Might sell my 901

[karenrcg]

Now we know that if you smoke 2 packs a day for 10 years, 20 years 30 years, ur chances of diseases increase. you can get lung cancer, heart disease, etc. But what happens to an e-smoker smoking constantly for 10 years, 20 years? will it take so long for problems? Again point being. there are a lot of things out there, that if u consumed in quantities compared to a heavy cigarette smoker, they will kill you much quicker then a cigarette.

Paladinx no disrespect but have you ever watched anyone die from a smoking related disease?
It isn't something I would wish on anyone.
Of course e-smoking is a risk, we are taking a chance with the unknown.
BUT I would much rather take my chances with an e-cig than continue to smoke something that I know has a pretty good chance of killing me.
At the end of the day it is all down to personal choice if you want to take that risk or not.

 

[Elendil]

If you only smoked a handful of cigarettes a week. I gurantee you that it would not cause u much harm..

Wow, most people who have responded to your thread have done so rationally and with the caveat that we readily admit that we do not know for certain the ecigs are harmless only that almost everyone here who has stopped analogs in favor of ecigs simply feels better. To me assuming all of these good folks are being truthful, is pretty compelling evidence in favor of ecigs, but still doesn't "prove" anything about the long term effects.

But then, in your response, I read one of the most laughable statements that I have ever seen......... You guarantee??? Please post your medical degree here and then perhaps your "guarantee" would have some merit, but until then, your "opinion" (that is all it is) is just as uninformed as all of us fools allowing the Chinese to slowly kill us.............

 

[praga]

I can only speak from personal experience here, but since I started vaping I feel way better. I can breathe better, smell better, taste better, I no longer reak of cigarettes and nether does my house or car. I had been smoking analogs for 20 years at a rate of 2 packs a day.

I agree wholeheartedly that there are many unknowns and I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that ecigs are healthy, but i have no doubt that they are healthier than analogs. This forum has been around for quite a while and the only bad side effect Ive seen is the occasional PG allergy.

 

[paladinx]

Maybe i made a stupid statement by saying "i gurantee". I apologize. But that is my strong opinion.

The comment that i feel is even more silly is. "As for not liking stuff that comes from china, I take it you don't own a computer, radio, television, childrens toys, clothes or anything else since you might be electrocuted or somesuch."

So you are going to compare electronics to products that you ingest???


so again it might turn out that e-smoking is 20 percent, 50, 98 percent less harmful then cigarettes. It might turn out to be illegal and banned because everyone in 10 years starts getting disease. Who knows. one thing i do know from common sense. Whenever you use anything to an extreme. whether its tobacco smoke, drinking soda, or eating unhealthy. Large consumption extreme will most likely do you harm. Most of us are addicts. and u know many of us are going to consume ENORMOUS levels of whatever is in these e-cigarettes. We will be consuming much more of these ingredients then anyone currently anticipates for PG exposure etc. I think its good to keep that fact in mind.

Sorry for the long post. I apologize. Shouldnt write a life story with each post. ill make them shorter from now on.

Anyway. You all make great points. And I would imagine that once you switch from cigarettes to e-smoking, a lot of the crap from smoking such as the tar etc is being flushed out of your system, since e smoking does not contain tar. So perhaps you are feeling better because you are ridding the damage that the cigarettes have been doing for years, with their specific harmful ingredients. But what i am trying to say is, maybe the E-cigarettes harms you in a completely different way then cigarettes do. Perhaps we will find out one day that constant ingestion of PG does not give you lung cancer, but does something else equally harmful. Perhaps you breath better and feel better in the short term, but you end up getting chronic kidney disease or some other crap from over exposure to a chemical.


The message i was trying to convey to you guys, which I think was not fully realized, is about consumption. If i addict myself to e smoking the same way i am addicted to cigarettes, who here can say with certainty that in 10 years all that PG and other crap in these things wont cause me big problems? Its not really about smoking vs esmoking, Its about changing one addiction to another addiction in large volumes. while thinking you are much safer because of the short term beneficial effects you receive.

Its not really about smoking vs esmoking to me. I want to quit smoking. that is the goal. But should i do soemthing that MIGHT be just as bad in the long run. Or should i do the right thing or go cold turkey. Or even try something else, like snus. That is the decision i am trying to make. maybe our body and lungs just need a damn break from inhaling anything. `

 

[praga]

If you can quit cold turkey you're better man than me. I've tried and failed countless times.

No doubt there is a risk, but I think I can speak for many vapers by saying that if tomorrow we couldnt vape we'd pick up where we left off with analogs. I'm going to go with what I perceive to be the lesser of the 2 evils.

harm reduction.

