Lung Cancer and E-cigs

[seminolewind]

Physicians Urge FDA To Justify Condemnation of E-Cigarettes - Lung Cancer News Today - News Media Monitoring

Ed630 asked me to post this

Welcome to ECF, ED!!

 

[cyberwolf]

Nice! I especially liked the "We urge FDA to make public the laboratory data behind the July 22 condemnation of electronic cigarettes, along with comparable data on pharmaceutical nicotine products and conventional cigarettes." comment.

 

[angjen0816]

great article, i added it to stumble

 

[Slickstick]

Very Nice!

 

[KermieD]

Nice! I especially liked the "We urge FDA to make public the laboratory data behind the July 22 condemnation of electronic cigarettes, along with comparable data on pharmaceutical nicotine products and conventional cigarettes." comment.

I actually found that part disgusting. Why? Because it took me all of 3 minutes on Google to find both the declared levels in the FDA report, those in conventional cigarettes and the levels found in NRT products. Another 10 minutes of reading and the picture became clear. Doesn't give me the warm fuzzies that the press release from the guy on our side is an expert who's too lazy to do 15 minutes of reading at his desk.

 

[geeker]

I actually found that part disgusting. Why? Because it took me all of 3 minutes on Google to find both the declared levels in the FDA report, those in conventional cigarettes and the levels found in NRT products. Another 10 minutes of reading and the picture became clear. Doesn't give me the warm fuzzies that the press release from the guy on our side is an expert who's too lazy to do 15 minutes of reading at his desk.

I think the point of saying this is to inform the public-at-large. All they know is that our vapor contains "antifreeze". Most people woudn't have more than a passing interest, and the only thing they've heard is how bad the FDA has made vaping out to be. So what is needed is a tagline, more or less, to undo the damage that's been done by erroneous release of (mis)information.

 

[LadyPamela]

Very nice. I'll mark that one for sending to a couple of people, smokers specifically, who have made comments to me about how dangerous e-cigs are.

As for urging the FDA to release that data, it's for the general public to hear it directly from the FDA. Just like the original claims, most people aren't going to research it themselves to find the truth.

 

[VaporMedia]

Very good read!

From what I have read around the web, the "anti-freeze" ingredient they found can also be found in processed junk food. So that leaves one to believe that politics are heavily involved as well as "Big tobacco" lobbyists pushing their weight around.

Surely if it looks like electronic cigarettes will stay around, all the tobacco companies will also offer a "vaping" alternative, right?

I would like the FDA to have a Camel unfiltered cigarette vs. a popular e-cig brand in an honest test, then we will see...

 

[katkin]

I actually found that part disgusting. Why? Because it took me all of 3 minutes on Google to find both the declared levels in the FDA report, those in conventional cigarettes and the levels found in NRT products. Another 10 minutes of reading and the picture became clear. Doesn't give me the warm fuzzies that the press release from the guy on our side is an expert who's too lazy to do 15 minutes of reading at his desk.

Actually, that guy on our side has probably done way more than 15 minutes reading and is demanding the FDA make public exactly what they least want the public to know.

 

[katkin]

Which is basically what geeker just said and will teach me not to hit reply without reading the whole thing first.

 

[Canute]

Actually, that guy on our side has probably done way more than 15 minutes reading and is demanding the FDA make public exactly what they least want the public to know.

Exactly! The FDA claims to exist in order to "Promote the public health". The general public is lead to believe that THEY have done the homework prior to making a recommendation on a public health issue such as the one issued on July 22nd. In other words "FDA approved" is supposed to mean something and be trustworthy. It is the FDA's flat out responsibility to withhold such public comment until such time as an informed and scientifically based assessment can be made. THAT WAS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE HERE!

And Kermie if you in fact can find actual quantitative data in the FDA test analysis, or any FDA document regarding that test analysis, other than nicotine levels (which means little) please respond to this post with the actual source. (Detected - Not detected is NOT quantitative data!)

In addition, since the issue of e-cigs is clearly one of harm reduction, where is the comparison to the leading preventable cause of death in this country in which e-cigs are designed to replace?

 

[kristin]

From what I have read around the web, the "anti-freeze" ingredient they found can also be found in processed junk food. ...

This actually wrong. Diethylene glycol (which the FDA found in one Smoking Everywhere cartridge) is NOT in junk food, as it IS poisonous. You may be thinking of propylene glycol, which is a common food additive and the base liquid of our e-liquid. It's common mistake, confusing the two.

Too bad this is yet another "fake" press release to promote an e-cig retailer. It'd be nice if GOOD stories like this came from real journalists.

 

[dwillings]

Great read! Thanks for sharing.

