Mechanical Mods in 2016: What's the point?

[Baditude]

NEVER sub ohm on a mech mod. Some batteries can deal with the low ohms in sub ohming. Most batteries can't Fire that low and your mech mod quickly turns into a pipe bomb.

Now that is an overstatement!! Just 1 - 2 years ago, the main point of using a mech was because it could fire a sub ohm coil and the regulated mods available at the time could not.

Now, I agree that there are limits to how low one should sub ohm with a mechanical. Personally, I would never vape lower than 0.5 ohm because I insist on some safe headroom, but today's 30 amp CDR batteries can fire a 0.2 ohm coil.

Vaping on regulated mods is way safer with reverse battery detection, many will fire as low as .15 ojms, control the wattage for better battery life, and has circuitry to stop firing when the board gets too hot.

I agree with this, especially for beginning vapers. Ideally, everyone should start out with a regulated mod first, and if they wish to try a mechanical after a period of time after doing their homework, then do so.

Baditude's Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod

 

[Two_Bears]

What? NEVER vape below 1.0 ohm on a mech mod? I'll take that as a typo .

No its not a typo.

Some 18650 batteries can handle sub ohming. Others get way too hot and turn your mech mod into a pipe bomb.

 

[Two_Bears]

Now that is an overstatement!! Just 1 - 2 years ago, the main point of using a mech was because it could fire a sub ohm coil and the regulated mods available at the time could not.

Now, I agree that there are limits to how low one should sub ohm with a mechanical. Personally, I would never vape lower than 0.5 ohm because I insist on some safe headroom, but today's 30 amp CDR batteries can fire a 0.2 ohm coil.


I agree with this, especially for beginning vapers. Ideally, everyone should start out with a regulated mod first, and if they wish to try a mechanical after a period of time after doing their homework, then do so.

Baditude's Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod

The only thing I care about is safety.

18650 batteries come in all stripes. Some very good that are very safe for sub ohming. Others are rewrapped and you don't know if you have a good battery of a counterfeit schill...

You have a lot of people with bsd batteries turning mech mods into pipe bombs, the news media will report every incident and soon vaping will get the reputation of being unsafe then the Govt will flat out ban vaping instead if just taxing tht ______ out of it.

 

[petrotech]

A LOT OF 18650 batteries can handle sub ohming. PEOPLE ARE STUPID and turn THEIR mech mod into a pipe bomb.

I fixed your post for you.

 

[Thrasher]

Sorry to offend anyone, but,,, if you dont know enough about what your doing and the right battery to do it with then your an idiot. And you shouldnt be using a mech in the first place.

The mechs and batteries are irrelevant, in the case of mech mods almost every incident is user error.

Please stop blaming the mods and batteries instead of the user/vape shops who are the idiots.


If you never rode a bike before you dont just jump on a rocket and go 120mph till you know what your doing. If you wipe out your the dummy, you dont blame the bike for your stupidity and lack of knowledge.

I been subohming for years. Never even had a battery get warm unless I did something wrong.

 

[anavidfan]

So where do I go from here? Dripping atomisers? No, not my thing. And anyway I don't have the tattoos and piercings to go with the concept.

Would somebody be kind enough to elucidate?

Its funny how we group people and make assumptions. Dont want to take away from what the thread and the OPs intention is about.

Im mostly a tank person. I think they are perfect for me. Im over 50, no tatoos, female. I do have a terrible fondness to Naturally Extracted tobacco liquids. The darker, smokier, drier, thick, gross and smellier the better. Though I do have some NETs that I can use in a tank and go through 3ml before the wick is a black disgusting mess, I still have some NET that are too much for a tank and use a dripper for that. Its either give up my favorite NETs or have to suffer thru the drip , drip , dripping. Obviously I use those at home only.

If you dont use thick , sweet , dark liquids, I dont really see a "need" for a dripper. Honestly my light every day DIY taste just as good in my Phenomenon tank or my Origen Dripper. The really gross ( but delicious to me ) NET, just dont do well in a tank. I can go maybe 1/2 ml and its kaput.

Just thought Id share my opinion. Im amazed that this thread has had such activity without a " VS" incident. Very polite and intelligent , thanks

BTW, Im a Mech MOD freak. I do have one reg 60watt device. Take my reg , but dont anyone touch my mechs.....

