Masking pepperflavor in Tobacco Flavors

[RobertNC]

Seems like this would have certainly come up, but I searched and found nothing really relevant.

Does anyone know any additional flavorings or "tricks" that will at least diminish the very distinct pepper flavor that many of the tobacco flavors have? I have tried caramel, EM, vanillin, various creme flavors and they all smooth out the mix but the pepper is still very noticeable.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Robert

 

[dirtyrigger]

I've never noticed the pepper flavor you're talking about, but you might want to try adding TPA smooth at about 2-3% to help your flavors blend together. What flavorings are you using that are giving you this flavor taste?

 

[RobertNC]

I've never noticed the pepper flavor you're talking about, but you might want to try adding TPA smooth at about 2-3% to help your flavors blend together. What flavorings are you using that are giving you this flavor taste?

Well some additive flavors start to develop a strong pepper taste if you add higher amounts. Nut Mix from FlavourArt becomes very pepper heavy if you use more than a couple of drops, but it was not very nutty to begin with anyway. I solved that one by switching to a mix of peanut and peanut butter.

The real problem is tobacco flavors.

Red tobacco (ECX AKA TFA)
Shade (FlavourArt)
Burley (FlavourArt)

All have pepper tastes, especially the Red from TFA which is really hot.

I am using Vape Wizard (FlavourArt) which I have read, but not verified myself, is essentially the same thing as TFA Smooth.

 

[JoHoN]

I have this same issue with a lot of tobacco flavors and who decided to put pepper in tobacco anyway
Call me crazy but after a little research I have discovered that
1. Corn is used to contrast the flavor of pepper in cooking. (so with e-juice I was thinking maybe popcorn flavor)
2. Lemon juice also works to cancel the pepper flavor with sugar to cancel the sour of lemon. (So I was thinking of trying a little bit of lemon and seeing how that tastes and if not satisfied then try lemon with a drop of EM.

Now I know corn flavored tobacco sounds about as good as peppered flavored tobacco but hopefully just a small % of popcorn flavor will not actually be tasted just cancel the pepper flavor i dont know got to test.

Now the lemon supposedly works well balancing pepper with a little sugar.

This is all just option and is not tested as of this moment . I just have the same complaint about peppery tobacco and decided it was time to figure out how to mask it so I dont have 2 flavor vials that stay unused.

Good luck and please advise if you decide to try and post the results. I will do the same and as always I will continue to dig to find a way to get rid of pepper flavor in tobacco and advise if I find anything of interest.

 

[patkin]

Actually I have the opposite problem. I like the pepper flavor my ADV develops when steeped a long time. I have to buy it way ahead of time... two or three months. I also like the increased throat hit since I'm getting closer and closer to 100% VG and without the pepper their would be almost none. I've been looking for pepper flavoring actually trying to clone it and use in my DIY. What I have found, by accident, is ordering the juice with extra flavor and higher nic then DIY cutting it with PG/VG brings the pepper way down... not happy with that myself though.

 

[RobertNC]

Actually I have the opposite problem. I like the pepper flavor my ADV develops when steeped a long time. I have to buy it way ahead of time... two or three months. I also like the increased throat hit since I'm getting closer and closer to 100% VG and without the pepper their would be almost none. I've been looking for pepper flavoring actually trying to clone it and use in my DIY. What I have found, by accident, is ordering the juice with extra flavor and higher nic then DIY cutting it with PG/VG brings the pepper way down... not happy with that myself though.

If it's pepper you want, get add the Red Tobacco (ECX Signature AKA TFA).

 

[RobertNC]

I have this same issue with a lot of tobacco flavors and who decided to put pepper in tobacco anyway
Call me crazy but after a little research I have discovered that
1. Corn is used to contrast the flavor of pepper in cooking. (so with e-juice I was thinking maybe popcorn flavor)
2. Lemon juice also works to cancel the pepper flavor with sugar to cancel the sour of lemon. (So I was thinking of trying a little bit of lemon and seeing how that tastes and if not satisfied then try lemon with a drop of EM.

Now I know corn flavored tobacco sounds about as good as peppered flavored tobacco but hopefully just a small % of popcorn flavor will not actually be tasted just cancel the pepper flavor i dont know got to test.

Now the lemon supposedly works well balancing pepper with a little sugar.

This is all just option and is not tested as of this moment . I just have the same complaint about peppery tobacco and decided it was time to figure out how to mask it so I dont have 2 flavor vials that stay unused.

Good luck and please advise if you decide to try and post the results. I will do the same and as always I will continue to dig to find a way to get rid of pepper flavor in tobacco and advise if I find anything of interest.

OK I decided to give this a trial run. It took a little effort to overcome my basic resistance to adding fruity stuff to tobacco flavors but ...

I made a mix with a moderately peppery tobacco (MLB ECX Signature AKA TPA AKA TFA). I used FlavourArt Citrus Mix which was precut quite a bit with PG/VG base and added just a drop. I could not taste the citrus (did not want to).

It *did* seem to take at least a little of the pepper edge off. Unfortunately I also noticed it seemed to cut the tobacco taste a little too though.

Purely speculating here, but I am wondering if lowering the pH a little from the citrus mix complexes with presumably some amines that provide some tobacco taste and makes them less volatile.

Not sure but it is an intriguing idea and I plan to experiment a little more with small additions of citrus to some other types to see if it will also cut down some of the flowery tones