Mech mod output?

[footbag]

I just had a chat with a guy with a who had a mech mod. I don't know much about them, but knew it was a mech mod. He didn't quite know what a mech mod was, and he said it puts out 30W. So said the shop owner.

So I was thinking about it, and wondering how one could determine in wattage the output. If it puts out 4.2V fully charged then the output depends on the resistance of the coil, correct? He already said he switched between heads, so the wattage should change. Maybe this applies only to the Atleantis .5 Ohm coils?

I'm going to see him later, and thought that if the opportunity presents itself I may give him a bit of info on mech mods, despite only knowing very little.

 

[MotoMudder]

You are correct. Output depends on voltage and resistance. Mech mods wattage constantly change with the voltage of the battery.
I can't recall the exact math required, have an app for that on my phone. Laziness FTW.
But yes I'd say he'd be around 30 watts.

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[Marmaduke]

Well you have to keep in mind that the battery goes down a bit as soon as it works in your mod. You should calculate with about 4Volts and not 4,2.
Then you calculate 4x4 and divide it by 0,5 ( resistance of the coil), which gives you 32 Watts.

You like to vape with 32 Watts in general? Which resistance should your coil have? Think of the volts of your battery again. 16 Volts, divide it by 32 and it makes 0,5 Ohms that you should wick.

 

[Wraith504]

voltage drop of the the setup should be factored in as well to correctly determine the true output?

 

[Marmaduke]

This is just an easy way to know where you go with wicking and vaping on a mechmod.Of course there is something like voltdrop.
You also should calculate that your battery gets weaker. Do the above calculation again for a nearly empty battery.
Let's take 3,2 Volts. 3,2x3,2= 10,24........10,24 /0,5= 20,4

So you start with about 30 Watts and when your battery is empty you will only get about 20. Between those extremes is a nice long time of constant output at a good level if you have given it a short time to consider. The first draws are a bit stronger then it gets a bit less but is nice and when it gets noticably less vapor and you will notice that point, you change the battery.
Using mechmods takes a bit of thinking about it but then its nice and also quite simple. You have to know what you are doing.You need to check the resistance of your coils and you need good batteries.

I usually vape between 0,7 and 1,0 on a mechmod, nothing spectacular as I don't regard it as nice to vape just a hair's length above a short. I like it but I also use regulated devices. But there are so many nice mechmods, especially tubes

 

[edyle]

I just had a chat with a guy with a who had a mech mod. I don't know much about them, but knew it was a mech mod. He didn't quite know what a mech mod was, and he said it puts out 30W. So said the shop owner.

So I was thinking about it, and wondering how one could determine in wattage the output. If it puts out 4.2V fully charged then the output depends on the resistance of the coil, correct? He already said he switched between heads, so the wattage should change. Maybe this applies only to the Atleantis .5 Ohm coils?

I'm going to see him later, and thought that if the opportunity presents itself I may give him a bit of info on mech mods, despite only knowing very little.

If it puts out up to 30 watts then that sounds like one of the regulated mods like a dna30 type, or like an istick30, or mvp30

 

[footbag]

If it puts out up to 30 watts then that sounds like one of the regulated mods like a dna30 type, or like an istick30, or mvp30

Initially, he told me it was a 30w mod. It didn't have a screen and had a bottom fire button, so I asked if it was a mech mod. He said no.

So then I was confused. I asked him how to change the wattage or voltage. He said you couldn't. It's only 30w. That's been my confusion.

I'm just a bit surprised one could be sold a mech without the background info you need.

 

[edyle]

Initially, he told me it was a 30w mod. It didn't have a screen and had a bottom fire button, so I asked if it was a mech mod. He said no.

So then I was confused. I asked him how to change the wattage or voltage. He said you couldn't. It's only 30w. That's been my confusion.

I'm just a bit surprised one could be sold a mech without the background info you need.

You also mentioned in your first post something about an Atlantis?
Maybe you have the Aspire cf subohm kit?

 

[edyle]

Initially, he told me it was a 30w mod. It didn't have a screen and had a bottom fire button, so I asked if it was a mech mod. He said no.

So then I was confused. I asked him how to change the wattage or voltage. He said you couldn't. It's only 30w. That's been my confusion.

I'm just a bit surprised one could be sold a mech without the background info you need.

Bottom fire button? That's probably a mech.
Doesn't it have any sort of logo or lettering on the bottom switch?

