Magnetic switch for bottom fore mod

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Ok so, i have this mod that i got in a co-op. The mod is more or less the LavaFire. I really dislike the spring inside as its rather tough. Plus, magnets are so much cooler. I have one neodyium(spell check?) magnet and more on the way. The magnet sticks to the battery no problem.

The switch on the other hand, is made of, i believe a sort of stainless.
It will stick but, not real good. Ive thought of gluing the second magnet to the white insulator disk.

Another thought that just popped into my head is, if i can find a machine screw small enough to fit in the inside threaded portion, then shave the threaded stem on the switch down a little bit to make uo for the difference so i can still "lock" the device...... Anyone have any input on what to do?


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The setup as a whole. LavaFire 18350. The 18650 is just an extention.


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The idea. The wbite disk here actually sits down on the base with about 1/4" of metal for the disk for the contact.


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Next to the battery. Magnet is 1/2x1/8 or 1/16. Not sure.



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I'm a bit confused with how you intend to assemble this, but if you want to replace the spring with magnets, it makes sense to use two ring magnets opposing each other exactly where the spring was. The hole had to clear the post and the OD has to fit inside the housing. Just guessing from pics without measuring, 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/16 just might work for you. I got some from Ebay and from k&j magnetics.
 

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Buzz killa, ill take a pic after work. Basically, the last pic shows the disk on the switch assembly. the upper most groove is where the spring attaches to. when you "unscrew" the switch tpo unlock it...... the part you press switch, it pushes the center part and makes contact with the battery. hope that makes sense? either way ill put pics up after work.

asdaq, didnt think about ring style. smallest ring type ive seen is like a half dollar size. the only issue i have is that the metal the switch is made out of isnt really magnettic. the neo is attracted to it but not real strong like.
 
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Home Depot has some 3/8" x 1/8" x 1/16", if they will fit. Your post looks sorta thick. Amazon has the same ones too. They stay in place as the post goes through the hole in the middle and it doesn't matter if they are attracted to the battery or the button, slightly matters that they don't stick to the post though.

Here's the HD magnets:

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Amazon seems to be out.
 
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I would go as thick as the switch allows...

The thicker the stronger, right?
but you wouldn't want to go too thick, as to not limit the switches functionality(throw).

Or you can get more than two thinner magnets, and stack them up, to be able to adjust a desirable pressure.

I would opt for 5 or so thin magnets, because if the magnets are too strong, you dont want to have to awkwardly fire the mod with both hands every time... lol

Aim for single hand use, but strong enough to not accidentally fire.
 

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These are N42 strength, smaller ones are N35. Multiple mags are one way to control the strength, but how close they are positioned is even easier (and cheaper). The closer they are the more they repel so the more force needed and as they are not the contacts themselves, they never actually have to touch. Most of mine I keep at a very light action, just to lift the button. With a bottom button you could keep it light if you close the safety ring before setting it down.
 

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looks to me like im going to the Depot tonight. thanks for that pic. what would you recommend that i do to amek the magnet stay in place on the "nub" of the switch? i fear that it might slide over a bit and hit the other magnet as it tries to flip over. or, are these washer type magnets?
 
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Ok so, picked up the super magnets from the depot. Found out that my travel distance is about the width of the # 18 on a grey jacket 18650. two magnets give me just enough space to keep them apart. Small issue I have now is that the metal the "switch" second isn't very attracted to magnets. So, I can't get a disk to sit still without flipping over to mate with the opposing magnet. Broke the first one doing this. Lol. Then I got the ""bright"" idea to superglue one to the white disk. Realizing that wouldn't work immediatly, scrapped that idea. Decided I needed something small enough to fit in the hole to hold the magnet. A BB is perfect. Superglue came into play once again. The magnet is still more attracted to the other magnet. Lol. IDEAS??
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Houston, we have a problem. That is one wierd mod, from design and use. From here we can see that that spring is more of a hot spring than a switch return spring, mainly there to keep the battery in contact with the positive post. The pics won't copy well so here is the whole page:

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Your pics show just the one spring, and I thought it came out of the inside of the switch housing, rather than sit on the top of switch housing, especially the plastic part. I watched a whole 6:30 of the promo video, waiting to see the firing of the switch which the hot model never did...at least you get to hear the smoothness of those threads several times.

This part of the description bothers me:

The button can be screwed in and unscrewed out. After unscrew out, you can slip the button up and down, slip up to touch battery and get electricity, then you can inhale and vaporize; Slip down to stop vaporizing for seconds. When you need to stop vaporizing for long time, please remember to screw button in, then this button can not be slipped up and down, you don’t get fired any more, it is safe to put your LavaFire at anywhere.

I'm all for not getting fired anymore, but 'slip'?!?!? Not 'press' indicating some resistance for your efforts? I suppose the weight of the button itself (hailed as a sign of the high quality of materials used several times, which by the way is plated copper, yet a magnet lightly attracts to the alloy chosen) will successfully return the switch to the non-firing position, each and every time, arcing and corrosion be damned.

Now I understand much more precisely why you dislike this spring. Bzmoto, I assumed the action was too stiff, as do many others with switch springs. But yours just isn't doing anything at all switch related, so what is to like? If it were me, I would move this spring to the other end of the battery tube (with the batteries positive facing down) so it's compression is away from other moving parts. Unfortunately the nub on the other end probably won't hold it in place, this we can call a design feature. You need the plastic spacer for the switch anyway so just leave it where it is.

Back to the button. You've got it apart in the pics, but it is in the background and hard to make out with respect to details. I hope it is something threaded like a chicago screw, and the part it threads into has something to keep it from turning so that you consistently can open and close the safety without it just spinning. The post on the button is where the magnets go, and the post keeps them from flipping over. I hope the post fits the 1/8" hole, otherwise you will need some different mags. It may take some adjusting to get it right, maybe some plastic washers to get the distance right (cheaper than mags) and possibly shortening the spring. Sure you will see the mags in the switch now, but you can't see gravity. :)

I hope this helps, please let me know if I'm completely off about something.
 

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Houston, we have a problem. That is one weird mod, from design and use. From here we can see that that spring is more of a hot spring than a switch return spring, mainly there to keep the battery in contact with the positive post.
Seems very similar to the Smok telescope.

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The Smok adds an insulator ring, this one looks like it relies on the cell's shrink wrap to keep it 'off'. Probably not a good idea.

I don't know how much 'hot switching' either would do as the springs aren't really part of the circuit.

The design seems sound as any length cell would be accommodated (for example an 18650 @ 65-70mm) with a nice spring loaded, constant tension on the positive post of the cap. But as you said not magnet friendly.
 
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