Medical News Today: E-cigarettes 'do not reduce use of conventional cigarettes'

[TomCatt]

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/277336.php

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E-cigarettes 'do not reduce use of conventional cigarettes

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[DrMA]

Any researcher claiming "there isn't enough evidence" to say anything about ecigs should be slapped over the face and stripped of their academic credentials.

 

[TomCatt]

Something interesting (and disturbing) at MNT:

Fewer smokers believe e-cigarettes are a safer alternative to cigarettes

medicalnewstoday.com/releases/276917.php

The study also looked at the perceived harmfulness of e-cigarettes among current smokers. In 2010, 84.7% of smokers surveyed believed e-cigarettes were less harmful than traditional cigarettes, but according to this new study in 2013, that number dropped to just 65%.

"This apparent decline in smokers' beliefs about reduced harm of e-cigarettes compared with regular cigarettes is perplexing against the background of advertising and media messages touting e-cigarettes as safer alternatives and cessation aids," adds co-investigator Cabral Bigman, PhD, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. "One possible explanation is that the increased media attention over the lack of FDA approval and regulation of this emerging tobacco product, injuries arising from e-cigarette-induced fires, and health concerns from toxic chemicals in e-cigarettes in recent years may have conveyed conflicting information about the relative safety of e-cigarette use."

Damn ANTZ!

 

[Bobbilly]

Do you think that all the negative junk science might have something to do with it. Duh

 

[Chimney34]

Ugggh! More lies! Will it ever end
All you need to do is look at the members banners here to see that's not true...unless they're calling us liars too!
And I'm wayyyyy less concerned about what's in my juice than I was all of the things I KNEW were in those dangerously addictive cigarettes I used to smoke!

 

[DrMA]

Perhaps what they mean by "there is no evidence" is that no evidence that supports their pre-determined conclusions can be found that isn't complete and obvious junk.

 

[e-pipeman]

It's tedious to have to wade through mountains of misinformation on an almost daily basis. The problem is that news media need daily health stories for their readers - so they often don't check their facts very well or take in to account the size of sample groups or other annnoying things that would get in the way of telling the story the way they want to tell it. Obviously it's no excuse and is deliberate misinformation very often - but sadly that's the way it is out there.

I could not find a way to rate the article referred to by the op at "0" so gave it a "1".

 

[Anjaffm]

Bah humbug.

On the bright side, the ANTZ are looking more and more ridiculous. Even to the untrained eye, I should say.

For a good chuckle, read this:

Glantz finally loses his mind.

This is what Stan has to say on the subject…

people who use ecigarettes are less likely to quit smoking (even if ecigarettes are helpful for those using them to make a quit attempt).

 

[AgentAnia]

I love how the alleged experts say "There isn't enough evidence to say..." and then go ahead and say it!

 

[aikanae1]

Something interesting (and disturbing) at MNT:

Fewer smokers believe e-cigarettes are a safer alternative to cigarettes

medicalnewstoday.com/releases/276917.php

Damn ANTZ!

How else can they explain why their investment of millions into ecigs haven't paid off?
hxxp://www.cspnet.com/category-management-news-data/tobacco-news-data/articles/does-vaping-have-legs

And he had data to prove it: Lorillard's own data showed industry-leader blu's sequential growth actually decreased by 14% in Dec. 2013 and by 6% in March 2014.

"It's declining year-over-year," said Modi of blu's growth. "That could just be inventory dynamics, but the point I'm trying to make is that you have this category where people are getting overheated with their hyperbolic expectations, making investments based on those expectations, and that proved to be a poor capital allocation decision. It's very important to keep a broader, balanced, rational context on this category."


Another possible explanation for the e-cig slowdown--which Modi noted is happening not just with Lorillard, but with the majority of the industry--is the increased interest in personal vaporizer products, although it's difficult to estimate just how much share this once-niche market is taking from e-cigarettes.


"It's a very fragmented industry with no legitimate data source," Modi said. "At this point, I think everyone's struggling with how big this category really is because it's so unmeasured."

Now, the market for pv's (tank style devices) is stronger than ever.

 

[e-pipeman]

In your second quote they use "e-cigarette" when they presumably mean "cigalike" and "personal vaporizer products" for "the stuff we all use on this forum". But I still want to call my devices e-cigs. Oh dear - my brain appears to have melted...

