your facts straight (which seems lacking in a lot of threads lately).

And everyone knows that Ford is the best

awsum140 let the Yihi fanboys win this argument, if there happy with there chip Great I'm happy for them

Competition is great for all of us. It breeds innovation and new features. In the end, we all win since we're off cigarettes.

The only issue I have is fanboys from either side spreading inaccurate info (speculation, opinions, uneducated guesses) as fact.

 

[Steamer861]

Ford! and to think I was really starting to like you

 

[Yozhik]

If anything, it was the anti-Evolv fanboy that started it if you want to get your facts straight (which seems lacking in a lot of threads lately).

And everyone knows that Ford is the best

Competition is great for all of us. It breeds innovation and new features. In the end, we all win since we're off cigarettes.

The only issue I have is fanboys from either side spreading inaccurate info (speculation, opinions, uneducated guesses) as fact.

Let's just say when fanboys start claiming Evolv invented stuff that it didn't, bashing China, or other bull, it really doesn't help anyone.

Temp control isn't about how many watts you have, it's about temperature control in real time.450 degrees can be achieved with 15 watts or 200.
Evolv invented TC EveryThing is else is a Knock Off, Period!
Just to silence all you, I need it bigger and more powerful people, Evolv is releasing a 200 watt TC chip any day now.
Again they will be first with the innovation, you will see it any day now, some thing NEW!! then all of China will follow
And the worst part is all of you who think that the followers /knock off artists are doing a better job making TC Chips.
I guess your entitled to your opinion, Even if you can't see the forest for the trees!

Meanwhile, there are distinctions that do matter, such as whether a chip is firmware upgradeable. It's an important enough feature that Evolv is finally including it on the DNA200.

And the correct answer is Jeep! ;p

 

[KTMRider]

Ford! and to think I was really starting to like you

Say it ain't so!!!!

Let's just say when fanboys start claiming Evolv invented stuff that it didn't, bashing China, or other bull, it really doesn't help anyone.

Meanwhile, there are distinctions that do matter, such as whether a chip is firmware upgradeable. It's an important enough feature that Evolv is finally including it on the DNA200.

And the correct answer is Jeep! ;p

Evolv might not have invented it but they were the first to market with temperature protection for vapers.
Firmware upgrades are great for laptops and phones but not really necessary for a device that makes vapor. Evolv listened to their customers and incorporated it (and then some).

I do miss my YJ a little.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm so Glad I Don't Know what Kind/Type of Board is in my TC Mod.

That way I can be Impartial. And just Judge if I like it by what comes out of the Drip Tip.

LOL

 

[Yozhik]

Firmware upgrades are great for laptops and phones but not really necessary for a device that makes vapor. Evolv listened to their customers and incorporated it (and then some).

I do miss my YJ a little.

Firmware upgrades aren't necessary, but then a lot of things aren't necessary. However, when someone is asking what the best TC chip is on the market, it becomes a very relevant issue. A firmware upgradeable chip allows for new features to be incorporated as the market changes or for most bugs to be easily corrected. Thus, a chip that has upgradeable firmware is worth more than one that is not and one should look for upgradeable firmware if one wants the best TC chip.

If someone just wants a cheap TC mod, which wasn't the question, then there are plenty of non-upgradeable chips that work fine.

 

[Hightech Redneck]

If it gets steered back on course I have looked at Tc to but am yet to pull the trigger. I saw someone mention the iPV4 early on but saw no one mention the ipv3li. I have found it for 85 bucks and like the regular ipv3 I use now it will be upgradeable to 200 watts. Everyone I have seen talk about the 3li likes it so far. Any of you using it?

 

[Yozhik]

If it gets steered back on course I have looked at Tc to but am yet to pull the trigger. I saw someone mention the iPV4 early on but saw no one mention the ipv3li. I have found it for 85 bucks and like the regular ipv3 I use now it will be upgradeable to 200 watts. Everyone I have seen talk about the 3li likes it so far. Any of you using it?

I believe that just became available. There's threads for it here that might have a review:

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