Can I get some feedback on advantages/disadvantages to manual and automatic PVs? Which is better? Reliable type/brand?
Manual or Automatic?
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Automatics are a nice feature, no button to push, but there are downsides. A lot of automatic batteries come with an automatic shutoff, so you can't take very long drags. You cannot drip directly into an automatic battery because they are not sealed, and if juice gets into them, you can ruin the battery.
The only downside to a manual battery is the button itself. I started with an automatic, and it took less than a week for me to regret not getting a manual battery, which I did.
The only downside to a manual battery is the button itself. I started with an automatic, and it took less than a week for me to regret not getting a manual battery, which I did.
Well I have 2 manuals and 1 auto. Auto is really nice, especially when driving. I'm using them with CE2R4 and had no problems with leaking.
I asked the same questions before I made my purchase of a Riva 510 (manual). I really wanted an auto because I thought the button would be a hassle. Its really not except one of my batteries, I have to push hard on the button to get it to activate. Other than that, I like that I don't have to worry about juice leaking into the battery and ruining it (since manuals are sealed).
I use both but I prefer the auto especially now that they have them with 1300 batteries! I get tired of pushing a button 1,000 times a day and it is just more relaxing to use an auto for me. The new second generation autos do not have all the problems of the older ones.
P.S. Cropduster has the Echo 1300 and 650 kits on sale for 39.95 and 44.95. http://www.cropduster901.com/shop/
P.S. Cropduster has the Echo 1300 and 650 kits on sale for 39.95 and 44.95. http://www.cropduster901.com/shop/
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You'll get a little stronger hit from the manual, at least I do. The only downside to a manual is that most have a 5 sec. cutoff, but that's easily fixed; just push the button again.
I find that I especially like using a manual to pre-heat things. By pressing the button for a second before puffing, the heating coil will be nice and warm so you will get better vapor production. You can kind of doing the same with an auto by taking a short puff or two before you take your "real" puff. I find that to be kind of a hassle, but it's effective.
In my experience it is unsafe to use an automatic battery while driving.
Why would it be unsafe to use an automatic while driving? Much easier and safer than a manual.
One point not brought up yet - manual batts are sealed, juice doesn't get in the batt through air hole, less chance of batts dying due to leakage. Juice got into my KR808 auto, not sure if the batt's damaged. It started acting weird and I tried to blow the jujce out. I'm using all manuals now.
Joye is quality stuff. Rivas are serving me well too so far, KR808s seem solid too except in leakage case.
Edit: +1 on manual preheating.
Joye is quality stuff. Rivas are serving me well too so far, KR808s seem solid too except in leakage case.
Edit: +1 on manual preheating.
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the manuals i've seen/used (other than an eGo) have longer cutt-offs than autos...YMMV
Manual or auto?....both. Why not? I really like busting this auto out every so often.
Caveat -- I vape as an alternative to smoking, not as a drug delivery device, so my use/needs/wants may be different than many on this forum.
I tried manuals. They were clumsy and not worth the effort.
Also, manuals are dangerous:
1) Since most automatics now use air pressure sensors instead of microphones, they don't turn on at odd times. Manuals, by their nature, turn on whenever the button is pressed, whether it's because you're taking a puff or if they're in the back pocket of a pair of jeans, or dropped between the sofa cushions, or anything else that involves more pressure than a fat fly landing on it. Automatics need a cutoff to preserve battery life. Manuals need a cutoff to prevent starting fires. The common term is "hot pocket."
2) Whether automatic or manual, there's always the danger of a steam bubble forming on a coil. When it happens with an automatic, it'll shoot a drop of scalding liquid into your mouth, causing a small sore. When it happens with a manual, it sprays wherever the PV is pointed. There are no documented cases, yet, of someone losing their eyesight, but there have been many close calls. I can't find my bookmark for it, but there's even a video someone on this forum posted of such a bubble-burst hitting them in the face.
3) Battery explosions happen far more often with manuals. The causes are not well know Sometimes it may be because the button is activated when it's on the charger; other times it may be just because manuals are, by their nature, often more cheaply made than automatics. If you look through the forums for incidents and/or videos of battery explosions, you'll see that they're almost exclusively manual batteries.
4) Using an automatic leaves your hands free. You can hang it off the corner of your lip, like a cigarette, and vape without effort. A manual requires at least one hand, which means that when you're driving, working on machinery, or doing anything else productive, you're compromising control of what you're doing every time you take a puff.
Bottom line -- if you're looking for an alternative to smoking, choose an automatic. If you're going to be fanatic about needing a drug delivery device, you'll probably choose a manual.
I tried manuals. They were clumsy and not worth the effort.
