Lost another supplier due to child proof caps - and the lie about why.

[Robino1]

As I sit here thinking about how my vendor takes care of my order, I realize that they make my flavor to order. In other words, they grab a bottle, fill to the requested ratio of PG/VG and nic, then cap it and ship.

Realistically, they COULD put an option in the menu for childproof for non-childproof caps. Have two little bins. One for CP (childproof), one for NCP (non-childproof) caps.

The FDA and all those groups that are fighting us, will lobby for childproofing. I see the reasoning behind being proactive. They really should give options though.

I foresee a future with the dreaded shrink wrapping though. Ugh.

 

[GPC2012]

I've been really happy with Vaperite since the week after I started vaping. My three favorite flavors have been from them, though I've tried a lot of other suppliers. And, I could open the bottles all by myself. I had eliminated a lot of suppliers based on whether they supplied the liquid in bottles I could use.

So I stayed loyal when they increased the price a bit, and when they quit sending free samples with each purchase, but my last order arrived with child proof caps. Then, when I asked about it they said it was "due to regulations." So I e-mailed back asking what state had just done that, since I know that there is no federal rule.

The response was kind of an oops, caught us, since they now said that they were being proactive about the federal rules -- you know, the ones that won't be in place yet for at least a couple of years?

Luckily, I've started on the DIY path, so I just need to work harder and faster on that. In the meantime, anyone know where I could get an Earl Grey Tea flavor in a non-childproof bottle? I had to have someone open the ones I just got and pour them into different bottles.

Even my pharmacy give me the option of having non childproof caps since we don't have children at home it's a no brainer. All I had to do was request it.

 

[AndriaD]

It really irks me that this is an issue. If I leave a bottle of ejuice lying around, and my child gets a hold of it, drinks it, and dies, OBVIOUSLY that's the retailer's fault, right? It couldn't be my fault for maybe, leaving it lying around somewhere a child could get it, or say, not teaching my child not to eat random stuff they find. The same reason there are "caution: hot" warnings on coffee cups, "This product contains nuts" on the banana nut ice cream, integral locks on firearms, governors on car engines.... because people are stupid, and when they do stupid things, do anything they possibly can to blame it on someone else, and try to sue for big $$$. Idiot proofing everything takes evolution out of the equation by allowing idiots to thrive.

I've been saying that FOR DECADES. "Survival of the fittest" has gone the way of the dodo and Mr. Darwin himself.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I have a problem with childproof caps like most adults, they're a pain. I don't have arthritis but I feel for those that do. I also see the point of those things and, considering how stupid many people's kids are, and what lousy parents some folks are (and kids being home alone more now that both parents often have to work), it's probably a good thing. BUT I think all products that have child safety packaging should be available in 'child-endangering' caps as well, for those of us who don't have (or like - lol) kids or who have movement restrictions. I know it will never happen because it would cost too much, but there is so much excess in packaging already. Many things I buy require sharp scissors or box cutters to get open. I had hoped that online retailing would have solved that problem - you order something, tell them what kind of packaging you want, and they box it up appropriately, without all the extruded plastic nonsense. Since it's not coming from a B&M, there's no need to safeguard against theft. But, like the idea that computers would make us a paperless society, that never seemed to materialize.

I have also noticed that the childproof caps on e-juice are 'caps within caps', but I've never tried taking the inner cap out completely; it seems like they wouldn't really seal the bottle without that inside part. They do seem to come apart sort of halfway by themselves sometimes, making them completely useless. I've had to replace several of those. They're just not that great.

I think the "stupid" adjective really ought to be applied to the parents rather than the children; children are just ignorant, if they haven't been taught. Speaking as a mom who stayed at home and yes, endured many years of poverty because I didn't go out to work, none of those 2-income families HAVE TO be that way; one of those parents COULD choose to stay home. Yeah they'd make less money, but guess what, they'd get to supervise their own kids, instead of depending on Big Nanny and paid childcare. Kids don't care how much money their parents make; yeah they get huffy when you tell them "we can't afford it" all the time, but you know what, they get over it, and they grow up highly motivated to succeed. Give them everything and they have ZERO motivation to do anything - look at the issue of any rich person, and you'll see a useless waste of oxygen because they have no motivation to get off their butts and do anything at all.

