Low quality liquid vs high quality liquid.

[sl9]

I thought I'd post the results of some liquid "experiments" I've performed after recently becoming an e-smoker, in the hope that they may be useful to someone.

I'm using a "super-mini" RN4081; one of these: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114752/rn4081.jpg

I purchased a couple of atomizers, as I'd read that they often die after some weeks. I have 2 bottles of liquid; a Pillbox38 "Camel" 36mg and an e-cigs.co.uk generic "tobacco" 11mg.

Now every time I have loaded the e-cig with either Pillbox38's liquid alone, or in 50:50 combo with the generic liquid, everything is fine and I get an enjoyable smoke until it needs a refill. But after loading the first atomizer with ONLY the generic liquid, immediately I experienced the infamous "burning taste" which was very unpleasant! I thought this was just bad luck, so I swapped the atomizer for my brand new spare one and loaded it with Pillbox38's liquid a few times, and everything was fine. But once again, immediately after loading it with ONLY the generic liquid for the first time, I experienced that "burning taste" again!!!

The chances of that happening twice on the first load are extremely slim, so I must conclude that in all probability the cheap generic liquid is responsible for ruining my atomizers. I must also conclude that Pillbox38's "totally wicked" liquid is expensive for a very good reason - it will not quickly screw up your atomizer and it really is high quality!

Some other things I've noticed about these liquids, is that Pillbox38's liquid is slightly less "thick" in terms of consistency, and it also produces less smoke (although this may be due to the higher quantity of nicotine in the one I have). The generic liquid seems to be thicker and produces more smoke, but more smoke is not necessarily a good thing in this case!

No I'm not a shill for Pillbox38 or in any way affiliated with him or his companies. I'm just reporting what I have observed with my own eyes in the hope that it will save some of your dead atomizers...

Has anyone else seen similar results to me?

 

[PeteMcArthur]

Can't say I've found that. I use both the liquids you mention without any problems, TW is very good, but I don't consider e-cigs.co.uk to be a low quality liquid.

I've found the burning taste is usually caused by a lack of fluid on the atomiser, so the relative viscosity of the liquids may have an effect, but I seem to be lucky

 

[BettyRedondo]

I have been using e-cigs.co.uk liquid for some months now, what he sells is the same as liquid that is in his carts, as far as I know. I have had absolutely no problems with atomisers, and have been dripping the chocolate and recently the 'like smoke' he sells into my atomisers and have seen no unusual drop off in vapour at all I also have some of pillbox's liquid and have looked at the consistency and can really see no difference at all, but that is just my opinion. If you feel there is a problem with the liquid however, I would contact Smokester and let him know, I am sure he would be interested in your opinion, as he is always open to feedback from any forum member.

 

[trog100]

the "thickness" factor plays a part in this.. there must be an ideal but what it is i dont know.. its not as simple as quality being thinner and none quality being thicker..

thinner makes the trip from the car wool to the atomizer easier.. but might leak more. and have other downsides.. what is about right who knows..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Which ever UK supplier we get our liquid from your find the quality is equal to each other normally. as you will find all liquid is generic anyway. Whether a supplier puts his own label on it or brand name .does not make a supplier's liquid premium to others. As you will discover a responsible supplier samples their liquid before they sell to the public and have extensive talks to their manufacturers regarding what they expect from their liquid so certain adjustments can be made and there is a lot of bottles going backwards and forwards to China and back to the UK to perfect the liquid to that suppliers request.

Also I do personally know that one supplier. Which I shall not name. Has there liquid fully tested by the manufacturer for atomiser problems and they personally test their liquids in atomisers to try and prevent problems in the future or so they inspect many samples from various manufacturers to get the best quality and also this applies to various electronic cigarettes to as they are more versions of a 901 with manufacturers producing different quality of products and this also includes batteries to wear some manufacturers batteries are worse than others and I can personally vouch regarding different qualities of electronic cigarettes and batteries as I have received many samples from lots of different manufacturers of the same model which can differ in quality and battery time.

I always wondered what was the point of Leaford or rat keep reviewing the same products and found this to be ridiculous waste of time. But I will be the first to admit to this and now after spending thousands of dollars on samples of the same model numbers there reviews and everybody else's reviews are so valuable and important to us in saving money and being disappointed like I have been with badly made products.





So I feel this is probably just a coincidence how certain atomisers have reacted by using different liquid .
I have used both suppliers liquid in nearly every electronic cigarette on the market and they both have performed very well when using them regarding the life of a atomiser. So I feel it's wrong to suggest or blame a certain supplier regarding their liquid as I feel the problem lies with the reliability of the atomiser itself which we all know by now.


You will probably find most of these liquids are generic and produced in the same factories at the present time for various brands and suppliers with modifications made to suit each brand or supplier.

 

[dazzer1975]

You will probably find most of these liquids are generic and produced in the same factories at the present time for various brands and suppliers with modifications made to suit each brand or supplier.

I know you were referring to the op but while that isn't really in question, and while I wouldn't seek to denigrate any supplier, especially ones I have great experiences with (as I have with ecigs.co.uk), it is right and proper that pillbox is lauded for not only testing his liquids but for making those results known.

Rewarding one supplier for good practice by passing word of mouth recommendations is not the same as slagging others off necessarily.

I think it also an important part of pushing all retailers to ensure that not only they test their liquids they also disclose the results and tell us what they do about any potential problems. At least while we are relying on these Chinese manufacturers at any rate.

 

[sl9]

Don't get me wrong I'm not "blaming" a supplier, I merely posted my findings in the hope that someone may find them useful, or has had similar results.

I freely admit that my "sample size" for this experiment was pretty small, and that these "results" could have been achieved by pure bad luck...

I really do think the makeup of the liquid does matter though, and that certain ingredients and/or viscosity may determine how likely it is to damage your atomizer.
I would disagree that all liquid is the same. For heavily regulated products like most NRT and medicines then yes its true that different brands do indeed sell identical products. But e-juice can be made anywhere by anyone, and given that there are no really strong brand names in this business yet, the huge differences in price surely must indicate different compositions and quality control procedures used?

I will try the tactic of waiting a while after loading a new cartridge to allow enough time for the liquid to saturate the fibers in the atomizer. This sounds sensible and hopefully it will work...

 

[trog100]

huge differences in price surely must indicate different compositions and quality control procedures used?

the age old u get what u pay for argument.. my opinion is its more down to branding and mark up than anything else.. but thats just my view..

i doubt any of it costs that much to produce in quantity..

trog

 

[tribalmasters]

Theres no need to discuss it why? Because SMOKESTERS JUICE IS THE POWER!!! Theres nothing wrong with it, it will not block your atomiser and its delicious because I said so!!!!