Also, manuals are dangerous:
1) Since most automatics now use air pressure sensors instead of microphones, they don't turn on at odd times. Manuals, by their nature, turn on whenever the button is pressed, whether it's because you're taking a puff or if they're in the back pocket of a pair of jeans, or dropped between the sofa cushions, or anything else that involves more pressure than a fat fly landing on it. Automatics need a cutoff to preserve battery life. Manuals need a cutoff to prevent starting fires. The common term is "hot pocket."
2) Whether automatic or manual, there's always the danger of a steam bubble forming on a coil. When it happens with an automatic, it'll shoot a drop of scalding liquid into your mouth, causing a small sore. When it happens with a manual, it sprays wherever the PV is pointed. There are no documented cases, yet, of someone losing their eyesight, but there have been many close calls. I can't find my bookmark for it, but there's even a video someone on this forum posted of such a bubble-burst hitting them in the face.
3) Battery explosions happen far more often with manuals. The causes are not well know Sometimes it may be because the button is activated when it's on the charger; other times it may be just because manuals are, by their nature, often more cheaply made than automatics. If you look through the forums for incidents and/or videos of battery explosions, you'll see that they're almost exclusively manual batteries.
4) Using an automatic leaves your hands free. You can hang it off the corner of your lip, like a cigarette, and vape without effort. A manual requires at least one hand, which means that when you're driving, working on machinery, or doing anything else productive, you're compromising control of what you're doing every time you take a puff.
Bottom line -- if you're looking for an alternative to smoking, choose an automatic. If you're going to be fanatic about needing a drug delivery device, you'll probably choose a manual.
Automatic, definitely! You can get more much vapor because of the button and and stronger throat hit. At the end that is what we all are looking for, right?
I am no fanatic, switched to vaping to escape real dangers of tobacco smoke. I don't do mods and keep it simple. Tried auto, could use both but currently using manuals. Auto or manual both deliver nic drug unless one vapes 0 nic juice.
1. Some manuals come with button protector, also safer in caring case, PCC. Autos have been known to activate with air pressure change in pocket or when windy, maybe older models.
2. There is YT video of someone dry burning atty and getting hot juice in eye, real danger, but rare. All vapers need to use care.
3. Pressing button while charging is bad. Manual batts are not cheaper made than autos per se, when made by same manufacturer. Manuals operate with mechanical button, autos with small circuit board and air sensor that can also fail. Are these exploding batts home-made mods or standard 510, eGo type manual batts?
4. True, do not drive distracted, same danger as drinking pop, coffee, water, dialing radio, talking on cell (where still not outlawed), or simply driving one handed (guilty). It is nice to have both hands free, but tough to hang eGo type autos from mouth too.
Enjoy your auto batts! But I'm no more drug addict than any smoker or vaper who uses nic.
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i'm an 808 user only.
i like both to be honest. for a long time i hated the manuals, my first couple months vaping were spent with auto's only. now that i use liquid alot instead of just buying prefilled carto's i've been forced to pick up a few manuals and i don't mind them as much as i use to.
but anytime i need to be handsfree the auto is the obvious choice.
all that being said, it's really personal preferance. this site preaches manual only, but honestly whatever works for you is what's best. 808's and 510's can be had for cheap, why not pick up a few of each type of battery in auto and manual and experiment. worst case scenario you have backups for when your favorite type of battery dies. which of course at some point or another all of them will.
edit: i see this post has been brought back from the dead lol, but i still think that my reply should be good solid advice for any newbs that might see this post before it get's buried again.
i like both to be honest. for a long time i hated the manuals, my first couple months vaping were spent with auto's only. now that i use liquid alot instead of just buying prefilled carto's i've been forced to pick up a few manuals and i don't mind them as much as i use to.
but anytime i need to be handsfree the auto is the obvious choice.
all that being said, it's really personal preferance. this site preaches manual only, but honestly whatever works for you is what's best. 808's and 510's can be had for cheap, why not pick up a few of each type of battery in auto and manual and experiment. worst case scenario you have backups for when your favorite type of battery dies. which of course at some point or another all of them will.
edit: i see this post has been brought back from the dead lol, but i still think that my reply should be good solid advice for any newbs that might see this post before it get's buried again.
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I know a lot of people are against auto batteries, but I like them. I use sealed 808 automatics. There's only two small pin sized holes on the threaded part of the battery, so I can't imagine there being much of a chance of my cartos leaking on them. I refill my own, but I always lightly blow them into a paper towel when I'm done filling and I make sure to wipe it down before I twist it back on. I also find it extremely hard to hit the cutoff point. I use the Volts and I can't make it shut off unless I'm really, really trying. It's got to be 7 secs or something like that. I actually run out of air to suck in before I run hit the battery shut off!
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