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best get myself together then!

this this like a Q&A, or do I have to write a speech?

A speech. Plan for 3 minutes.

Also make an alternate speech that is 1/2 about your experience with e-cigarettes and 1/2 about your opposition to taxing smoke-free products like smokeless tobacco and dissolveable tobacco the same as e-cigarettes. It is possible that an amendment will be offered to exempt e-cigarettes from the tax. If that happens, you don't want to just not speak, especially since this bill would be harmful to other THR alternatives.
 

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Since HP 950 doesn't mention or define e-cigarettes, its quite possible that some/most/many/all of the bill's sponsors aren't aware the bill would tax e-cigarettes.

Had the sponsor(s) intended for the bill to apply to e-cigarettes, they would have created another category for e-cigarettes, and would have included "e-cigarettes" in the definition of "tobacco products".

But the bill's proposed change in the definition of "tobacco product" (which is the same as the FSPTCA's definition) would clearly apply to tax to all types of e-cigarettes products.
"products containing, made or derived from tobacco that are intended for human consumption by any means, or any components, parts or accessories of tobacco products, including, but not limited to"


The current tobacco tax rates in Maine are as follows:
Cigarettes - $2/pack
Smokeless Tobacco - $2.02/ounce
Cigars - 20% of wholesale price
Pipe Tobacco - 20% of wholesale price

HP 950's proposed new tax rates are extremely confusing (and I've worked on tax legislation for 22 years), as it is unclear if some of the new tax rates (e.g. for e-cigarettes, most smokeless tobacco products & premium cigars) would be taxed ad valorem (i.e. % of wholesale price) and if their tax rate will be based upon the actual cigarette tax rate (i.e. $2/pack) or its equivalent ad valorem rate.

2-A. Other tobacco. Beginning October 1, 2013, a tax is imposed on tobacco products at a tax rate based on the wholesale sales price of the tobacco products that is equivalent to the rate of tax imposed on a pack of 20 cigarettes in chapter 703 expressed as a percentage of the average wholesale sales price of a pack of 20 cigarettes as determined by the State Tax Assessor or, if the following rate is higher, at the following rate:
A. On cigars with a retail price of less than $2.50 per cigar, the amount of the total tax on a pack of 20 cigarettes established by chapter 703 per package of 4 cigars, with a proportionate tax for any package or quantity of cigars consisting of fewer or more than 4 cigars;
B. On loose tobacco, the amount of the total tax on a pack of 20 cigarettes established by chapter 703 per 0.65 ounces;
C. On little cigars, the amount of the total tax per cigarette established by chapter 703 per little cigar; and
D. On single-unit tobacco products, the amount of the total tax per cigarette established by chapter 703 per single-dose or single-use unit of the single-unit tobacco product.

It appears that HP 950 would establish the following tax rates:
Large Cigars under $2.50 - 25% (i.e. $.50) of the tax on a cigarette pack
Loose Tobacco (i.e. pipe tobacco and perhaps RYO) - $2/.65 ounces = $3/ounce
Little Cigars - $.10/cigar = $2/pack (same as cigarettes)
Single Unit Product - $.10/unit

But its unclear exactly what the new tax rates would be (or how they'd be determined) for e-cigarette products, most smokeless tobacco products (i.e. those not sold in single units) and Premium Cigars (those costing over $2.50).

I strongly suspect RJ Reynolds, Philip Morris and Lorillard are opposing HP 950 (because of the tax on e-cigs and tax hikes on single unit snus, snuff and dissolvables).

We need to either kill the bill, or get an amendment offered to exempt e-cigarettes from the definition of tobacco products.

An effective argument to make against the bill is that it will shift e-cigarette sales in Maine from brick-and-mortar retailers in the state to out-of-state vendors who sell over the Internet (who wouldn't be subject to the tax, and who are outside the reach of Maine Revenuers).
 

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Rep. Rochelo has led me to believe that she will be offering an amendment to ensure that e-cigarettes are not impacted, but I haven't heard back from her as to what her actual solution will be.

Maine law does not currently ban e-cigarette sales to minors, so exempting e-cigs will require that a new definition of 'e-cigarette' or 'vapor product' be offered. I'm going to try and follow up with her today.
 

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whatever I can do with emails or phone calls, let me know. I'm gathering others that use e-cigs to be aware or write up their own experiences. I have faith that vaporizers won't be included in this, and will do what I can to help that.


edit : there are currently NO full-service B&Ms in Maine. I would love to be the first/one of the first to open if I had the means.
 
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whatever I can do with emails or phone calls, let me know. I'm gathering others that use e-cigs to be aware or write up their own experiences. I have faith that vaporizers won't be included in this, and will do what I can to help that.


edit : there are currently NO full-service B&Ms in Maine. I would love to be the first/one of the first to open if I had the means.

Call each of them tomorrow -- leave a message if they don't answer.
 

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My brother is a former Maine Representative- he's friends with the chair of the taxation committee (as well as several of the bill's co-sponsors) and has put a call into him to find out details about the bill. He suspects they aren't aware that the bill bans e-cigs.
BTW, there is a wonderful smoke shop in Bangor that stocks a great deal of e-cig accessories- the owner and his wife both vape. They sell other tobacco products, but I think a huge part of their business is in vaporizers...
I do think that "little cigars" are exploiting a loophole in the tax code- and while I don't see underage kids I work with rolling their own, they do use "little cigars" when they can, because of the price...
 

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From an update I posted on Facebook:

Rep. Megan Rochelo, the sponsor, told me that she would be seeking out a way to ensure that e-cigs wouldn't be taxed under her bill. I sent her an amendment that would accomplish that. Maine isn't exactly known for its cutthroat politics, so I believe her.

The hearing began at 10 AM and I didn't think to tune in until 11 am. I heard something about an amendment that had already been offered. One of the reps asked a woman from the American Heart Association if the bill would tax vapor products (he may have said 'vapor things'), and she said, 'Not as amended' or something to that extent.

I suspect neither the tobacco tax equalization bill nor the cigarette moved through the committee, but I may be wrong. I'll update when I hear something.

Update: Public health advocates push for higher tobacco taxes in Maine — State — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

No mention of e-cigs, but it does note that the committee has yet to schedule work sessions on either bill, so no movement was made on the bill.
 

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Maine Facts & Statistics - Smoking Health Effects, Secondhand Smoke, Tobacco Sales - Partnership For A Tobacco-Free Maine

what I don't understand is why are they trying to add another tax to tobacco products to "protect youth" when in their own statistics, they clearly state that youth get their tobacco by taking/borrowing/stealing from friends, family, etc.. a tax isn't going to stop that. seems the second-hand smoke for youth is much more of a health issue. education for adults and youth is a more pressing issue.

if this proposed tax is to level the tax base on all tobacco products including little cigars and whatnot, then they should just say so.
 
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