Liquid Smoke for Flavoring E-Liquid [Who has a Condenser?]

[DCrist721]

I'm sure many of you have had Liquid Hickory Smoke before, even if you didn't realize it. I myself first came across it just this past week. It is made by collecting the smoke from burning hickory wood in a condenser and cooling it until it forms a liquid. It's then filtered twice and ready to use.

We've come a long way in the past couple of years as far as e-cig technology has progressed, but one thing that we're still lacking is e-liquid that tastes like an actually burning cigarette.

At first I thought that heating up e-liquid with charred tobacco and a tiny bit of ash and then filtering that out would be the answer, but now that I've learned about liquid smoke this is definitely the way to go. You need to burn some analogs in a condenser and when enough liquid has cooled and formed you'd simply filter it twice and mix it in with some unflavored e-liquid.

Now we just need someone with a condenser.

 

[AttyPops]

FFS.... that's exactly what I was trying to GET AWAY FROM. lol. Oh well. To each their own. Peace.

 

[DCrist721]

FFS.... that's exactly what I was trying to GET AWAY FROM. lol. Oh well. To each their own. Peace.

Why exactly is that, just out of curiosity? You don't vape any of the tobacco flavors? I don't either, but the reason why I don't is because I want a tobacco flavor that actually tastes real.

 

[AttyPops]

The main reason is that if I wanted all those carcinogens and other stuff, I'd just smoke an analog. Taking an analog, burning it, condensing the flavors/smoke and mixing it with PG doesn't gain me anything as far as I know. May just as well smoke it.

I have some tobacco ish flavors that I vape (usually mixed with other stuff - like caramel or vanilla) but they are made from flavoring compounds, not extract or condensates. The forum does have threads on making your own tobacco extracts, some/most without burning the tobacco 1st. I'd check the DIY section if I were looking for tobacco extracts.

No offense though dude. To each their own, as I said. Maybe you'll find a way to extract the flavor without the nasties....

Good Luck!

 

[DCrist721]

The main reason is that if I wanted all those carcinogens and other stuff, I'd just smoke an analog. Taking an analog, burning it, condensing the flavors/smoke and mixing it with PG doesn't gain me anything as far as I know. May just as well smoke it.

I have some tobacco ish flavors that I vape (usually mixed with other stuff - like caramel or vanilla) but they are made from flavoring compounds, not extract or condensates. The forum does have threads on making your own tobacco extracts, some/most without burning the tobacco 1st. I'd check the DIY section if I were looking for tobacco extracts.

No offense though dude. To each their own, as I said. Maybe you'll find a way to extract the flavor without the nasties....

Good Luck!

This method I proposed does extract the flavor without giving you the tar, hydrocarbons, and other "nasties." That's the whole point of filtering it twice because when everything cools it all turns into a solid except for the moisture from the tobacco which will then have the smoke taste. I read a long article on how it's done with hickory and filtering it takes out everything but the smoke flavored moisture, because that is a liquid and everything else solidifies when it cools. Because you wouldn't want to be putting tar and other nasty crap on your steak either.

And yeah, I know how to make tobacco extracts, but that only gives you the tobacco taste, not the smoke taste. Thanks for the suggestion though.

I think the confusion came from the fact that when I was describing the methods for the hickory and the tobacco, I only mentioned filtering the liquid with the hickory initially, and not with the tobacco method, and you probablly replied to my post before I edited it.

Peace&Love

 

[Java_Az]

Pretty sure one of the juice makers have tried this already. Also just off hand i think it would be quite costly to just burn up tobacco. Price of Tobacco compared to Hickory is quite a bit higher. If the government didnt have their hands out for every pound of tobacco wanting tax money, it might be more cost effective.

 

[meat1023]

I did the tabaco flavors for a short time when I started vaping and have found I prefer flavors far from that of the stink of an anolog but thats only my opinion

 

[PaulB]

One might call the flavoring "essence of ashtray." But, gross as it may sound to some, I have to admit the same thought has crossed my mind.

 

[Bamrz]

I did the tabaco flavors for a short time when I started vaping and have found I prefer flavors far from that of the stink of an anolog but thats only my opinion

We had a holly bush in VA with a severe whitefly problem, so I took a couple ashtrays worth of butts and soaked them in a jar of water to spray on them. OMG! The smell when I opened that jar was horrific! 8-o

I can't imagine that trying to extract the smoke flavor from burning analogs would smell any better.

 

[n2xe]

This method I proposed does extract the flavor without giving you the tar, hydrocarbons, and other "nasties." That's the whole point of filtering it twice because when everything cools it all turns into a solid except for the moisture from the tobacco which will then have the smoke taste. I read a long article on how it's done with hickory and filtering it takes out everything but the smoke flavored moisture, because that is a liquid and everything else solidifies when it cools. Because you wouldn't want to be putting tar and other nasty crap on your steak either.

And yeah, I know how to make tobacco extracts, but that only gives you the tobacco taste, not the smoke taste. Thanks for the suggestion though.

I think the confusion came from the fact that when I was describing the methods for the hickory and the tobacco, I only mentioned filtering the liquid with the hickory initially, and not with the tobacco method, and you probablly replied to my post before I edited it.

