LorAnn Flavorings

[ROB26]

I just picked up some of LorAnn's English Toffee and have been combining with my Cappuccino, Coffee, and Orange e-liquids with some Glycerine...This stuff is GREAT!!! I can finally control the harshness of my liquids and stretch them out to make them last much longer! HOORAY!

That's why I love this forum!

 

[Starlight]

The Lorann flavours on the TW site marked with ** contain "either colourings, oil or sugars" - not all 3 at once.

The Peach has artificial colourings in it: Yellow 5 and Red 40, but no oil or sugar. The Orange Cream apparently contains sugars.

The only one in the TW list that I'm aware of with oil in it is the Peppermint Oil.

Sun, I've seen that Lorann's Key Lime is insoluble in water... if one clicks on "details" for the flavour on the Lorann site, it says:

Key Lime Flavor
Product Number:0412-0100
Kosher Certified. Contains: Natural Flavors. Insoluble in water. Appropriate for use in chocolates and coatings.

I thought that meant it's not OK to use?

Somebody on the TW forum posted a great spreadsheet with all the Lorann flavours and marking those with sugars, oils or artificial colourings. Complete Loranne super-strength list (as of 7th Mar 09)

I don't know enough about it either and haven't ordered any of those marked on the TW site with ** although I'd love some of the Orange Cream and Peach too!

I'm also confused. There seems to have been some discussions on other topics to do with Lorann and other flavourings (Bickfords and FlavourArt for instance) on whether some of the artificial colourings are OK or not. I've seen that some of the other forum members here use some of those with artificial colourings and not seemed too worried...

 

[Nicole]

I bought the Key Lime, but I really don't advise using it in an atomizer. I made a Key Lime/Glycerine mix, and it started popping and smoking like crazy, and when I inhaled on it, I got a lot of juice in my mouthpiece, and it was very foul and burnt tasting, so I quickly took it out. And since I like to test everything, I made sure it wasn't just a bad cartridge, so I put the mix in a clean cart, and it did the same thing. I won't be using it again...

 

[exogenesis]

...The only one in the TW list that I'm aware of with oil in it is the Peppermint Oil....

I've got that one & tried mixing it with 36mg PG & Loranne coffee
(worst case liquid for fouling an atomizer, for atomizer cleaning tests).
If you let it stand the oil floats to the top as a clear liquid, I guess that
would happen with al true oils (those marked as 'insoluble in water')

Personally I'm not happy about vaping those artificial colours,
but really how much worse are they than artificial flavours?

Even some of the clear colourless Loranne flavours, when mixed with e-liquid, slowly change to an strongish orange colour
(esp. PinaColada & Cotton Candy), so there's some chemical changes going on.

Then again the off the shelf flavoured e-liquids probably use similar
flavourings (& also Walrus is still posting, so they can't be that bad ).

 

[Monkeylurv]

The Lorann flavours on the TW site marked with ** contain "either colourings, oil or sugars" - not all 3 at once.

The Peach has artificial colourings in it: Yellow 5 and Red 40, but no oil or sugar. The Orange Cream apparently contains sugars.

The only one in the TW list that I'm aware of with oil in it is the Peppermint Oil.

Sun, I've seen that Lorann's Key Lime is insoluble in water... if one clicks on "details" for the flavour on the Lorann site, it says:
I thought that meant it's not OK to use?

Somebody on the TW forum posted a great spreadsheet with all the Lorann flavours and marking those with sugars, oils or artificial colourings. Complete Loranne super-strength list (as of 7th Mar 09)

Starlight,
If you scroll down on that thread/link that you posted, someone posted info from that Lorann Database. Most of the flavors contain either artificial colors, sugars and/or oils. The keylime contains oil according to the list. It also said sugars just as bad for the atomizer as oils. Which doesn't really make sense to me, since e-juice is made/cut with PG & VG.

I think I'm going to cancel my order. I'm not comfortable adding that to my vaping. I'd rather not worry about the additional stuff that's not essential. It sure as heck would be nice to be able to use some kind of flavoring, but I'll live without it for now.

 

[Phalse]

"It also said sugars just as bad for the atomizer as oils. Which doesn't really make sense to me, since e-juice is made/cut with PG & VG."





Well VG is not glucose, VG is only metabolized into glucose (sugar) after being absorbed by your lungs.

PG doesnt contain any sugar either, nor metabolize to it.

They contain some of the chemical elements that sugar does but they are not arranged nor exactly like sugar so there really is 0 sugar in PG/VG

 

[Starlight]

Starlight,
If you scroll down on that thread/link that you posted, someone posted info from that Lorann Database.

LOL, yes, thanks, I know . The link I posted was to point people to what I think you're referring to as the database (Excel spreadsheet and link to webpage for those without Excel, right at the top of that topic, in the original post) - it's an excellent compilation of all the Lorann flavourings and extremely helpful in seeing which flavours contain what at a glance. Thanks, exogenesis, for putting it together!

I also wonder about colours in the commercial e-liquids we buy - like the Red Bull ones which are red... Surely the red is just there for effect?

Yes, I've seen Walrus's posts but I'm still uncertain if to dare to be as daring!

 

[Phalse]

will vaping those oils turn us to walrus?