 

[TomCatt]

In your second quote they use "e-cigarette" when they presumably mean "cigalike" and "personal vaporizer products" for "the stuff we all use on this forum". But I still want to call my devices e-cigs. Oh dear - my brain appears to have melted...

Yeah, but if there are bans on using e-cigarettes, then we'd have no problems; seeing as how we use "personal vaporizer products" and not "e-cigarettes" right?

 

[e-pipeman]

Yeah, but if there are bans on using e-cigarettes, then we'd have no problems; seeing as how we use "personal vaporizer products" and not "e-cigarettes" right?

Wise words indeed, Mr Catt.

 

[MorpheusPA]

It's weird (OK, so it's not at all weird), but when smokers ask me what to use, I never point them toward Blu or any other cig-alike. I send them straight toward the eGo or Volt X2 to start, depending on their goals and whether I know them well enough that we'll be trading stuff around (all of mine is X2).

I think many of us do that, even to the point of gently discouraging people from staying with the Blu/cig-alike if they're having any problems at all. They're not a great long-term solution for many people, although some do well with them and prefer them.

So it's no great surprise that Blu has seen their sales drop. Word gets out--fast. What I'd like to see is the overall industry totals for the year, which would be difficult to impossible.

 

[chellemmm]

Blu's sales have dropped because people (smokers) get frustrated with their crappy batteries and cartos...not to mention that they are almost as expensive to vape as to smoke a traditional cigarette.

Blu SHOULD offer a "step up" from the ciga like, but they don't. It is their own fault and they are trying to spin the fact that most vapers who start with Blu eventually switch to something more feasible and less expensive.

 

[wv2win]

Ugggh! More lies! Will it ever end.........................

Yes, it will end in less than 2 years when the FDA's Deeming Regulations take affect.

 

[wv2win]

Blu's sales have dropped because people (smokers) get frustrated with their crappy batteries and cartos...not to mention that they are almost as expensive to vape as to smoke a traditional cigarette.

Blu SHOULD offer a "step up" from the ciga like, but they don't. It is their own fault and they are trying to spin the fact that most vapers who start with Blu eventually switch to something more feasible and less expensive.

I actually wrote to Jason Healey about 3 years ago making that very suggestion. He replied that Blu out performs all other vaping devices on the market and there was no need to change anything. At the time, 5 volt PV's such as the GLV were on the market, along with many other better products.

 

[Bobbilly]

Bah humbug.

On the bright side, the ANTZ are looking more and more ridiculous. Even to the untrained eye, I should say.

For a good chuckle, read this:

Glantz finally loses his mind.

I am no scientist but it goes to te initial frame of reference. If one is thinking of quitting. A e cig or other NRT would likely garner a thought of trying that product to quit.

Funny thing when I had no desire to quit. A Quit smoking ad typically caused me to go have a smoke.

 

[Bobbilly]

Blu's sales have dropped because people (smokers) get frustrated with their crappy batteries and cartos...not to mention that they are almost as expensive to vape as to smoke a traditional cigarette.

Blu SHOULD offer a "step up" from the ciga like, but they don't. It is their own fault and they are trying to spin the fact that most vapers who start with Blu eventually switch to something more feasible and less expensive.

Blu doesn't want you to get something better they want you to supplement with cigarettes.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

It's weird (OK, so it's not at all weird), but when smokers ask me what to use, I never point them toward Blu or any other cig-alike. I send them straight toward the eGo or Volt X2 to start, depending on their goals and whether I know them well enough that we'll be trading stuff around (all of mine is X2).

I think many of us do that, even to the point of gently discouraging people from staying with the Blu/cig-alike if they're having any problems at all. They're not a great long-term solution for many people, although some do well with them and prefer them.

So it's no great surprise that Blu has seen their sales drop. Word gets out--fast. What I'd like to see is the overall industry totals for the year, which would be difficult to impossible.

Agreed - I had similar thoughts when I first read about the sales 'decline'.

I don't think that Blu establishes long-term customers - more likely people out-grow their product very quickly and move right along.

For my new user recommendation, I steer people straight to the Innokin vv3. Being just a few dollars more than an ego spinner makes it a much longer term solution.