 

[suprtrkr]

Just one thing appeals to me about mechs, the form factor of the 18650 tube mods. But I won't mess around with unprotected devices. I do most of my vaping at work. If I vented a mod on the shop floor that might push management to ban them, a gamble I won't take. But now I see there are kicks that regulate watts, have reverse battery protection, low voltage, etc. They are about $7 from fasttech and one of them has 1500 glowing reviews. The compromise is you use a shorter battery to make room for the kick so it's not for marathon vaping sessions. I might find a limited use for that type of setup. Otherwise I'll stick with temp control. (I'll get a DNA200 mod when I can get something compact that takes 2 Li cells.)

A Kick is great if you want to vape under 20 watts or so. I have never seen one go higher. Just as a suggestion-- you said "shop floor" so I am assuming you're fairly handy with your hands-- you could, using a piece of double sided copper clad board and some ingenuity, make a plug fuse receptacle that would occupy about the same tube length as a kick module. Then you could put in a 20 amp fuse, or whatever, and still vape unregulated but not worry about venting. Just a thought...

 

[Two_Bears]

Sorry to offend anyone, but,,, if you dont know enough about what your doing and the right battery to do it with then your an idiot. And you shouldnt be using a mech in the first place.

The mechs and batteries are irrelevant, in the case of mech mods almost every incident is user error.

Please stop blaming the mods and batteries instead of the user/vape shops who are the idiots.


If you never rode a bike before you dont just jump on a rocket and go 120mph till you know what your doing. If you wipe out your the dummy, you dont blame the bike for your stupidity and lack of knowledge.

I been subohming for years. Never even had a battery get warm unless I did something wrong.

I will agree. Some vspers don't have the sense to pull a little red wagon. We HG have two choices. Regulate ourselves. By keeping the low information vapers away from dangerous gear or do nothing and watch the Govt outlaw vaping out of existence.

 

[NickVapesEh]

The point in using mech mods are the size, and usability in cloud competitions. You cant enter a comp with a regulated mod. And the size of mech mods make it very comfortable without looking like a gun handle. They can be very safe as long as your informed about amp limits and coil building. Ive seen loads of regulated devices blow up because people using un married batteries and also ebay batteries.

 

[Thrasher]

"The point in using mech mods are the ease of use and the simplicity of the design"

Fixed that for you..

Many of us have been on mechs for years, and never once thought about comps or .1 ohm coils.

The real beauty of a mech is what can be done WITHOUT needing 50+ watts.

I make thick clouds that roll down the street from a measly 25-30 watts. How come other people need 75 watts and a 20 g coil?


When your done playing with settings all day - there's mechs.

When your tired of the same old square mods with no real distinctive looks - there's mechs bringing style.

When all your interested in doing is just vaping -there will always be mechs.

I build a coil that last weeks. I pop in a battery that gives me 5-6 hours easy. And I vape. Temp control doesn't interest me, pressing buttons and reading displays is more then is necessary for some.

Always worrying about your settings, using tanks and coils that burn 5 ml every button press, and the constant " but I have to have 60 watts to be happy " nonsense.
No, no you dont, you just need coils that perform at the same level of response and heat flux that you prefer at whatever wattage you set.

One amusing point is comps didnt really start till high powered regulated mods and huge crazy coils came around. Even though most only allow mechs now.

 

[Two_Bears]

"The point in using mech mods are the ease of use and the simplicity of the design"

Fixed that for you..

Many of us have been on mechs for years, and never once thought about comps or .1 ohm coils.

The real beauty of a mech is what can be done WITHOUT needing 50+ watts.

I make thick clouds that roll down the street from a measly 25-30 watts. How come other people need 75 watts and a 20 g coil?


When your done playing with settings all day - there's mechs.

When your tired of the same old square mods with no real distinctive looks - there's mechs bringing style.

When all your interested in doing is just vaping -there will always be mechs.

I build a coil that last weeks. I pop in a battery that gives me 5-6 hours easy. And I vape. Temp control doesn't interest me, pressing buttons and reading displays is more then is necessary for some.

Always worrying about your settings, using tanks and coils that burn 5 ml every button press, and the constant " but I have to have 60 watts to be happy " nonsense.
No, no you dont, you just need coils that perform at the same level of response and heat flux that you prefer at whatever wattage you set.

One amusing point is comps didnt really start till high powered regulated mods and huge crazy coils came around. Even though most only allow mechs now.