So does anyone know what they use for the stock liquid flavorings? Do they just pour those italian soda flavoring in there or what?

 

[vaporize me]

OK, for the life of me, I can't seem to find the list with the asterisks on the lorann website. Once again, I should have researched more before I made an order. If somebody can direct me to that list, I would surely appreciate it. I'll have to research items I want to order in advance to stop making these newbie mistakes. Thanks.

 

[Walrus]

OK, for the life of me, I can't seem to find the list with the asterisks on the lorann website. Once again, I should have researched more before I made an order. If somebody can direct me to that list, I would surely appreciate it. I'll have to research items I want to order in advance to stop making these newbie mistakes. Thanks.

That's cause the list with the asterisks is on Totally Wicked's site. Lorann's doesn't bother because they aren't marketing their flavors for e-cig users. I wouldn't call what I do 'daring' (well except for the cayenne thing) because the initial "don't use anything with coloring" was based on one person's assumption, with no anecdotal evidence that it was harmful. The only color known to be harmful (to atomizers, not lungs) is caramel coloring... and that's because it's made with sugars.

Statements that using the flavors with coloring will stain your teeth or similar effects are just false. The post that mentioned something like that happening were talking about vaping food coloring, not colored flavors.

Since we know that analogs have over 4000 chemicals (over 60 carcinogens), I don't think vaping one or two things that have no evidence against them is that big a risk.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[CssReb]

funny you should mention that caramel

I bought the Caramel flavoring from LorAnn and put a tiny drop on one of my carts that was pretty much full with Mocha e-liquid. I took a draw and it tasted great.... but a minute later I was feeling nauseous and my heart felt racy.

needless to say but I will anyway, I won't be doing that again

 

[Walrus]

funny you should mention that caramel

I bought the Caramel flavoring from LorAnn and put a tiny drop on one of my carts that was pretty much full with Mocha e-liquid. I took a draw and it tasted great.... but a minute later I was feeling nauseous and my heart felt racy.

needless to say but I will anyway, I won't be doing that again

Well... the ironic thing is that while many of their flavors contain caramel coloring... i.e. the chocolate, coffee, root beer, etc... the Caramel flavor does not. There's nothing in it that should dissuade anyone from using it. It's ingredients are listed as: Water, Propylene Glycol, Artificial Flavor.

 

[exogenesis]

vaporize me,
there's a list including the TW asterisks here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/8691-oils-atomizers-4.html#post134685

I think health-wise there's no 'this is bad, this is good' with the flavours,
it a spread of possiblities
e.g. artificial E-number red & yellow colours may not be a good idea,
down to 'natural colours' may be better, no-one really knows.
Or even if the artificial flavours themselves are particulary good or bad
for you when vaped.

Definitely for me no-colour & clear liquids give me more confidence,
but certainly oils & sugars dim the atomizer quicker.
It's all a question of degree really I guess.

Not even sure if the 'natural caramel colouring' contains any significant
amount of sugar.

 

[Walrus]

vaporize me,
there's a list including the TW asterisks here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/8691-oils-atomizers-4.html#post134685

I think health-wise there's no 'this is bad, this is good' with the flavours,
it a spread of possiblities
e.g. artificial E-number red & yellow colours may not be a good idea,
down to 'natural colours' may be better, no-one really knows.
Or even if the artificial flavours themselves are particulary good or bad
for you when vaped.

Definitely for me no-colour & clear liquids give me more confidence,
but certainly oils & sugars dim the atomizer quicker.
It's all a question of degree really I guess.

Not even sure if the 'natural caramel colouring' contains any significant
amount of sugar.

Sugars are the basis for caramel coloring. Here is some information that I've previously posted on the topic. The source is lost to me at the moment:

Caramel Color's most commonly used carbohydrate is High Dextrose Corn Syrup; however invert sugar and sucrose are also starting materials. High Dextrose Corn Syrup is the preferred carbohydrate, as the resulting Caramel Color is more stable over time and less viscous.

 

[exogenesis]

OK, thanks for that,
guess I'd better update that spreadsheet so that the 'contains sugar'
column is X'd for:

butterscotch, coffee, keoke coffee, peanut butter & root beer then.

 

[Walrus]

OK, thanks for that,
guess I'd better update that spreadsheet so that the 'contains sugar'
column is X'd for:

butterscotch, coffee, keoke coffee, peanut butter & root beer then.

That's what I'm here for

That all said, some of those flavors are worth it to me for the possibility of shorter atomizer life. Almost all of my home blends use something that has caramel color. I'm a chocoholic, and the coffees are a fave too. I've only killed one atomizer... and it lasted 3 weeks. I vape pretty heavily, too.

Actually, I suppose the fact that I vape heavily might be part of why it's not killing my atomizers. The liquid doesn't sit in the atomizer for very long! And I don't leave my atomizers lying around 'loaded'.

 

[Momof3]

I was thinking of trying some of the **riskier ones in 1 or 2 of my long out of warranty atomizers.

 

[vaporize me]

Let us know how that works out...

I had ordered some ** flavors before reading this post.

Waiting for my PV to arrive and didn't want to be caught short handed without nic supplies once I start vaping.

Being a total newb with only one atomizer, I am very hesitant until I am better equipped to experiment.