Low nic and high power VS. high nic and low power

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UncleChuck

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Sometimes in life you have those experiences that make you totally re-think what you thought you knew. My first try of the NJoy king was one of those experiences.


I have been seeing people mention them here and there, figred I'd give them a shot as I like to try new things. I wasn't expecting much at all, having gotten used to VW, rebuildable attys, tanks, etc but I was incredibly shocked when I took my first drag off a Robust NJoy King.

By far, the King has been THE most satisfying vape experience I've had to date. How the heck can this little 8 dollar thing that looks identical to a real cigarette satisfy me more than hundreds of dollars worth of high tech vaping equipment? After I killed my first King (which happens in a few hours) I tore it open, expecting some sort of new atty or carto system, looking for a reason this thing gave me such an incredibly satisfying vape.

Nope, nothing new really. Just filler material surrounding a coil with a wick in the middle. Hmm...

Then, after reading around online, I realized the juice in the Kings is around 45mg, incredibly strong by most people's standards. Yet through the Kings it's not overbearing or uncomfortable, just a good strong vape. The thing just isn't powerful enough to put out huge clouds of dense vapor. So you get sort of an airly, low vapor hit, more like a real cigarette, but with the intense nic content the experience is incredible.

I notcied that when taking a drag off the Kings, that I am getting that actual nicotine rush and/or buzz that cigarettes used to give me. Never really got that with any other vaping equipment.

So, perhaps we've got it wrong? I have been steadily decreasing my nic level (at 11mg right now) and increasing the power, thinking this was leading me to a better vaping experience. Maybe it's the other way around? Perhaps using low power equipment, which ridiculously high nic content juice is really the superior path in getting that "cig like" hit.

This is really the only thing I could think of that would account for the Kings hitting so well. The only other option that I can think of is that they are using WTA juice, or that they are adding in some chemicals to make the nic absorb faster, like amonia in real cigarettes. I really hope that is NOT the case so I'm exploring the idea of low power/high nic being the key here.

HHas anyone experimented with this? I'm planning on getting some nic base and boosting some juices up to the 45-50mg level, and them using them at like 4 watts or around there to attempt and simulate the feeling of the NJoy Kings.

Feel free to add your input, this was kind of an eye opening experience for me, and I'm hoping I can find something that will be close to the vape I get from the Kings. I'd honestly just sell all my equipment and only vape Kings, but at 8 bucks a pop, and me proboably going through 3-4 in a single day, that would be incredibly expensive.
 

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you can trade in 7 or 8 used kings for a new one, but i wouldnt really recommend it.

if youre looking to replicate the high nic low volt scanario, go with some kr8s.

for me personally, i dont think high nic low volt is the way to go. i think med-high volt with mid-high nic is the way to go. its probably the same amount of absorbtion when you think about it though. the difference is mouth absorbtion vs lung absorption. when i get a really nice mid-high nic% draw from my RBA, its felt throughout my chest. big% nic blasts from a slim cig hit me in my mouth and maybe nasal area.

i think it comes down to how you smoked your cigarette when you were a smoker. hard hitters and direct lung hitters might benefit from attys, rbas, top coils, and other more hard hittign devices. light smokers, mouth drawers, and the like might enjoy bottom coils, cartos, etc. just a thought. its hard to determine exactly because cigarettes were all the same, yet there are hundreds of vape device combinations.
 
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i dunno - i feel the nic buzz all day with my genesis atty at 18mg nic noooooo problem, it even made me go lower so i CAN chain vape the flavor without falling out lol


Just build a low Ohm coil in your RBA and use at 3.7 -4.2 same thing I think.


now thats funny im at 1.8ohms around 4.0v


i think the reason they went so high is to make sure it actually works and you keep using it (and buying carts) instead of chucking it in the trash and moving on.
 
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i dunno - i feel the nic buzz all day with my genesis atty at 18mg nic noooooo problem, it even made me go lower so i CAN chain vape the flavor without falling out lol





now thats funny im at 1.8ohms around 4.0v

Ya know ... I wondered about this. I could have SWORN I was getting more nicotine intake with my geny earlier.
 

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Ya know ... I wondered about this. I could have SWORN I was getting more nicotine intake with my geny earlier.
i saw all the talk here and went whatever sure..... then i saw pbusardo review the zatty and he said the same thing and I could see him getting loopy, then i said ok now i want to try one, the way that guy frieght trains his nova and he's getting swishy? im in.
 

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I want to try one of these. That huge nic level is how they get that weak battery to last a long time too. Its probably another step up from the likes of the Eroll, a lot of people are using higher nic juices in those. Im using 18mg in mine and i feel pretty happy with it so far, but im always interested in trying cigalikes that are lightweight. Its too bad they dont have a refillable version the 8 bucks is pretty ridiculous when im sure i could go through 1-2 a day no problem.
 

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I want to try one of these. That huge nic level is how they get that weak battery to last a long time too. Its probably another step up from the likes of the Eroll, a lot of people are using higher nic juices in those. Im using 18mg in mine and i feel pretty happy with it so far, but im always interested in trying cigalikes that are lightweight. Its too bad they dont have a refillable version the 8 bucks is pretty ridiculous when im sure i could go through 1-2 a day no problem.

just get a 808 or 510 battery and some refillable carts and DIY some 36 juice for it.
 

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I believe that disposables SHOULD be strong enough for a smoker to be satisfied enough to realize that there might be something to this vaping thing and eventually make their way here.

but at this point I'm starting to worry that they won't be able to quite replicate that first experience with readily available juice.
 

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i think it comes down to how you smoked your cigarette when you were a smoker. hard hitters and direct lung hitters might benefit from attys, rbas, top coils, and other more hard hittign devices. light smokers, mouth drawers, and the like might enjoy bottom coils, cartos, etc. just a thought. its hard to determine exactly because cigarettes were all the same, yet there are hundreds of vape device combinations.

It definitely depends on the person which setup they find the most satisfying, although the degree to which something replicates the experience of smoking (in theory) should not be subjective, but in realitiy I guess it is.


I believe that disposables SHOULD be strong enough for a smoker to be satisfied enough to realize that there might be something to this vaping thing and eventually make their way here.

but at this point I'm starting to worry that they won't be able to quite replicate that first experience with readily available juice.

I totally agree, I think that nicotine levels for devices intended for smokers or nrew vapers should be a lot higher than they currently are. A big old nic bomb would convince people to switch to vaping I'd imagine.

I share your fear about people, after trying these, looking for a non-disposable setup, and then getting upset when it doesn't give a vape experience anywhere close to a King. Being new, they might not be able to figure out the juice, voltage, and resistance combo that would get close enough to a King for their liking. Not to mention that the vast majority of Tobacco juices taste like total ..., soy sauce, or a combination of ... and soy sauce, which could really put people off.

I'll report back when I get around to trying out a high nic, low power setup. I'm trying to figure out if high rez moderate voltage, or low rez really low voltage would be better. Kind of the opposite of the whole "high voltage high rez vs low voltage low rez" argument. Hmm, maybe I'll just rip the coil out of a dead King and throw it on the Multimeter to figure out what rez coils these things are using.

If anyone else has/does try such a combo out let me know!
 
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