 

[CJsKee]

I don't care anymore if e-smoking is as bad. It is cheaper, it doesn't make me stink, it doesn't make me cough, it tastes nicer. If I spout horns and drop dead in 10 years from ecigs, so be it. Would have happened with the cigs anyway.

Exactly!!!

 

[praga]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Klimpt
I don't care anymore if e-smoking is as bad. It is cheaper, it doesn't make me stink, it doesn't make me cough, it tastes nicer. If I spout horns and drop dead in 10 years from ecigs, so be it. Would have happened with the cigs anyway


Exactly!!!

+1 to that

 

[paladinx]

one last analogy. Make believe right now the cool thing to do or the new epidemic was legal crystal ..... and now a new trend came along, brand new, the tobacco cigarette. Marketed as a safer alternative to crystal .... from an organic all natural crop, tobacco. Not much is known about it, but people start switching to smoking tobacco. as they make the change all the negative effects from crystal .... start disappearing. They feel a lot better now, they can think clearly, their teeth have stopped rotting, their skin has gotten better. They can get back to their life and work. etc. now during this time all the people on the tobacco forum are going to list all the positive effects they received from switching to tobacco. They all think they are on the right track, and become heavy tobacco chain smokers. Six months or a year or two later some come back to the forum to report they developed a minor cough, or some mucuous. Still no one thinks much of it, they feel much better on tobacco then crystal ..... Little do we all know that in 20 years from now a lot of us might start dropping like flys. In fact, how long did it really take since the introduction of tobacco smoke for the general public to know the real dangers in smoking? how long has e smoking been around? sure tobacco smoking is probably much better then crystal ...., but wouldnt you say those peopel were better off just quiting crystal .... and not smoking tobacco?

some food for thought.

 

[praga]

one last analogy. Make believe right now the cool thing to do or the new epidemic was legal crystal ..... and now a new trend came along, brand new, the tobacco cigarette. Marketed as a safer alternative to crystal .... from an organic all natural crop, tobacco. Not much is known about it, but people start switching to smoking tobacco. as they make the change all the negative effects from crystal .... start disappearing. They feel a lot better now, they can think clearly, their teeth have stopped rotting, their skin has gotten better. They can get back to their life and work. etc. now during this time all the people on the tobacco forum are going to list all the positive effects they received from switching to tobacco. They all think they are on the right track, and become heavy tobacco chain smokers. Six months or a year or two later some come back to the forum to report they developed a minor cough, or some mucuous. Still no one thinks much of it, they feel much better on tobacco then crystal ..... Little do we all know that in 20 years from now a lot of us might start dropping like flys. In fact, how long did it really take since the introduction of tobacco smoke for the general public to know the real dangers in smoking? how long has e smoking been around? sure tobacco smoking is probably much better then crystal ...., but wouldnt you say those peopel were better off just quiting crystal .... and not smoking tobacco?

some food for thought.

hehe, thats an easy one. If it took smoking analogs to get off the .... I'd smoke like a chimney. Once again, harm reduction. I believe tobacco to be healthier to an extreme degree than crystal ..... I've seen friends' health seriously decline after heavy .... use and it happens way quicker than when smoking cigs.

 

[paladinx]

yes in that particular example. Smoking cigs is better then crystal ..... there is a harm reduction. Same can be true with e smoking, or not. I dont have the answer.

But even so, in this example. The person who switched to tobacco smoking and lived 20 years then died of lung cancer. Do you think he would only want to live 20 more years and die miserably? Sure the harm was reduced but he still met a terrible fate. Wouldnt he think to himself wow, i shouldnt have smoked cigarettes either? And keep in mind this is an extreme example i used, with a big harm reduction gap.

 

[strayling]

Current selection on my MP3 player: The Crystal Method - Vapor Trail.

 

[Heed]

You're not making any point that most here haven't considered. Really.

All it comes down to is that there is an unknown. Use as many poor analogies as you like -- that's what your'e saying. We know this and have, on balance, used our judgement and reason to make a decision -- it's up to you to do the same. Best of luck.

If you're looking for an opinion on whether you should just try to quit analogs without vaping, then I would say yes. Don't vape if you don't need to. If you find that you can't quit analogs, but you can stay off them if you vape, then vape. If you would rather smoke analogs than vape, then that's up to you -- but I wouldn't.

 

[Elendil]

You're not making any point that most here haven't considered. Really.

All it comes down to is that there is an unknown. Use as many poor analogies as you like -- that's what your'e saying. We know this and have, on balance, used our judgement and reason to make a decision -- it's up to you to do the same. Best of luck.