 

[edyle]

here's an Atlantis kit with a King mechanical mod being sold under the name
'streamtribe'

 

[opticruby]

Is it possible he was using a kick in the mod?

 

[Kahina]

Is it possible he was using a kick in the mod?

Not at the given 30w. The evolve kick is supposed to do up to 15w, the knockoffs up to 10 or 12w. I've got one of each here but haven't used them yet.

For the OP, since A=V/R and A=W/V, we get W=(V*V)/R. Or you could just use Steam Engine instead.

 

[Baditude]

Mechanical mods are bare-bones tube or box battery holders with no power regulation/variable power and no built-in safety features. These have recently enjoyed a resurgence in popularity because of RBAs (rebuildable atomizers). Because there is no computer to regulate voltage, these depend solely on the battery's output and the resistance of the heating coil as the only means of changing the vape quality. Vape quality will progressively decline as the battery is used.

Regulated mods (variable voltage) use micro computers to regulate the vapor to stay constant to what is dialed in by the user. These processors have built-in safety circuitry which make them a better choice for novice or intermediate vapors because of their safety features. These can be tube or box mods. There are newer models called "high wattage" regulated mods which have all the benefits of a regular regulated mod in addition to higher power capable of firing sub-ohm coils.


The Pro's & Cons of Regulated vs Mechanical Mods:

Regulated Pro's:

• The battery power to the atomizer is controlled (regulated) to stay the same throughout the battery charge, from a fully charged battery until fully discharged.
• The power can be adjusted to increase or decrease the voltage by the user, allowing the user to change their vaping experience.
• Has built-in protective circuitry against short circuits, atomizer shorts, accidentally putting battery in backwards, and over-heating.
• Has built-in battery voltage and atomizer resistance meters to check battery status and the ohm of the coil.

Regulated Con's:

• Generally speaking, may not be as well made or as durable over time; electrical components might fail.
• Unless it is a "high wattage" regulated mod, will not be able to fire sub-ohm coils.

Mechanical Pro's:

• Generally speaking, made to be more durable and withstand some physical abuse. No electronics to fail.
• Able to fire sub-ohm coils because there is no protection circuitry or processor amp limits to prohibit it.
• Many are machined to be quite beautiful, nearly art pieces.

Mechanical Cons:

• No protection circuitry. This is a big one for beginners. The user must always be aware of the signs of a short circuit which could cause the battery to vent into thermal runaway. Must have ventilation holes and a hot spring for a venting battery or the mod becomes a pipe bomb.
• No built-in voltage or resistance meters.
• No way to regulate the battery output. As the battery drains during use, the vapor will continually decline gradually. No way to adjust the vape experience except by changing the atomizer resistance.

If the mod that you choose uses external (replaceable rechargeable) batteries, you must choose the correct chemistry battery and a box battery charger:

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or protected ICR?

Explain It To The Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations​

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'm just a bit surprised one could be sold a mech without the background info you need.

As an adult, one can be sold lots of things without background information.
Ever bought anything from IKEA?
Lol
One should learn to educate oneself before spending one's hard earned cash on something they know little about.


That said, mechs are pretty straightforward devices and there are mountains of relevant info here on ECF.
You are in the right place.

 

[Marmaduke]

Some people just don't want to. Every now and then again a newbie comes and says "I want really big clouds and subohm and I have bought this or that mech but it doesn't vape like in the videos.No, I didn't measure the resistance but I did it like in the video.Why shouldn't I use these batteries?So they only have 6A, so what! I don't want to read about coils and Ohms, I want to do it now! "
Tell them it's not safe and they should consider a bit of reading and learning what they are doing and you are a partypooper.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Some people just don't want to. Every now and then again a newbie comes and says "I want really big clouds and subohm and I have bought this or that mech but it doesn't vape like in the videos.No, I didn't measure the resistance but I did it like in the video.Why shouldn't I use these batteries?So they only have 6A, so what! I don't want to read about coils and Ohms, I want to do it now! "
Tell them it's not safe and they should consider a bit of reading and learning what they are doing and you are a partypooper.

I agree. Thats kinda my point.
Everything in life isn't plug-n-play.
Everything isn't for everyone.

Some things aren't safe for some people to do.
Everyone doesn't deserve a trophy.

Shorting a high drain battery, sealed in a metal tube, a across a piece of wire to heat up a cotton ball so you can get a nicotine fix isn't something that should be done without a fair amount of research and education.

People that don't pay attention to what they are doing usually pay for it.

With animals, we call this the culling of the herd.