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I Love freshly made juice! I make 50ml bottles of juice and before they are almost half gone the sweetness is gone.

Are you using a flavoring whose purpose IS as a sweetener, like TFA Sweetener or CAP Super Sweet, and the sweetness from it disappears? Or are you meaning the sweetness disappears from the other flavorings you're using in the mix?

ETA: The only time I've ever seen anyone post something similar, was when they were using TFA Cotton Candy...thinking it was an actual sweetener, like the 2 above are. Cotton Candy's main purpose/use isn't as a sweetener, though it has a fairly sweet taste to it. It's purpose is to help tone down some of the harshness of tart fruits, or some other flavorings that can be kind of "bitey". If used at too high a % though, it will actually dull the other flavorings in the mix.

I know that in many of Bill's Magic Vapor's recipes...he frequently used both TFA Sweetener and TFA Cotton Candy, because they each served a different purpose in the recipe. When I first started DIY, I mistakenly thought they were both sweeteners, like many people thought and still think. It wasn't until I started following Bill, reading his numerous very helpful posts, and his super informative Blog entries...that I learned they weren't.
 
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I Love freshly made juice! I make 50ml bottles of juice and before they are almost half gone the sweetness is gone.

Anyone else get this?

I need to start making smaller bottles.


Maybe a case of vaper's tounge? I often find it I vape the same flavor for a while I stop tasting the full flavor. I have to switch to another flavor for a while and revisit to taste the full flavor again. The olfactory sense loses its perception to an aroma the longer it’s exposed to it and smell accounts for up to 70% of perceived flavor.
Or... maybe it's favor fade. As eliquids steep (sit for a time/weeks/months) the flavor often changes, some flavors enhance while others fade away, lemon is one that is known to fade. I never use sweeteners or vape sweeter type eliquids so I'm not familiar with how well or not they age.
 

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Are you using a flavoring whose purpose IS as a sweetener, like TFA Sweetener or CAP Super Sweet, and the sweetness from it disappears? Or are you meaning the sweetness disappears from the other flavorings you're using in the mix?

ETA: The only time I've ever seen anyone post something similar, was when they were using TFA Cotton Candy...thinking it was an actual sweetener, like the 2 above are. Cotton Candy's main purpose/use isn't as a sweetener, though it has a fairly sweet taste to it. It's purpose is to help tone down some of the harshness of tart fruits, or some other flavorings that can be kind of "bitey". If used at too high a % though, it will actually dull the other flavorings in the mix.

I know that in many of Bill's Magic Vapor's recipes...he frequently used both TFA Sweetener and TFA Cotton Candy, because they each served a different purpose in the recipe. When I first started DIY, I mistakenly thought they were both sweeteners, like many people thought and still think. It wasn't until I started following Bill, reading his numerous very helpful posts, and his super informative Blog entries...that I learned they weren't.
These are sweeteners that I add to my Tobacco flavor. I use 3 different sweeteners.
 

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Maybe a case of vaper's tounge? I often find it I vape the same flavor for a while I stop tasting the full flavor. I have to switch to another flavor for a while and revisit to taste the full flavor again. The olfactory sense loses its perception to an aroma the longer it’s exposed to it and smell accounts for up to 70% of perceived flavor.
Or... maybe it's favor fade. As eliquids steep (sit for a time/weeks/months) the flavor often changes, some flavors enhance while others fade away, lemon is one that is known to fade. I never use sweeteners or vape sweeter type eliquids so I'm not familiar with how well or not they age.

It's not vapers tongue.

I use 3 different sweeteners to avoid that. These 3 have their own type of sweetness. I tried at least a dozen brands and only like these 3. All 3 of these liquids lose their sweetness about half way thru the 50ml bottles. I am going to make 20ml bottles for now to see how well it works.
 

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Do you shake the bottle before you drip and/or fill up? Back is the stone age a common complaint was that juice was loosing it's goodness as it approached the bottom of the bottle. Keeping it mixed made the problem go away. This was before DIY was a thing, so I don't know or remember if sweetness was affected as well.
Well shaken all the time.
 

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Maybe it would work to make a larger batch without sweetener, then add it later when you break out a smaller amount for that day's (or week's) vape. I guess it would depend on whether the other parts of the mix can hold up for a while.
That sounds like a great idea... I may try that for now. I used to make 100ml bottles of my Tobacco base and experiment with flavors from that base.
 

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