Major victory in CA
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Had to share the good news with FB. Hopefully some people who didn't care gained some knowledge from my perspective on the matter:
"My summary: The senator balked on his proposal when it was shredded on the floor, under the innocent guise of removing the proposal "on behalf of the next generation of Californians who will become addicted to nicotine as a result of your vote". All the while ignoring even the CDC's assessment that was based around data that showed teen e-cigarette use going up at the same time teen smoking use began substantially declining. The non-biased CDC publication entitled " E-cigarette Use Triples Among Middle and High School Students in just One Year" can be found here:
http://www.cdc. gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use.html
The rest of the data, in a more visually and technologically advanced chart form, can be found here (a 42% reduction in the number of teen smokers in 4 years):
E-Cigarette Use Among Teens Tripled in 2014 - Bloomberg Business "
"My summary: The senator balked on his proposal when it was shredded on the floor, under the innocent guise of removing the proposal "on behalf of the next generation of Californians who will become addicted to nicotine as a result of your vote". All the while ignoring even the CDC's assessment that was based around data that showed teen e-cigarette use going up at the same time teen smoking use began substantially declining. The non-biased CDC publication entitled " E-cigarette Use Triples Among Middle and High School Students in just One Year" can be found here:
http://www.cdc. gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use.html
The rest of the data, in a more visually and technologically advanced chart form, can be found here (a 42% reduction in the number of teen smokers in 4 years):
E-Cigarette Use Among Teens Tripled in 2014 - Bloomberg Business "
OMG!!!!!!! Could this be the first of the ANTZ, FDA, CDC, et. al, 'house of cards' beginning to crumble!!!!?
I'm hopeful..OMG!!!!!!! Could this be the first of the ANTZ, FDA, CDC, et. al, 'house of cards' beginning to crumble!!!!?
OMG!!!!!!! Could this be the first of the ANTZ, FDA, CDC, et. al, 'house of cards' beginning to crumble!!!!?
Let me ask you this. Have you ever seen a school tax levy (could be any local tax) be defeated in say, November, where they didn't come back with the same tax in February, May, August or the next November? Or each of those months where they were defeated even 4 times in a row, but still come back? I have - many times. And many times when the tax is passed it becomes retroactive back to the first of January.
Now... have you ever seen a citizen's group, once a tax is passed, go on the ballot in the same manner as above and have the tax repealed? I have - once. And the school board came right back with another levy to 'adjust' for that loss as well.
These types don't 'stop'. They reorganize, and start over the minute any ground is lost and start working on the next campaign. For one, most of them have the time to do so where their opponents don't always have that convenience.
Their (ANTZ) 2009 loss is a good example - didn't take long for them to include ecigs in the deeming.
I'll take this win, but I'm not 'celebrating' as if it's over. It isn't.
It's the same on this side of the pond.
In a month of October, there was an attempt to medicalize the e-cigarette in Europe. That would have meant a de-facto ban. Fortunately, our *elected* representatives rejected that proposal.
On the next January, *un-elected* Comission bureucrats started scheming and plotting - behind closed doors, as if the *people* had no right to know what was happening - to classify e-cigarettes as "tobacco products" in order to include them in the new European tobacco Products Directive.
The result? The new TPD is harsher with e-cigarettes, than with tobacco itself !!
And don't think you're safe even if you use non-nicotine liquids: an e-cigarette (a "tobacco product" now) is defined as "a device *capable* of vaporizing liquids containing nicotine".
It can get to the point where you may be able to order non-nicotine liquid online and cross-border - but not a device made of steel, delrin and copper, and NOT "tobacco". Because a "tobacco product" is a restricted consumer product.
At the same time, a thirteen-year-old kid in Portugal will still be able to order a PIPE from the UK Amazon, with his pre-paid card, to offer his daddy in father's day. Because a pipe, a ligher, or a box of RYO paper are NOT considered "tobacco products".
Hardware that is used to smoke tobacco are not tobacco products. There's no "tobacco" in a wooden pipe.