 

[Canute]

This actually wrong. Diethylene glycol (which the FDA found in one Smoking Everywhere cartridge) is NOT in junk food, as it IS poisonous. You may be thinking of propylene glycol, which is a common food additive and the base liquid of our e-liquid. It's common mistake, confusing the two.

Too bad this is yet another "fake" press release to promote an e-cig retailer. It'd be nice if GOOD stories like this came from real journalists.

Hey Kristin. I've been trying to make sure any information I compile is accurate and I actually thought this one was on the level since I was able to verify it from multiple sources. Are you saying the AAPHP did not issue this statement to the FDA? I actually obtained the following document and thought it was all legit but please let me know if it is in some way falsified.
http://www.aaphp.org/special/2009/20090829LtrDeyton.pdf

Incidentally I think people get confused on the whole diethylene glycol/propylene glycol thing because the FDA quoted diethylene glycol as a "component found in antifreeze" while propylene glycol actually is an antifreeze in and of itself. Specifically used in drinkable water sources (such as RV water tanks) and for deicing aircraft. (As well as countless food and other products and is fully FDA approved)

One of MANY examples of use: RV Antifreeze, Drinkable Antifreeze for RV, RV Antifreeze PVC, RV Water Line Antifreeze Propylene Glycol, Spas and RV Type Antifreeze, Wholesale RV Antifreeze

I did however find it interesting that diethylene glycol is not only still found in cigarettes in trace amounts but was once specifically added to tobacco as a humectant (to keep it moist). It is also used in both plastics and glues leading me to question if the one sample may have contained DEG not from the e-liquid itself but from the glue used to hold the filler or the plastic cartridge itself! On a side note I in NO way dispute that DEG is a poison anymore than I would dispute the countless poisons currently in cigarette ingredients!
Source: (which then led me to many others)Diethylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While this is an old document it further reiterates the fact that DEG was once an intentional ingredient in tobacco:
http://tobaccodocuments.org/guildford_misc/100661284-1287.html

 

[idoesmoking]

First of all I must admit I have not vaped yet (mine own piece is on the way).Next thing is that I am a heavy smoker.After that I have to mention I have asthma and I take regular steroid + bronchodilator inhalers.Noteworthy to mention I want to quit for several causes after 7 years of smoking.Last thing I am a bit hesitant to say, is that I am doctor (Surgeon).
Then, you will say why I am going to choose a e-cig(or whatever it named) as a method of quiting cig? Mind that, I am writing this very conciously as a common man, a smoker, not with the view of a doctor,so, dont take this writing as a special recommendation. from a doctor or something like that.
There are several ways of quiting cig, but I think e-cig is a "cool" way to simulate the smoking habbit,so my reflex will not suffer (like holding a cig) but I will gradually decrease the ammount of nicotine in a sloooowww way.This is my view thats why I am going to take a e-cig in my hand.

 

[idoesmoking]

One thing I have noticed in many posts, people are saying they "are feeling better than before".Its a very serious question for me as a doctor.Is it for the fact that they are going to be nicotine free and now tar free

OR

Is it an effect of inhaling some "mood elevating substance" in trace ammount ?

Support to my second idea is that, peoples are saying they are having problem with their sleep,their B.P. has reduced than previous values (apparently good)...I have to use to see it...what it feels...

 

[idoesmoking]

And if the fluid contain Ethylene Glycol, it can alter your mood...
(thats why addicted peoples sniff glue or what ever they get,one of the major culprit for that kick is Ethylene Glycol,ingesting it is very very bad,its not an uncommon poison,it tastes sweet,so toddlers often ingest it from different automobile and household fluid and their parents does not know what they have done,often the child came with fever,unconsciousness making the diagnosis very difficult without any history of ingestion of some fluid and the ONLY blood abnormality is in anion gap,which may be similar in other clinical conditions too)

I have to vape it to notice my mood change...just waiting for it...

 

[mwahle1]

After 25 years of smoking 3-4.5 packs of cigarettes a day. For the first time in my life I have been able to quit smoking for more than a day. Today is 10 days with no cigarettes and I feel MUCH BETTER. My sense of smell has considerably increased and my sense of taste is slowly getting stronger. Most of all, my lungs feel drastically better. I have not coughed in days. I am still addicted to nicotine; therefore this improvement is completely due to not inhaling smoke from combustion (cigarettes).

 

[mwahle1]

The only mood change I see is being ecstatic because every night ends another smoke free day.

 

[idoesmoking]

If its E.G. , then you can say the manufactures have done that by ignorance but if they have added something its a malpractice.
Unfortunately,its very difficult to identify these chemicals in very trace amount by the instruments/techniques currently available to me.
Can anyone tell me is there any "glued" part around the heating elements? (glue often contain E.G.)