The whole idea of supervising one's own children has gone right out the window, and it's a damn shame, and no wonder modern kids are so annoying. No one has ever taught them how to NOT be annoying -- in paid childcare, being annoying is probably the only way to get any attention at all.

Andria

 

[skoony]

For people who don't - oh I don't know - actually own any children - childproof caps should be an option, not a government mandate.

i agree. us older folks are always having to borrow our grandkids to get those pesky caps off.

regards
mike

 

[catlady60]

Personally, I think childproof caps should be the default, with an option to opt out of them if you don't have any kids and/or if you're an adult who needs a child to open the "childproof" caps.

 

[Rickajho]

As I sit here thinking about how my vendor takes care of my order, I realize that they make my flavor to order. In other words, they grab a bottle, fill to the requested ratio of PG/VG and nic, then cap it and ship.

Realistically, they COULD put an option in the menu for childproof for non-childproof caps. Have two little bins. One for CP (childproof), one for NCP (non-childproof) caps.

The FDA and all those groups that are fighting us, will lobby for childproofing. I see the reasoning behind being proactive. They really should give options though.

I foresee a future with the dreaded shrink wrapping though. Ugh.

Yes - the dreaded shrink wrap of tyranny.

For a country that's supposed to be about life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and all that jazz we sure do seem to be hell bent on enacting as many laws as possible to prevent that from happening.

 

[RosaJ]

I didn't read the whole thread so disregard if it's been mentioned before.

When I or anyone buys prescriptions at a drug store you can ask to have regular caps put on and they even log it in to your record. From that day forward you will not get child proof caps again.

So if it works with medicine such as any heavy duty drug, I don't see why vendors couldn't accommodate their customers wishes. I think some vendors are over thinking this whole thing. Again, it's a sign of very little common sense.

 

[vjc0628]

your not going to order from a company because they have child proof capps?


I'm sorry that's dumb

Honestly as a business owner I understand how quickly people will blame and hold a business accountable even for their own mistakes

Maybe they should have said its FDA who knows maybe its just some kid who was answering

But as a business owner 1 thing you better learn fast and that's to cover you own A..


How quickly would some one sue if their children got into the bottle even if they were the ones to CHOOSE the nonchild proof option

Jeese seems like people today want to hold businesses responsible and tie their hands from protecting themselves

I'm sorry but I see it all the time not just here but in many industries Its just the new attitude being indoctrinated everywhere

 

[AndriaD]

your not going to order from a company because they have child proof capps?


I'm sorry that's dumb

Honestly as a business owner I understand how quickly people will blame and hold a business accountable even for their own mistakes

Maybe they should have said its FDA who knows maybe its just some kid who was answering

But as a business owner 1 thing you better learn fast and that's to cover you own A..


How quickly would some one sue if their children got into the bottle even if they were the ones to CHOOSE the nonchild proof option

Jeese seems like people today want to hold businesses responsible and tie their hands from protecting themselves

I'm sorry but I see it all the time not just here but in many industries Its just the new attitude being indoctrinated everywhere

Well very clearly you DIDN'T read the thread. It is NOT dumb to refuse to buy things that YOU CANNOT OPEN. Period.

People really ought to read the whole thread before popping off with idiocy like this.

Andria

 

[Nermal]

^^ Double like.

 

[vjc0628]

Well very clearly you DIDN'T read the thread. It is NOT dumb to refuse to buy things that YOU CANNOT OPEN. Period.

People really ought to read the whole thread before popping off with idiocy like this.

Andria

I must have missed something is it different then other childproof topps you might see on medicine and such

If so I apologize

 

[Skeebo]

This probably won't help those with arthritis open e-liquid bottles but here's a little tip that you can use on those other childproof caps.

 

[Rickajho]

your not going to order from a company because they have child proof capps?


I'm sorry that's dumb

Do not get me started...

Maybe they should have said its FDA who knows maybe its just some kid who was answering

If you had actually read it, the OP already said the company tried to pull that BS and say "the FDA made me do it" when there is nothing on the books for this as a requirement.

How quickly would some one sue if their children got into the bottle even if they were the ones to CHOOSE the nonchild proof option

Who gives a rat's legal behind if the customer ACTUALLY CHOSE THE NON CHILDPROOF OPTION!!!

 

[AzPlumber]

Well very clearly you DIDN'T read the thread. It is NOT dumb to refuse to buy things that YOU CANNOT OPEN. Period.