Peace&Love

Plenty of things that are perfectly fine to ingest will kill when inhaled. Proceed at your own risk...

 

[whiskey]

This^^^^^^

 

[DCrist721]

Plenty of things that are perfectly fine to ingest will kill when inhaled. Proceed at your own risk...

This^^^^^^

But the tar and other things are filtered out and not ingested or inhaled, all that's left is tobacco flavored water.

 

[AttyPops]

I think you are kidding yourself that the tars etc will be "filtered out". You're doing more than just extracting flavor, I would guess. Additionally, some of the flavor comes from the "nasties". If you actually removed them, the flavor would change. Also, most of use that have vaped for a while (and given up tobacco) agree that an analog tastes like crap. Taste is subjective, so some may still like it, or want it. I'll pass. Also, good point about the expense, Java_AZ.

One bright side, no Carbon Monoxide this way. Pre-smoke your smokes! No CO!....lol. Pass. I don't intend to pay another cent to the tobacco tax-ers. Let the tobacco companies make their money selling nicotine extract. Some may like this idea though. Could be used as a transition flavor when switching to vaping from analogs.

 

[DCrist721]

I think you are kidding yourself that the tars etc will be "filtered out". You're doing more than just extracting flavor, I would guess. Additionally, some of the flavor comes from the "nasties". If you actually removed them, the flavor would change. Also, most of use that have vaped for a while (and given up tobacco) agree that an analog tastes like crap. Taste is subjective, so some may still like it, or want it. I'll pass. Also, good point about the expense, Java_AZ.

One bright side, no Carbon Monoxide this way. Pre-smoke your smokes! No CO!....lol. Pass. I don't intend to pay another cent to the tobacco tax-ers. Let the tobacco companies make their money selling nicotine extract. Some may like this idea though. Could be used as a transition flavor when switching to vaping from analogs.

I'm not kidding myself, I'm just going by what I've read about Liquid Smoke products and what they do to remove the bad stuff.

Also, I would think that you would be right about the flavor changing after it's filtered, but the Liquid Hickory Smoke still tastes like something that's been cooked over hickory, so I assume the same would apply to tobacco that undergoes the same process.

 

[Zal42]

Although I agree with most of the commenters that the results won't be quite as carcinogen-free as you think, I don't actually know and will punt on that question. Instead, I'll tell you how to build a condenser.

It's quite easy: get some solid copper tubing from the hardware store (the type they sell for water lines) and bend it into a coil that will fit inside an insulated container, like an ice bucket. Google for the proper technique of bending copper tubing. Then you put it into the container, fill with ice, and send the vapor into the top end of the coil. It will condense in the coil and drip out the bottom end.

You can alter the effectiveness by making the whole contraption larger or by using something colder than ice, such as dry ice.

 

[n2xe]

I'm not kidding myself, I'm just going by what I've read about Liquid Smoke products and what they do to remove the bad stuff.

Also, I would think that you would be right about the flavor changing after it's filtered, but the Liquid Hickory Smoke still tastes like something that's been cooked over hickory, so I assume the same would apply to tobacco that undergoes the same process.

Combustion is the process that makes the 7000 chemicals is tobacco smoke. In the case of cigarettes, your lungs are the condenser. If you want to inhale the condensate of hickory wood, have at it. Just don't demand that I pay for your medical care.

 

[DCrist721]

Although I agree with most of the commenters that the results won't be quite as carcinogen-free as you think, I don't actually know and will punt on that question. Instead, I'll tell you how to build a condenser.

It's quite easy: get some solid copper tubing from the hardware store (the type they sell for water lines) and bend it into a coil that will fit inside an insulated container, like an ice bucket. Google for the proper technique of bending copper tubing. Then you put it into the container, fill with ice, and send the vapor into the top end of the coil. It will condense in the coil and drip out the bottom end.

You can alter the effectiveness by making the whole contraption larger or by using something colder than ice, such as dry ice.

Thanks for your help. I also appreciate you not arguing a point that you would just be speculating on, so thank you for adding something positive to the thread.

 

[AttyPops]

How about finding out what the flavor profile is (like the flavor/aroma vendors do) and not using a condenser, per say, but using a "extract" type of device like they do. It is similar to a condenser, but much more precise. It boils off specific molecules. They select the molecules they want, and leave the ones they don't. It's not simple to build, nor use, but could be purchased. I don't know much about em, but that's the general idea. The flavor vendors probably do some variation of this already.

I think one of the flavor/aroma vendors has a summary somewhere on their pages. If not, google it. A standard condenser (like the simple still noted above) will condense everything at once (may not be a good thing).

And a word of caution on the condenser... if you build your own and it is heated inside... please do some research and make sure you don't blow it up. I only say this because many moonshiners were hurt from stills that "went boom". Tobacco and moonshine are different, but IDK how you would build the thing. Maybe a pressure release valve or blow-out-plug is a good idea. Also, lead-free solder might be wise. Maybe you could just use a water .......and condense the smoke? I "still" don't suggest it tho, lol.

BTW, analysis of carcinogens in tobacco smoke is not new, nor is it speculation. This includes non-gasses ("tars" and solids) as well as the gasses. Some of the 1st studies where to paint "tar" on the backs of mice and watch them develop cancer..... tars are water soluble and condense.