It was said by someone at first I thought it was Roxy buy she said she didn't do it.

"They need 75 watts because they are lousy at wrapping coils"

I vape at 20 watts and under and blow bigger clouds than many that vape at twice the wattage, and in my RTAs I often have coils lsst 2-3 months. I dry burn and te wick every 2-3 days.

 

[Thrasher]

Mmm I cant completely agree, but in many cases, people now use low gauges we never touched before.

A lot of these coils now are so heavy 75 watts barely gets them warm. lol.

Marketing to keep selling goods and reality almost never gel. People wanted huge coils, they got them, then they wanted high power to run them, and they got it. You think kanger and smoke will tell you you dont really need it and lose money?

And new people who didn't get to see what used to be are all being herded into believing this is the way you have to vape now. When its not the power or the guage of wire its the way the vapor feels, hot or cold, thick and billowing clouds, and this isnt power related!

This is setup related.

I argue with someone about this, they say its the heat and the amount of vapor they get from high wattage they enjoy, what I keep arguing is you can get that hot thick vape on ANY setting with the right wire and heat flux. The cloud may look a little smaller but its just as warm and thick in feeling.

 

[Two_Bears]

Mmm I cant completely agree, but in many cases, people now use low gauges we never touched before.

A lot of these coils now are so heavy 75 watts barely gets them warm. lol.

Marketing to keep selling goods and reality almost never gel. People wanted huge coils, they got them, then they wanted high power to run them, and they got it. You think kanger and smoke will tell you you dont really need it and lose money?

And new people who didn't get to see what used to be are all being herded into believing this is the way you have to vape now. When its not the power or the guage of wire its the way the vapor feels, hot or cold, thick and billowing clouds, and this isnt power related!

This is setup related.

I argue with someone about this, they say its the heat and the amount of vapor they get from high wattage they enjoy, what I keep arguing is you can get that hot thick vape on ANY setting with the right wire and heat flux. The cloud may look a little smaller but its just as warm and thick in feeling.

Sure there is all kinds of things you can do.

1. Use a higher VG juice.
2. Raise the wattage.
3. For a warmer thicker vspe restrict the airflow
4. Use another coil with larger surface area like twisted or Clapton
5. For a warmer vape use dual coils instead of single.

 

[Winchester]

I agree with 440BB. We have lost a lot of well crafted mechanical mods when the Chinese started selling copies. I own all most all of Super T's mods and I have no intention of ever getting rid of them. The ELA is the best mod I have ever owned. It can't be beat with Kayfun on top for Flavor. I do own a few regulated mods for a sub ohm RAD's which I only use at home.

 

[ThunderDan]

To paraphrase a bit, "Not as clumsy or random as an IPV. An elegant mod... for a more civilized age"

 

[malcaris]

I can really only comment on the mech mod side as this is all I have used since stepping up from the original ego style batteries. Started out with a nemesis, then moved to Stingray, now using a tesla hybrid that is a mech mod but with a chip that protects against battery shortages or anything below .2 ohms. I have to say that I am someone who enjoys taking the time and messing around to find the right resistance and coil for me. For me, with the correct batteries, I enjoy the process of building different coils and firing it without having to adjust my device.

 

[HauntedMyst]

How many high performance racing cars have automatic transmissions? The mech mods I have should last at least a life time. They have no electronics to break and have all the power I need. To me they are more simple and straightforward.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Dripping atomisers? No, not my thing. And anyway I don't have the tattoos and piercings to go with the concept.

FYI, you don't have to have tattoos or piercing to drip. I checked. I am not a tattoo aficionado. The only ones I have were from when I was an alter boy. My dad had a feeling something was up with the priests so he made me get one around my waist that says "Do not cross this line" and another across my cheeks that says "Do not enter"

 

[Vaper Bob]

FYI, you don't have to have tattoos or piercing to drip. I checked. I am not a tattoo aficionado. The only ones I have were from when I was an alter boy. My dad had a feeling something was up with the priests so he made me get one around my waist that says "Do not cross this line" and another across my cheeks that says "Do not enter"

Too late for me to get those tattoos done. But not too late to try dripping.

 

[Two_Bears]

Too late for me to get those tattoos done. But not too late to try dripping.

NEVER too late. Almost 61 years years old and thinking of getting my first tattoo. A 3,000 year old Hawaiian petroglyph from Molokai on my right wrist. With maybe a small dragon over the petroglyph.