People really ought to read the whole thread before popping off with idiocy like this.

Andria

Wow that escalated quickly. vjc0628 gave an opinion from a business owners point of view and I don't see why that opinion would indicate they didn't read the thread. Just because someone has a different perspective does not make it "idiocy"

 

[Robino1]

Time to chill in here please.

Let's not have this escalate.

Remember, attack the Post NOT the Poster.

Thanks!

 

[HecticEnergy]

people are too sue happy, and I think that's a real issue.
the government and seemingly a large majority of voters think its the governments job to "protect us." In the larger context I think this is true - from enemies foreign and domestic... I dont think that should include ourselves.
We give up personal freedom for a sense of security too easily and too often.
Again, I like the child safety caps - but that's a personal preference, and you are all surely entitled to yours!
all that being said, it sounds like its time for a new product to come out - maybe some kind of press that you load your bottle into and it auto removes the child safety cap.

Just out of random curiosity: those with arthritic hands or limited control of their hands, what devices to they vape? I know some mods have a really easy button press, so thats understandable, but I cant imagine changing a head in something like a protank would be possible. rebuilding seems like it would be out of the question. even dropping liquid in something like a ce tank seems like it would be extremely difficult. It seems like cigalikes would be the easiest option.. something that is full when you get it and doesnt take a ton of hand strength to open, attach to a device and use (not much more than a fresh pack of cigarettes and a lighter would take anyway). If that was the case I'm so sorry!! those things just dont do it... at least for most it seems.

I know it would be a hassle, but you could probably go to a B&M and I'd think they would be more than happy to replace the caps to a non child proof style for you. They may not sell it to you that way, but after you bought it I cant imagine they wouldn't help you with it. if you were a patron, I imagine they would help you with stuff you purchased online as well..


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[Rickajho]

Wow that escalated quickly. vjc0628 gave an opinion from a business owners point of view and I don't see why that opinion would indicate they didn't read the thread. Just because someone has a different perspective does not make it "idiocy"

vjc0628 said refusing to buy childproof products was dumb, implying that all people with arthritis, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injury etc. are apparently dumb - clearly missing the entire point. If people could get their heads out of their "Me! Me! Me!" pants for a second, they might become aware of a world out there that doesn't involve everyone having a perfectly functional body. Or children either.

 

[Akasticker]

Just change liquid into a different bottle, why make such a big deal about this. You have arthritis? Ok well children don't know things contain nicotine. It's irresponsible to give a company .... for being safe towards children and being preventative, it's not their fault u have arthritis and can't open bottles. But a child can't do anything about being in a situation with an unsafe nicotine bottle. I love vaperite and will keep giving them business.

 

[Skeebo]

I think the "stupid" adjective really ought to be applied to the parents rather than the children; children are just ignorant, if they haven't been taught. Speaking as a mom who stayed at home and yes, endured many years of poverty because I didn't go out to work, none of those 2-income families HAVE TO be that way; one of those parents COULD choose to stay home. Yeah they'd make less money, but guess what, they'd get to supervise their own kids, instead of depending on Big Nanny and paid childcare. Kids don't care how much money their parents make; yeah they get huffy when you tell them "we can't afford it" all the time, but you know what, they get over it, and they grow up highly motivated to succeed. Give them everything and they have ZERO motivation to do anything - look at the issue of any rich person, and you'll see a useless waste of oxygen because they have no motivation to get off their butts and do anything at all.

The whole idea of supervising one's own children has gone right out the window, and it's a damn shame, and no wonder modern kids are so annoying. No one has ever taught them how to NOT be annoying -- in paid childcare, being annoying is probably the only way to get any attention at all.

Andria

I respectfully disagree with everything you assert above.

If you chose to be a stay at home mom instead of working that's fine. It works for a lot of people. But, you said so yourself, you endured many years of poverty from that choice. I hate to break it to you, but that also means your kids also endured many years of poverty as well. There are plenty of two income families out there who successfully "supervise one's own children" and don't have "Big Nanny and paid childcare".

I would never choose to raise a kid in poverty. And, the wife and I did a fine job, our oldest will graduate from college next semester and our 6 year old daughter will do the same in another 15 years. If anyone has suffered, as it should be, it's been us going to those soccer practices, dance recitals, modeling shows, art exhibits, and the likes with bags under our eyes; but it's the sacrifice we made to keep our kids out of poverty.