Im sure in special situations you can just email requests
outside of special situations its dumb
Lost another supplier due to child proof caps - and the lie about why.
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Im sure in special situations you can just email requests
outside of special situations its dumb
I've been really happy with Vaperite since the week after I started vaping. My three favorite flavors have been from them, though I've tried a lot of other suppliers. And, I could open the bottles all by myself. I had eliminated a lot of suppliers based on whether they supplied the liquid in bottles I could use.
So I stayed loyal when they increased the price a bit, and when they quit sending free samples with each purchase, but my last order arrived with child proof caps. Then, when I asked about it they said it was "due to regulations." So I e-mailed back asking what state had just done that, since I know that there is no federal rule.
The response was kind of an oops, caught us, since they now said that they were being proactive about the federal rules -- you know, the ones that won't be in place yet for at least a couple of years?
Luckily, I've started on the DIY path, so I just need to work harder and faster on that. In the meantime, anyone know where I could get an Earl Grey Tea flavor in a non-childproof bottle? I had to have someone open the ones I just got and pour them into different bottles.
Read the whole thread, but I'm only responding to this part
. Deejstuff has an Earl Grey flavor here Earl Grey Tea - $5.20 : deejStuff eLiquid, The Apocalypse can wait... , and he provides an option of a standard cap, instead of a childproof one. I haven't tried that flavor, but I've enjoyed the other things I've had from there. Just to make sure you get the standard cap, you might want to put it in the comments, as well as checking the option for it.
Still not sure why vtc0628's post indicated the thread wasn't read. Isn't the point of posting to get others opinions? Isn't the whole point of this thread Me Me Me
eta: Oh and the poster said refusing to buy was dumb not being disabled, you may have missed that point
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My baby boy is now 26 and lives in California and I live in Texas. The next oldest child is 45. My granddaughters are 19 and 20 and they also live in California. So I guess It would be dumb of me to expect a vendor to provide me with regular caps in case some random neighbors' children decide to break into my house and medicine cabinet.
I fortunately don't have a problem with childproof caps, I can handle them fine, but given a choice I would opt for regular caps. That's all...
I fortunately don't have a problem with childproof caps, I can handle them fine, but given a choice I would opt for regular caps. That's all...
Sorry if I missed the part where you said you did this...
but did you communicate directly with Todd from Vaperite? Todd always had a reputation for bending over backwards for customers... He has done some special shipping and packaging things for me in the past... and that was before I was a more regular customer... haven't ordered there in more than a year since my tastes changed drastically... but I'd say give him a shout - he's a nice guy... and you seem like a good person with a reasonable request.
I have seen this a couple times before... someone with Arthritis mailed the vendor special bottles... because the vendor only had childproof etc... a little extra effort on the consumers part - but it it ended up being a win-win... the vendor even cut the customer a break etc...
but did you communicate directly with Todd from Vaperite? Todd always had a reputation for bending over backwards for customers... He has done some special shipping and packaging things for me in the past... and that was before I was a more regular customer... haven't ordered there in more than a year since my tastes changed drastically... but I'd say give him a shout - he's a nice guy... and you seem like a good person with a reasonable request.
I have seen this a couple times before... someone with Arthritis mailed the vendor special bottles... because the vendor only had childproof etc... a little extra effort on the consumers part - but it it ended up being a win-win... the vendor even cut the customer a break etc...
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Nice post! seems actually helpful!
I saw a thing on youtube:
basically you can disable the child proof cap if you put a thumb tack in the side of the juice lid. you can use a hammer to pop it in, just do it high enough not to grab the tip of the drip bottle. Youtube - search Make Childproof Caps Easy To Open
What are you vaping on? I cant imagine clearo's could be easy with arthritic hands (changing heads, unscrewing tanks to fill juice and screwing them back together tight enough not to leak). It seems like the only thing that could be an easy vape would be like a cigalike... yikes!
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I communicate a lot with my main juice vendor who isn't a supplier on here I don't think. He's a really nice guy and I think he would be very accommodating in a situation like this, and I'm sure many others would too. Personally, I don't think childproof caps are a bad thing for our industry. I had a grandmother that was disabled after being in an auto collision with a drunk driver, so I sympathize with the OP big time and understand the need for exceptions. But I also think that being responsible for the safety of others is a good thing. I think it's the responsibility of the parents to take care of their children and keep e-liquid out of the grubby hands of their kids. However I also know there's a lot of really stupid people with children, and regardless of if they ask for it by taking risks, we don't need the headlines of "My baby swallowed my non childproof ejuice that had a cartoony picture of its favorite cereal or candy on the label."
