Is there a section or thread dedicated as a memorial for members of ECF who have passed away? If so, where? If not, why?
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No and I've never seen a section like that in the last 14 years I've been on boards. Generally there will be a thread and once it runs it's course it goes away.
We even had a well known and respected member post their suicide note on one board (with admin and local members calling police) and it turned into a huge thread. That thread would get bumped yearly and there would be a couple others stating that X happened X years ago.
Damn near every board I've been on has had known members die.
We even had a well known and respected member post their suicide note on one board (with admin and local members calling police) and it turned into a huge thread. That thread would get bumped yearly and there would be a couple others stating that X happened X years ago.
Damn near every board I've been on has had known members die.
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Then I would like to suggest an RIP section be created to honor former members of ECF who have past away. With verification by family or friends. Seems to be there is a section for everything else here. This is assumng ECF plans to remain open for the long haul, which I'm assuming it will. Otherwise I wouldn't have brought up the idea. There is a board that, I believe, has an RIP section. While it does not deal with the same material as ECF, it does share common themes such as having a large member base and involves harm-reduction discussions. Simply a suggestion.
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I just don't think this is a good idea with the looming regulations and people that want to ban ecigs. The forces that are against us would jump at the opportunity to mislead the public and regulators about the deaths. I could just see someone pointing to a thread on here of people that have passed and blaming ecigs for every death.
That's not a decision, just my opinion. I see it doing far more harm than good at this time.
I meant, thank you for chiming in on this subject. Because I'm around so many positive, happy, and thankful non-smokers over ECF I guess I have a more optimistic view on the future of vaping, or
Maybe I'm just naive.
I don't see the FDA as a threat as long as CASAA is around.
I suppose if there wasn't an RIP section by the time I joined the community, then why would there one later on? There must have been a reason. So, thanks for your opinion considering -- your words carry more weight and you're more accountable as a Moderator.
I mean, this is real. People are adding years & decades onto their lives because of the very nature of what ECF is about. What greater honor to those who have fallen to preventable forms of cancer in the past than to immortilize the next generation digitally with the very community they choose to be apart of.
Maybe I'm just naive.
I don't see the FDA as a threat as long as CASAA is around.
I suppose if there wasn't an RIP section by the time I joined the community, then why would there one later on? There must have been a reason. So, thanks for your opinion considering -- your words carry more weight and you're more accountable as a Moderator.
I mean, this is real. People are adding years & decades onto their lives because of the very nature of what ECF is about. What greater honor to those who have fallen to preventable forms of cancer in the past than to immortilize the next generation digitally with the very community they choose to be apart of.
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It's definitely worth discussing.
Such a board would be a good way of showing respect to our friends who have died. A way of remembering them and how they contributed. Also a way of showing that we all care about our community.
On the down side, we are being attacked viciously all the time by people with a huge amount of money who see us as a serious threat to their profits. They have one person who is specifically employed and paid an enormous amount of money to attack vapers and ECF. That person was paid $850,000 last year, partially to watch YouTube videos of vapers and make up a pseudo-scientific paper about how harmful vaping must be because vapers appear to inhale for longer. It doesn't matter that the paper is rubbish founded on a complete misunderstanding of how an ecig is used - the press pick it up and use it nevertheless.
This year they published a major study that appears to have scientific value but is skewed massively toward finding harm where none exists, and much of it was based on material from ECF - 'negative health issues' that were posted here. It was made out to be a fact that every moan about symptoms of tobacco withdrawal, or pre-existing health issues, or minor throat irritation, was a major health hazard caused by e-cigs.
Just search Prue Talbot on here.
That pile of quasi-scientific junk was separately funded and almost certainly produced as a response to a request in the research world for a study that would take trivial issues and creatively turn them into major health hazards, meaning that ecigs need to be banned or regulated out of existence. A six-figure sum was offered for a suitable hatchet job on ecigs. I think we just saw the result.
So you might be able to see that a board with a list of RIP ECF Members would soon be turned into a 'list of people killed by ecigs, admitted by the vapers themselves'.
There are no lies that this particular cancer on public health will not stoop to. It pays very well indeed.
Such a board would be a good way of showing respect to our friends who have died. A way of remembering them and how they contributed. Also a way of showing that we all care about our community.
On the down side, we are being attacked viciously all the time by people with a huge amount of money who see us as a serious threat to their profits. They have one person who is specifically employed and paid an enormous amount of money to attack vapers and ECF. That person was paid $850,000 last year, partially to watch YouTube videos of vapers and make up a pseudo-scientific paper about how harmful vaping must be because vapers appear to inhale for longer. It doesn't matter that the paper is rubbish founded on a complete misunderstanding of how an ecig is used - the press pick it up and use it nevertheless.
This year they published a major study that appears to have scientific value but is skewed massively toward finding harm where none exists, and much of it was based on material from ECF - 'negative health issues' that were posted here. It was made out to be a fact that every moan about symptoms of tobacco withdrawal, or pre-existing health issues, or minor throat irritation, was a major health hazard caused by e-cigs.
Just search Prue Talbot on here.
That pile of quasi-scientific junk was separately funded and almost certainly produced as a response to a request in the research world for a study that would take trivial issues and creatively turn them into major health hazards, meaning that ecigs need to be banned or regulated out of existence. A six-figure sum was offered for a suitable hatchet job on ecigs. I think we just saw the result.
So you might be able to see that a board with a list of RIP ECF Members would soon be turned into a 'list of people killed by ecigs, admitted by the vapers themselves'.
There are no lies that this particular cancer on public health will not stoop to. It pays very well indeed.
The rules on ECF are becoming clearer to me now after skimming those articles you mentioned to search for. This topic is "above my paygrade" I fear. I suppose when you conquer your demons the knee-jerk reaction is to give back (or pay it forward) which brought me to this notion of honoring those we have lost. However, no good deed goes unpunished 
Keep up the good fight rolygate.
Keep up the good fight rolygate.
What you say is true, and an interesting illustration of the phenomenon of e-cigarettes: something that will save millions of lives, but has produced a violent reaction from the commercial interests who will lose out.
Something very simple, that is being made out to be complex or dangerous.
Potentially the biggest boost to public health since the invention of antibiotics, but being desperately resisted by people who will lose fortunes as a result. 500 million lives that could be saved, but billions of dollars lost as a result. Just the way it is. Life or money.
There will always be people prepared to kill thousands in order to pay their mortgage, and ECF is an easy target.
Something very simple, that is being made out to be complex or dangerous.
Potentially the biggest boost to public health since the invention of antibiotics, but being desperately resisted by people who will lose fortunes as a result. 500 million lives that could be saved, but billions of dollars lost as a result. Just the way it is. Life or money.
There will always be people prepared to kill thousands in order to pay their mortgage, and ECF is an easy target.
It seems to me this thread has run its course and while not completely OT, and considering I will probably not run into rolygate often, and since private messaging isn't an option - I would like to take this opportunity to share a short story by Andy Weir entitled, "The Egg" which was shared with me by another member of ECF. There are religious undertones but of no specific denomnations so I hope it will brighten up your day as it did mine.
This is a video interpretation
The Egg - by Andy Weir (with subtitles) - YouTube
Thank you and keep paying it forward.
This is a video interpretation
The Egg - by Andy Weir (with subtitles) - YouTube
Thank you and keep paying it forward.
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I've reviewed this thread and we'll definitely give the idea some thought. I can't make any promises as to the outcome, as roly has brought up some very valid points.
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