making your own juice for prodigy

[DjTravTrav]

how do you make your own juice?

second, should i make it a certain way for 5v's for the prodigy?

appreciate the help!

lookin for more flavorful flavors heh... really want to try a much stronger menthol... so i thought to make my own.

 

[Mr_Slippery]

First, Thank you for your service.

Next, From the DIY Liquid thread: Tons of recipes/experiments in there.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/20590-menthol-drops-recipe-menthol-lovers.html

It's pretty easy to make No Nic DIY Liquid, you need PG (from local Pharmacy) or VG from the Hobby Stores (Michaels), and some flavorings, like Loranne's.

You can dissolve menthol crystals in some everclear and add it to your juice, or just buy menthol drops. Just read the recipe in the link provided

If you want DIY juice with nicotine, I suggest getting the 36mg Unflavored (or the highest nic you can find) from Puresmoker or other Online E-juice Vendors.


Not sure about the whole, "Made for 5v" thing. I think it's just marketing.

 

[Father Luke]

For what it's worth, menthol crystals dissolve nicely
in propylene glycol just dandy without any alcohol.

And this might help:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/20590-menthol-drops-recipe-menthol-lovers.html

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Okay,
Father Luke

 

[Curtis]

Here you go. This should be a good place to start. You shouldn't need any special liquid for the Prodigy.

DIY e-liquid - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat

 

[Walrus]

I'd think that "made for 5v" liquids are more than marketing. Really depends on what they've done. One thing that would 'make it' for 5v would be bolder flavor, so that it doesn't get lost at higher voltage. You could do that yourself, by adding a larger percentage of flavoring to your mixes.

 

[Yirabeth]

Just for a quick menthol recipe, I use 10% menthol drops (60/40 crushed menthol crystal/vodka) 20% Vegetable glycerin, 70% propylene glycol/nic fluid. My current strength is 10.8 mg/ml. To make 100 ml of the above, I'd use 30 ml. 36mg nic fluid, 40 ml pg, 20 ml vg, and 10 ml menthol juice. Quite a strong menthol, though, so you may wish to start with 5ml and work your way up. (Or use the lesser strength recipe linked in a post above.) Also quite a LOT of vapor so if you want less obvious replace some of the vg with pg.

I also like to use a sweet'ish flavor as a base to change the taste of the menthol a bit. Watermelon is a favorite.

~Yira

 

[Father Luke]

Yeah. I like making my own blueberry menthol. And I just ordered some of Walrus's
zero-nic Glacial Raspberry (Menthol)

Everyone likes someone else's cooking from time to time...

 

[DjTravTrav]

i like to know how much menthol cash uses in his stuff... reason being i want something stronger, his stuff is good but i need a bigger kick

if i knew how much he used and what not i would know where my tolerance is at and what to improve on... guess i will just experiment with it myself... thanks for the help guys!

im sketchy about that 5v stuff too but i thought there might be some realism to it... i guess its more flavor =]

 

[Mr_Slippery]

I'd think that "made for 5v" liquids are more than marketing. Really depends on what they've done. One thing that would 'make it' for 5v would be bolder flavor, so that it doesn't get lost at higher voltage. You could do that yourself, by adding a larger percentage of flavoring to your mixes.

Ahh! Excellent point. Higher volts does decrease the flavor a bit.

 

[nevergonnaleavetn]

Or you could just add some menthol drops from Juicy Liquid to Steve's juice and get the best of both worlds

 

[Flitzanu]

I'd think that "made for 5v" liquids are more than marketing. Really depends on what they've done. One thing that would 'make it' for 5v would be bolder flavor, so that it doesn't get lost at higher voltage. You could do that yourself, by adding a larger percentage of flavoring to your mixes.

ok you confuse me walrus. do you not get bolder flavor at 5v? just my experience (mixed at 20%) that most flavors are more embellished at 5v than standard 3.7v.

or is it that specific flavors lose potency? you're the mix-pert, just wondering about your take

 

[Scaralouche]

yeah i too keep reading conflicting opinions here about 5v. do you or do you not lose flavor? im ordering my 510 prodigy this week, and it would be nice to know.