Hardware that is used to keep people *away* from tobacco are now "tobacco products"
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This was reported on the local news as "tempting the children with flavors so we should ban it" line. It is sad but Kent is correct, these people have nothing to do but collect their taxpayer salary and spend that time figuring out where to most profitably sell their vote. Until vaping somehow begins to fund them they will keep coming back until they have squeezed every dime they can from it public health be damned as it isnt even in the discussion.
I think the statistics just need to get out there. Public education is key and I know that's not really simple, but the demystification of e-cigs are vital to weakening the politicians.
I think a lot of the responsibility is on the liquid makers and is somewhat lost when they stop the ingredient list on the bottles with "natural and artificial flavoring". It's hard to fully know anything when the description stops there.
Personally, flavorings are still a bit of a mystery to me since I don't know the ingredients of "artificial flavoring" and so remains a concern of mine, albeit a small one considering I still feel much better about it than smoking. (Also I still vape flavors)
I think we would be in a slightly better position had liquid makers been more transparent (or perhaps knowledgable) about what exactly is in flavorings.
Hate to sound cynical, but this is THE definition of 'professional politicians', no? This is exactly what they DO, the endless dreaming up of ways to extract funds from taxpayers.
Excellent commentary by Dick Puddlecote
An Outbreak Of Common Sense In California, No Really! | Dick Puddlecote
An Outbreak Of Common Sense In California, No Really! | Dick Puddlecote
It's the same on this side of the pond.
In a month of October, there was an attempt to medicalize the e-cigarette in Europe. That would have meant a de-facto ban. Fortunately, our *elected* representatives rejected that proposal.
On the next January, *un-elected* Comission bureucrats started scheming and plotting - behind closed doors, as if the *people* had no right to know what was happening - to classify e-cigarettes as "tobacco products" in order to include them in the new European Tobacco Products Directive.
The result? The new TPD is harsher with e-cigarettes, than with tobacco itself !!
And don't think you're safe even if you use non-nicotine liquids: an e-cigarette (a "tobacco product" now) is defined as "a device *capable* of vaporizing liquids containing nicotine".
It can get to the point where you may be able to order non-nicotine liquid online and cross-border - but not a device made of steel, delrin and copper, and NOT "tobacco". Because a "tobacco product" is a restricted consumer product.
At the same time, a thirteen-year-old kid in Portugal will still be able to order a PIPE from the UK Amazon, with his pre-paid card, to offer his daddy in father's day. Because a pipe, a ligher, or a box of RYO paper are NOT considered "tobacco products".
Hardware that is used to smoke tobacco are not tobacco products. There's no "tobacco" in a wooden pipe.
Hardware that is used to keep people *away* from tobacco are now "tobacco products"
<insert the most vile filthy offensive expletive imaginable>
It's more about the idea that we "won" something - with the opposition, it's just a temporary setback, that will be handled subsequently. It cold be a tax, regulation, new socialist legislation.....
That was fun to read. I read somewhere that the California House has more centrist Democrats and the Senate more liberal. The House is probably the best place to fight to stop ant-vaping legislation, 'cause once passes there, it'll probably have an easier time in the senate and Governor's hands.
From the article:
WAYTA GO!
At the same time, a thirteen-year-old kid in Portugal will still be able to order a PIPE from the UK Amazon, with his pre-paid card, to offer his daddy in father's day. Because a pipe, a ligher, or a box of RYO paper are NOT considered "tobacco products".
Hardware that is used to smoke tobacco are not tobacco products. There's no "tobacco" in a wooden pipe.
Hardware that is used to keep people *away* from tobacco are now "tobacco products"
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Usually what happens in Michigan, is that 90 days after the voters reject the millage increase, the assessment value of the property gets raised
Yeah, politics is a sticky game but people have overturned injustices in the past. It's always going to be a balancing act but we can at least use our voices to make it an uncomfortable ride for the corrupt.
If we don't, who will?
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