I'm typically always a rebel and the idea of running e-juice through the backroads dukes of hazard style while running from the revenuers really appeals to me. For some reason, a vendor defaulting to child proof or tamper proof caps doesn't sound like a bad idea, but like I said I understand both sides. I carried my grandmother and her wheelchair up many stairs or through gravel parking lots back before the ADA required places to have handicap access, and I helped her shop for a monkey to pour her coffee due to no grip strength (this was before computer automated stuff was an option, back then automated meant a person or animal did it for you.)
I'm typically always a rebel and the idea of running e-juice through the backroads dukes of hazard style while running from the revenuers really appeals to me. For some reason, a vendor defaulting to child proof or tamper proof caps doesn't sound like a bad idea, but like I said I understand both sides. I carried my grandmother and her wheelchair up many stairs or through gravel parking lots back before the ADA required places to have handicap access, and I helped her shop for a monkey to pour her coffee due to no grip strength (this was before computer automated stuff was an option, back then automated meant a person or animal did it for you.)
Just an odd thought here.
The caps for non-childproof are pretty darn cheap if you buy them yourself. If you go over to the DIY board they have lots of vendors. (I can't remember off the top of my head. Most vendors sell sets, but some just sell caps.)
But get your juice in standard sized bottles, buy caps and hire a college student for an afternoon to do caps, coils, even DIY. We're cheap. Heck, many of us will work for food!
"Hey, come over on Sunday afternoon, help me with .... and I'll feed you dinner." Just go to the engineering/science/math part of campus. We're usually a lot more interested in what works than what's politically correct. Especially when I was first in college, I did a lot of this sort of thing. Lawns, pruning, other sorts of yard work for a nice meal and all the iced tea I could drink. Sometimes I even got clothes or other 'junk'.
The caps for non-childproof are pretty darn cheap if you buy them yourself. If you go over to the DIY board they have lots of vendors. (I can't remember off the top of my head. Most vendors sell sets, but some just sell caps.)
But get your juice in standard sized bottles, buy caps and hire a college student for an afternoon to do caps, coils, even DIY. We're cheap. Heck, many of us will work for food!
"Hey, come over on Sunday afternoon, help me with .... and I'll feed you dinner." Just go to the engineering/science/math part of campus. We're usually a lot more interested in what works than what's politically correct. Especially when I was first in college, I did a lot of this sort of thing. Lawns, pruning, other sorts of yard work for a nice meal and all the iced tea I could drink. Sometimes I even got clothes or other 'junk'.
I wasn't expecting this thread to get this much response when I started it, but to answer a couple of the points brought up above:
When I started vaping my first post was asking for recommendations on equipment that would work for someone with hand problems. I got wonderful helpful responses, and based on those started with an iTaste VV v3 (well, two, since I knew I would need backup) since it is square. I have severe nerve damage - in fact the main reason that I had to quit smoking after thinking that I never would is that I could no longer hold onto a cigarette -- which adds a whole new level to the dangers of smoking. I later tried the MVP for longer battery life, but the button requires enough more pressure that I can only use it for an hour or two at a time on good days.
I originally tried a Kanger Unitank since it was top fill, but the little spring didn't work out. I can change coils (or open non-childproof caps) since that is simple twisting. There is no way I could ever build coils, and I've been known to get downright rude to the people who think that rebuilding is the only way to vape. I use clearos that I can refill using a regular flip top or dripper tip, but I always have to have a towel to catch what I spill. I am starting to DIY my liquids, but I have to use a scale and a beaker because I can't control a syringe.
I have never asked or expected that all liquids come without a child resistant cap, just that it be an option. In fact what I said in my original contact with Vaperite was "The ideal, which some suppliers offer, would be to have a choice. If there is no choice, then I will need to purchase elsewhere." I don't think that this was rude or overbearing. Part of the response was "Due to regulations we are having to make the switch to child proof caps" which was flat out untrue. When I asked which regulations they backed off. That is when I got upset. I had been buying 90% of my liquid from them, in large part because of the bottles, which were extra easy for me because they had a flip up spout.
Yes, I can ask or hire someone else to open the bottle the first time (no colleges or B&Ms within 60 miles of here though, and I can't get out and about much), at which point I have to transfer it to another container and label that container. Which of course negates all of the safety features, including warnings, strength, etc.
However, like a lot of people with limited abilities, I prefer to stay as independent as I possibly can. I don't think that it is at all unreasonable to ask for the option of a container that I can use, or for an honest response from a supplier when I ask them about a change in their product.
I didn't intend to write a book in response. I thank the people who do understand that not everyone is young and able bodied, and I would invite some of the less understanding people to consider the fact that no one stays young and able bodied forever.
Typed, as always, using a weighted stylus on a touch screen.