If you're looking for an opinion on whether you should just try to quit analogs without vaping, then I would say yes. Don't vape if you don't need to. If you find that you can't quit analogs, but you can stay off them if you vape, then vape. If you would rather smoke analogs than vape, then that's up to you -- but I wouldn't.

Exactly!

OP, don't fool yourself into think you are superior because you have decided not to vape and are going to think you will be better off because you are going back to analogs in moderation...........You may be healthier--no one knows but you will certainly not smell better.

 

[paladinx]

about the johnson creek smoke juice. They say they are fda regulated on their page, but the fda does not really regulate these products so i wonder how much good that really is. Sort of like having the Better business buereau on ur site lol. NIce for show.

The other thing i wonder. They say they are the only USA manufacturor, does that mean they are producing all the ingredients in the US, or are t hey simply importing the ingredients from diff places and mixing them together and selling it?

regards

 

[dedmonwakin]

about the johnson creek smoke juice. They say they are fda regulated on their page, but the fda does not really regulate these products so i wonder how much good that really is. Sort of like having the Better business buereau on ur site lol. NIce for show.

The other thing i wonder. They say they are the only USA manufacturor, does that mean they are producing all the ingredients in the US, or are t hey simply importing the ingredients from diff places and mixing them together and selling it?

regards

Are you telling me you only eat food made in America? Did you know many of the product ingredients that you consume are supplied from other countries? Do you think Chef Boyardee is totally 100% American? Meat for their canned pastas are from Brazil, as well as Hormel Chilli and Stew. This is just to mention a few. Many of our foods and daily products are from other countries. Often times, "American Made" only extends to where it was assembled...not where the supplies came from.

Many businesses and companies use import/export to their advantages. If they can get it cheaper, it will be used. Whether ingredients meet bare minimum requirements or exceeds regulated requirements, is ultimately up to the guidelines they have to follow, not by our expectations.

 

[rat]

thought i would share this as it surprised me a bit...
i visited my chinese accupunturist(for medical reasons not to stop me vaping!!) after only a little over a week of vaping an down from 20 plus analogues a day to about 5 he asked if i had been smoking less(kind a weird as he had only looked at my tongue!)
so i showed him my 901 an he smiled and said oh yes in china about 15yrs ago these were very popular.....bugger an i thought i was so futuristic!!!anyways he said there were no health scare reports he knew of an it seems they ve been vaping loads longer than us primitive westerners!!he did also show me some weird non nicotine no light cigarettes and said 4 sessions of accupuncture an chinese herbs he guarantees no more smoking....thanks dr dong(real name...honest)but i love my nicotene baby an im gonna vape away!!!!

 

[paladinx]

Alrite I will be perfectly honest. I rather give my honest opinion whether you agree or not. Sure I dont mind eating different foods from different countries. In fact a lot of countries have better quality food then we do because it is more natural etc. But these liquids mostly come from China, and no, I do not like the idea of ingesting products that come from china. They have notorious quality control problems with food products and contamination has been a very big problem there. That is why we get our electronics from China, and not our food supply. We got dog food from them and a crap load of pets here have died because of it.

 

[sherid]

This community sometimes sounds preachy. Although we should support each other, we should not be insinuating that some people are stupid for not vaping instead of smoking. There is a comfort level for everyone, and what I "thought" when I started coming here is that vapers were enjoying but not pushing their choice on smokers. That has changed. Stories about the happiness people feel are effective. Preaching the gospel of vaping is a turn off.

 

[rat]

ha ha ha love ya honesty!!!!but think ya makin a rod for ya own back my friend cos now ya ll b accused of being a racist!!!!!!i kind o got ya point first post an you obviously suffer from something i suffer from which is sometimes the more we try to explain ourselves the more trouble we get in!!!!

 

[dedmonwakin]

Alrite I will be perfectly honest. I rather give my honest opinion whether you agree or not. Sure I dont mind eating different foods from different countries. In fact a lot of countries have better quality food then we do because it is more natural etc. But these liquids mostly come from China, and no, I do not like the idea of ingesting products that come from china. They have notorious quality control problems with food products and contamination has been a very big problem there. That is why we get our electronics from China, and not our food supply. We got dog food from them and a crap load of pets here have died because of it.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Although I purchase liquid primarily from Totally Wicked because they've had their liquids analyzed....I wonder if they do this for every new batch?

Your definitely not the only one to have concerns about this. I suppose this is one of the reasons FDA stepped in.

But on the other hand,(for me) after knowing that there are 4000 chemicals in analogs, up to 60 known carcinogens, death toll from cancer. Even my grandfather died from lung cancer, not to forget to mention my ethninticity having more risks, and asthma.....I continued to take my chances with analogs......Unknown risks or moderate risks seem to out weigh known risks to for me.