Making 0mg e-liquid

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FPLOVER7

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Hey everyone,
I want to venture into mixing in the near future. I am wanting to make some intense, sweet flavours and to keep the cost down. Am I right in thinking that an ideal mix would be:

45ml PG
45ml VG
Few drops of concentrate (i.e. Capella)
Few drops of ethyl maltol for sweetness

Does anyone who makes their own 0mg liquid use a different method?
 

Spazmelda

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I would recommend starting with a much much lower total volume! Try 2 ml of pg and 2 ml VG, then a couple of drops of flavor. Are you wanting to use tobacco flavors or others? I know that tobacco flavors can be very concentrated, but most of the flavors I use require much more than a couple of drops/90 ml to produce a decent flavor in the liquid. Maybe Capella flavors are super concentrated? I don't use them, but what you have listed there doesn't seem like nearly enough, unless maybe they are tobacco flavors.

I recommend starting with smaller volumes so that you don't end up with a giant bottle of something you don't like.
 

twgbonehead

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I try a mix first in a clearo. You can pre-mix the PG and VG in your favorite concentration (why not).

Put in about a ML of base liquid (PG/VG) and add a bit of flavor. Add the flavoring using a small syringe (i.e. a 1ml syringe).

Add some flavoring, shake-and-roll to mix, try it. Add more, bit by bit until you figure out where the "taste-point" is (i.e. where you're getting the right strength, not necessarily the perfect taste). This will give you a rough starting point.

It's rough only because you will have reduced your original 1ml of base by the amount you vaped off, but it will give you a pretty good idea of where to start without going through lots of bad batches.

Once you have this ratio down, mix up 5-10ml, and then start adding "extras". Be aware that ethyl maltol is NOT particularly a sweetener. Splenda is better for sweet.

Do the extras the same way; start with a clearo of flavored base, and add in a bit of the extras. Sweetener, 1% saline, everclear/vodka,
etc.

This method isn't perfect; the liquid is un-steeped, and you need to mix it pretty well (and the wick will absorb what you add first, so you have to vape through that). But it will give you a great feeling of how the flavors work, and how the extras modify the taste. Since you're doing 0mg, you can tweak later batches by adding a bit more base, a bit more flavoring, etc. without worrying about how it affects the nic concentration.

It's the same way chefs learn to make sauces; taste it all the time. Pretty soon you can predict how a particular ingredient will work, and what's missing from a particular mix.
 

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I'd like to get to 0 nic, but below 8mg the throat hit just goes away. I'm not a big throat hit fan at all, but when I inhale and it feels like just air, I'm disappointed.

I agree with the small mix volumes until you decide on the ultimate mix. I have a few 3ml sample bottles around that I saved through the years and I use those for test mixes (and for refills when I'm out and about).

I mix in a tank frequently. The only problem there is that it takes time for the ingredients to mix thoroughly and you can tell by holding the tank up to the light that the mix is streaky and hasn't fully merged. It usually takes 15 to 30 minutes for the mix to become clear and without that streaky look. Some people cap up a bottle and use an ultrasonic cleaner to mix it quickly.
 
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3mg Meniere

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I use the restaurant packet of sweetener-- the pink one. Put it in a 3ml bottle, add pg. It won't all dissolve, but when ever you use it, add more pg and stir with a toothpick or kebab skewer.

I mix 25 ml vg, 25 ml pg, and 3.5 ml 48 mg for my base. I put 10 ml in a 15 ml bottle, add one ml flavoring, and tweak from there. At no nic or very low nic levels, I can toss what I don't like.

I recently used 10 ml base, .5 ml (all TFA) bittersweet chocolate, .5 ml pecan, .5 ml vanilla, and ten drops my sweetener. After a short steep, and chain vaping most of that, I made a 20 ml bottle which is undergoing a long steep.
 
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