Lost another supplier due to child proof caps - and the lie about why.

[amoret]

I've been really happy with Vaperite since the week after I started vaping. My three favorite flavors have been from them, though I've tried a lot of other suppliers. And, I could open the bottles all by myself. I had eliminated a lot of suppliers based on whether they supplied the liquid in bottles I could use.

So I stayed loyal when they increased the price a bit, and when they quit sending free samples with each purchase, but my last order arrived with child proof caps. Then, when I asked about it they said it was "due to regulations." So I e-mailed back asking what state had just done that, since I know that there is no federal rule.

The response was kind of an oops, caught us, since they now said that they were being proactive about the federal rules -- you know, the ones that won't be in place yet for at least a couple of years?

Luckily, I've started on the DIY path, so I just need to work harder and faster on that. In the meantime, anyone know where I could get an Earl Grey Tea flavor in a non-childproof bottle? I had to have someone open the ones I just got and pour them into different bottles.

 

[Miata GT]

I was surprised when recently many reviews started stating they would no longer do ejuice reviews for any bottles that were not received with child proof caps. I can preciate your plight but I think adding these caps is a positive step.

 

[Rickajho]

For people who don't - oh I don't know - actually own any children - childproof caps should be an option, not a government mandate.

 

[AzPlumber]

Can't you just pick up some droppers and replace the child proof cap when it arrives.

 

[Rickajho]

Can't you just pick up some droppers and replace the child proof cap when it arrives.

For some folks step 2: "replace the child proof cap" does not/cannot happen without assistance from a third party.

 

[AndriaD]

For people who don't - oh I don't know - actually own any children - childproof caps should be an option, not a government mandate.

Amen. My only child is 26 years old (and has no children), and if he hasn't figured out child-proof caps by now, I need to get him looked at. And Amoret, I feel for you; Walmart recently started putting child-proof caps on generic ibuprofen -- you know, a drug that's commonly taken for arthritis? I resent the *hell* out of all these mandatory child-proof caps. Yeah, you can find ibuprofen without that stupid cap, but you have to spend 3 or 4 times as much to get name-brand Advil or Motrin or whatever. Most of my aches and pains are either headaches or shoulder pain, but I have on a couple of occasions had severe inflammations of my largest thumb joint, the one that joins the wrist, and that HURTS, and you try getting one of those damn idiot-proof caps off something with a pain like that in your hand! Every one of those idiots responsible for it needs all the joints of their hands busted with a hammer! Let's see how they like it!

I haven't had any trouble [yet] with ejuice bottles, but my hands aren't currently inflamed, so who knows. If you're not aware, MyFreedomSmokes' ejuice does not have those stupid caps. I've tried only a few of their flavors, most were ok, their PG-Virginia is my all-day/every-day vape, it's so good. Their blood orange tasted like orange koolaid, ugh; apricot and snickerdoodle are pretty good; haven't decided yet about their French Vanilla; at first it had a weird whang on the exhale but I've been letting it steep for a nice long time, and it's gotten nice and dark, so I should give it another try. But who knows how long MFS will be able to withstand the current trend and use regular caps.

Andria

 

[Racehorse]

I move everything I buy to glass bottles anyway.

A box of spare plastic bottles with non childproof caps is cheap, you can get 100+ on Ebay for a song.

 

[amoret]

For some folks step 2: "replace the child proof cap" does not/cannot happen without assistance from a third party.

Exactly. Personally, I think it should be an option, like it is with Prescriptions, OTC drugs, or most cleaners. Since I was already looking at DIY I had been saving bottles and had bought some new ones, but I still had to get someone to open the child proof ones so I could transfer them. And with my issues, a separate dropper doesn't help much. The main reason that I had to quit smoking when I did was that I couldn't hold onto a cigarette. If I drop my vaporizer I may break the topper, but I won't start a fire.