When I started vaping my first post was asking for recommendations on equipment that would work for someone with hand problems. I got wonderful helpful responses, and based on those started with an iTaste VV v3 (well, two, since I knew I would need backup) since it is square. I have severe nerve damage - in fact the main reason that I had to quit smoking after thinking that I never would is that I could no longer hold onto a cigarette -- which adds a whole new level to the dangers of smoking. I later tried the MVP for longer battery life, but the button requires enough more pressure that I can only use it for an hour or two at a time on good days.
I originally tried a Kanger Unitank since it was top fill, but the little spring didn't work out. I can change coils (or open non-childproof caps) since that is simple twisting. There is no way I could ever build coils, and I've been known to get downright rude to the people who think that rebuilding is the only way to vape. I use clearos that I can refill using a regular flip top or dripper tip, but I always have to have a towel to catch what I spill. I am starting to DIY my liquids, but I have to use a scale and a beaker because I can't control a syringe.
I have never asked or expected that all liquids come without a child resistant cap, just that it be an option. In fact what I said in my original contact with Vaperite was "The ideal, which some suppliers offer, would be to have a choice. If there is no choice, then I will need to purchase elsewhere." I don't think that this was rude or overbearing. Part of the response was "Due to regulations we are having to make the switch to child proof caps" which was flat out untrue. When I asked which regulations they backed off. That is when I got upset. I had been buying 90% of my liquid from them, in large part because of the bottles, which were extra easy for me because they had a flip up spout.
Yes, I can ask or hire someone else to open the bottle the first time (no colleges or B&Ms within 60 miles of here though, and I can't get out and about much), at which point I have to transfer it to another container and label that container. Which of course negates all of the safety features, including warnings, strength, etc.
However, like a lot of people with limited abilities, I prefer to stay as independent as I possibly can. I don't think that it is at all unreasonable to ask for the option of a container that I can use, or for an honest response from a supplier when I ask them about a change in their product.
I didn't intend to write a book in response. I thank the people who do understand that not everyone is young and able bodied, and I would invite some of the less understanding people to consider the fact that no one stays young and able bodied forever.
Typed, as always, using a weighted stylus on a touch screen.
No one truly gets this until it actually happens to them. I certainly never did, and then one day I realized that I had somehow become middle-aged, my body hurt in places where I hadn't even known I had places, and it wasn't ever going to get better, it would only get worse. What a rude awakening!
I suddenly understood all those little smiles the older folks would give each other, when some young thang would blurt out something thoughtless. No one truly gets it until it actually happens to them. Andria
We all aspire to stay as independent for as long as possible. I truly believe the longer a person tries, the longer they are successful.
I don't think that having the option of CP caps or NCP would break a business. If anything, as the vaping community ages, it would actually help those businesses. I can see it now...
Poster on a forum: I have arthritis, where can I get liquids that don't have those damn childproof caps?
Responder: ooooh I know a couple of vendors! Try ___ or ____. They have great customer service.
Word of mouth is a powerful thing.
Happens in all walks of life. Government thinks we are all just a bunch of idiots. I get tired of new laws and bylaws over an instant or two that happen out of stupidity. Then they punish everybody over it.
you don't like that? MOV has been sealing their bottles for quite a long time, year ago at least, and one of reasons I order from them. I know that after they make my juice it has not been tampered with.
It also keeps everything from leaking during shipping.
If you've received some of the nightmare "meltdown" packages I and others have received, you'd know what I mean. We are talking vast apologing to mail carrier, and dragging an actual bucket of soapy water down to my rural mailbox by the road. Never again. It doesn't have to happen a lot, once was enough. It was really embarassing too, since I live in a tiny community and know all my postal people as friends and neighbors.
If I *ever* receive anything like that again, I will have no problem reporting it to USPS. Vendors can lose their USPS privileges that way, and when somebody can't package liquids correctly for shipment, then perhaps they need a wake up call.
Most every carrier supplies easy to read and follow instructions for the proper shipping liquid matter......unless one is illiterate, it's not hard to follow.
You would not believe some of the packages I've received over the last 2 years.
A few times my postmaster (it's a tiny post office in one room and when you take something out of your box everyone can see. Several times both of us were just shaking our heads. (They don't know its vape-related stuff....thank goodness. )THAT SAID, I do agree about non child-proofed caps, as I have hand disabilities, however, they have to make sure the lids/bottles are designed where there will be no leakage. I have received some of those ....I don't know what you call it, but when they screw the tops on it attaches to a plastic ring and self-seals. Sort of like some milk bottles. Very good IMHO. YOu have to break the seal on these non child proof caps, so they will NOT leak until you actually give them a *twist*.
I agree on having options.
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No one truly gets this until it actually happens to them. I certainly never did, and then one day I realized that I had somehow become middle-aged, my body hurt in places where I hadn't even known I had places, and it wasn't ever going to get better, it would only get worse. What a rude awakening!