 

[fjames]

yeah I too keep reading conflicting opinions here about 5v. do you or do you not lose flavor? im ordering my 510 prodigy this week, and it would be nice to know.

Everything is better at 5V.

I was looking at a site selling the 5V juice, and I couldn't help noticing that the nic was half the regular stuff. Like it was just diluted regular stuff. Could be it was addressing the perception of more "active" nic at 5V (don't know the science of it or if there is any) but a fine and dandy way to increase profit if you can dilute regular juice 100% and sell it for the same price.

 

[Cayman]

This is interesting as I was under the impression that people were lowring their nic levels because they were getting such a nit of vapor with the Prodigy compared to their other e-cigs. I had also heard the same thing on flavors too. Maybe everyone has a different experience with this.

 

[Walrus]

IHMO, while the vapor and throat hit are bigger, the flavor suffers at higher voltage. For instance, at 6v+ it's practically non-existent. 5v is a good balance of flavor vs performance, but I think there is still a loss.

 

[Walrus]

Everything is better at 5V.

I was looking at a site selling the 5V juice, and I couldn't help noticing that the nic was half the regular stuff. Like it was just diluted regular stuff. Could be it was addressing the perception of more "active" nic at 5V (don't know the science of it or if there is any) but a fine and dandy way to increase profit if you can dilute regular juice 100% and sell it for the same price.

More likely that if additional flavoring is added, there is less room for nic liquid, so the overall strength is lower.

 

[StratOvation]

ALERT!!!! The following reply is wordy and boring!!!

I remember a couple big differences when I first tried 5V's was the dramatic increase in flavor from my Juices and the elevated temp of the vapor. I also noted more volume of vapor and somewhat more Throat Hit.

As far as the "Science" goes, there are many variables involved which may explain the wide range of comments regarding increase/decrease of flavor... The one variable that seems to have the greatest potential to affect the "Flavor Experience" is the endless list of differing Extracts, Oils and Concentrates used to formulate the flavors.
All of these ingredients possess thier own distinct chemical properties such as boiling points, viscosity, density and thermal degredation and will react differently to the higher coil temps seen at 5V's.

For example, If your Apple flavor concentrate has a BP of 105C, a density of 1.1 and a degredation temp of 300C You will see a marked increase in flavor at 5V because... 1. the coil reaches the BP quicker and maintains that temp longer. 2. With a moderate density, the intact molecule is readily carried to your mouth via the glycol based vapor droplets. 3. With a very high degredation temp the flavor molecule remains intact vs. being broken apart or converted into something else that doesn't have a taste or taste bad.
On the other hand your 555 flavor concentrate has the same BP and density as the apple but the molecule decomposes at 150C into something that has no flavor. Then you would notice a marked decrease in flavor at 5V's, especially if your previous device was not capable of reaching the decomp. temp of 150C.

So, In altering only one of the properties in the example above, You end up with opposing results for the end user.

In Short.... It's probably a crap shoot as to what flavors are going to be enhanced and what ones will be deminished.

Just my 2c,
Mike

 

[fiddler]

Strat - good, clear description and definitely not boring! I had noticed that some flavors are not enhanced at 5v but had no clue as to why.

 

[Vaporer]

Strat,

I liked it. Very interesting and informative. Actually explains some flavor diffs I've been looking into.
I've noticed that anything I put into my DSE601 pipe has a full rich flavor.
In a way your posting follows what I've noticed, but in a slightly diff way.
The same flavor from the same bottle has less flavor in a 501.
They are the same voltage and the coils measure the same ohms.
Both batt charged to full and the 601 has way more ma's. (Gets hotter faster I'm sure)
I have the feeling that the volume space of the pipe allows the vapor to cool and more flavor is tasted than the hotter short path the 501 has.

Just a theory I've been looking into.

Vaporer

 

[motorcity57]

anytime you add liquid flavor, pg, or vg, to a liquid, you are losing nic strength. this is why i only use menthol crystals. i vape 48 most of the time, by use crystals i do not dilute the strength of my liquid.
i have used some other flavors strawberry, watermelon, etc. but it takes like 20% flavor to 80% juice, so of course that knocks my nic down to about 38.