 

[amoret]

Andria, what I do for over the counter drugs is I buy the name brand with the "arthritis cap" once and then refill it from the giant generic bottles. I still need someone to help open them once, but my husband can do the big flat kind -- neither of us can do the little ones on liquid bottles.

 

[10x sugar]

I am with you on the child proof cap "optional" amoret!

Free State Vapor makes an Earl Grey tea.

I cut it by half and it is still a really strong bergamot flavor!

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[Nermal]

Oddly, in many states you can specify non child proof caps on prescription medications.

 

[AzPlumber]

For some folks step 2: "replace the child proof cap" does not/cannot happen without assistance from a third party.

But from a liability standpoint the vendor can't be guaranteed that a child won't get a hold of the bottle. If you change the dropper yourself the liability falls on you.

 

[Racehorse]

I struggle greatly with pretty severe hand disabilities and arthritis, so I do understand.

Some days, the world of products feels like *Fort Knox* to me.

 

[Rickajho]

Andria, what I do for over the counter drugs is I buy the name brand with the "arthritis cap" once and then refill it from the giant generic bottles. I still need someone to help open them once, but my husband can do the big flat kind -- neither of us can do the little ones on liquid bottles.

Have you looked into any web sites selling Aids for Daily Living to see if you can find an opener that may help? I haven't kept up with the industry so I'm not sure what's new when it comes to assistance devices for opening childproof bottles.

ETA: Here's an article that describes the kind of devices I'm talking about and provides links to three different types.: http://www.arthritistoday.org/what-you-can-do/everyday-solutions/do-it-easier/health-at-home/opening-bottles.php

 

[Just Me]

This is a catch-22 situation.

Yes, these things should be kept out of the reach of children, as should medication (and common household cleaners and such...). It sounds really good to the do-gooders and the 'what about the children' group to have childproof lids, but the fact is that it doesn't always work as planned.

(1) The lack of childproof lids will expose the children to the possibility of ingesting the substance.

(2) Childproof lids will hamper accessiblity of the substance to some of those for whom it is intended, e.g., folks who aren't able to grip or use their hands very well, such as some of us with arthritis. And some of those folks will just manage to open the childproof bottles and promptly transfer the contents to another container more user-friendly to themselves, which takes us back to (1).

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

You may be greatly surprised by the ingenuity of children when applied to objects "protected" by child proof caps. I know of two incidents where a 2 1/2 year old and a three year old were able to open those caps. If this is being relied on to solely prevent children from accidently or purposely getting into eliquid we may have a problem. And...I definitely think non child proof caps should be an option when purchasing eliquid.

 

[Rickajho]

But from a liability standpoint the vendor can't be guaranteed that a child won't get a hold of the bottle. If you change the dropper yourself the liability falls on you.

Not buying it. If that was the case every car should come equipped with an ignition that can only be started with a breathalyzer. Otherwise any alcoholic could operate one... There is a point where this concept of being able to protect everyone from everything just goes too far. How's this one: YOU keep YOUR kid out of stuff they shouldn't get into and stop expecting "the world" to parent for you. Childproof caps didn't exist when I was a kid. Somehow that generation managed to survive anyway.

 

[AndriaD]

You know, when my son was a little one, I figured keeping him safe was *my* job, which is why I wanted to be a stay-at-home mom, nobody else would take that responsibility nearly as seriously as I did. The only thing he ever got into was the "Kraft Singles" cheese; big fan of cheese, so he ate the whole pkg. The doc said to feed him oatmeal the rest of the week, he'd get rid of it eventually. But I never had those "child proof" things on my cabinets; I *supervised* my child. Has that somehow, some why, gone out of fashion?

What is the world coming to?

Andria

 

[stevegmu]

The child proof caps don't bother me, but the heat shrink plastic seals over them drive me crazy. I don't know how many dripper caps I have stabbed trying to get them off, rendering them useless...

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

The child proof caps don't bother me, but the heat shrink plastic seals over them drive me crazy. I don't know how many dripper caps I have stabbed trying to get them off, rendering them useless...

I have "stabbed" one or two myself......