Andria
I was just watching a documentary on Levon Helm (before he died, the wonderful drummer of The Band) and a few people were saying the "nobody TELLS you these things".......
My 88 year old Mom says similar stuff all the time.
It's sort of a shame that our society is so intent on either hiding older/disabled people or somehow making them embarrassed about it. I think there are cultures in other places where that is not done as heavily as it is here, in the USA it's always been a youth-worshipping nation, perhaps because as a nation we are *young* compared to many older cultures?
Maybe somebody from europe or asia can comment.
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you don't like that? MOV has been sealing their bottles for quite a long time, year ago at least, and one of reasons I order from them. I know that after they make my juice it has not been tampered with.
It also keeps everything from leaking during shipping.
If you've received some of the nightmare "meltdown" packages I and others have received, you'd know what I mean. We are talking vast apologing to mail carrier, and dragging an actual bucket of soapy water down to my rural mailbox by the road. Never again. It doesn't have to happen a lot, once was enough. It was really embarassing too, since I live in a tiny community and know all my postal people as friends and neighbors.
If I *ever* receive anything like that again, I will have no problem reporting it to USPS. Vendors can lose their USPS privileges that way, and when somebody can't package liquids correctly for shipment, then perhaps they need a wake up call.
Most every carrier supplies easy to read and follow instructions for the proper shipping liquid matter......unless one is illiterate, it's not hard to follow.
You would not believe some of the packages I've received over the last 2 years.
THAT SAID, I do agree about non child-proofed caps, as I have hand disabilities, however, they have to make sure the lids/bottles are designed where there will be no leakage. I have received some of those ....I don't know what you call it, but when they screw the tops on it attaches to a plastic ring and self-seals. Sort of like some milk bottles. Very good IMHO. YOu have to break the seal on these non child proof caps, so they will NOT leak until you actually give them a *twist*.
I agree on having options.
Geez, I know what you mean. The mess I encountered didn't cause any external problems, but it did require clean-up using gloves, because it was 100mg nicotine.
I ordered nicotine last time from ecigexpress, and the bottle was enclosed in ONE ziplock bag --and inside that bag, that 100mg nicotine had leaked and wet the entire bottle, label, and inside of the ziplock. If that had leaked out of the ziplock, it would have been a SERIOUS danger. I'll be ordering nicotine from Wiz Labs in future, because a) their bottle didn't leak, and b) it was enclosed in THREE ziplock bags.Andria
I was just watching a documentary on Levon Helm (before he died, the wonderful drummer of The Band) and a few people were saying the "nobody TELLS you these things".......
My 88 year old Mom says similar stuff all the time.
It's sort of a shame that our society is so intent on either hiding older/disabled people or somehow making them embarrassed about it. I think there are cultures in other places where that is not done as heavily as it is here, in the USA it's always been a youth-worshipping nation, perhaps because as a nation we are *young* compared to many older cultures?
Maybe somebody from europe or asia can comment.
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It really is a shame; my mom is 99% confined to a wheelchair, and she feels *embarrassed* about going to *church* in her wheelchair. Which totally infuriates me! You'd think if there was ANYWHERE a disabled person could go and not feel embarrassed it would be church.
I think in America it may have something to do with that "live fast, die young, and leave a beautiful corpse" attitude -- no one ever *expects* to get old, thanks to rock n roll -- "hope I die before I get old!" and all that.
And the problems women experience after menopause? A total no-no to even talk about! Apparently some women are even ashamed to own up to hot flashes, which is just silly, since it's perfectly obvious when you're sweating your .... off and everyone else is freezing to death!
Andria
For people who don't - oh I don't know - actually own any children - childproof caps should be an option, not a government mandate.
Not to mention people with children who are capable both of educating them and keeping dangerous things away from them.
Actually, these pliers are ideal for this type of cap:
IRWIN Tools VISE-GRIP Original Locking Wrench with Wire Cutter (8) - Locking Jaw Pliers - Amazon.com
(Although they're a bit pricey...). The way they grip the cap doesn't chew it to pieces. You can adjust it once, so it fits the caps properly and you don't have to squeeze while turning (and it doesn't take much pressure).
EDIT: These come in different sizes. The one I showed is a size 8. I have a 7 (which would work, but is a little small) and a size 10 (which is ideal).
IRWIN Tools VISE-GRIP Original Locking Wrench with Wire Cutter (8) - Locking Jaw Pliers - Amazon.com
(Although they're a bit pricey...). The way they grip the cap doesn't chew it to pieces. You can adjust it once, so it fits the caps properly and you don't have to squeeze while turning (and it doesn't take much pressure).
EDIT: These come in different sizes. The one I showed is a size 8. I have a 7 (which would work, but is a little small) and a size 10 (which is ideal).
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