Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Attacks Vaping Again

[CarolT]

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel must be the most anti-vaping hate factory anywhere. Not content with just parroting wire service spew, they publish their own fake exposés of supposedly "harmful chemicals" in e-cigarette liquids.

Lab tests reveal popular e-cigarette liquids contain harmful chemicals
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/lab-tests-reveal-popular-e-cigarette-liquids-contain-harmful-chemicals-b99583582z1-334833961.html

Besides the usual fear-mongering about diacetyl, they also call nicotine "a stimulant tied to cardiovascular disease." These media phonies don't really care about peoples' health. If they did, they wouldn't turn a blind eye to the giant Tuskegee Experiment the health establishment has created, by falsely blaming peoples' lifestyles for diseases that are really caused by infection. The truth is that they hate our freedom, and they want us to be crushed under the boot heels of politically privileged charlatans.

 

[Mazinny]

If they did, they wouldn't turn a blind eye to the giant Tuskegee Experiment the health establishment has created, by falsely blaming peoples' lifestyles for diseases that are really caused by infection. The truth is that they hate our freedom, and they want us to be crushed under the boot heels of politically privileged charlatans.

I don't frequent this sub-forum too often, but when I do I often find a reference to "infection" . I'm sorry if you have explained this before, but could you explain briefly what exactly you are talking about. is it one specific infection or different ones you are claiming are mis-diagnosed and, which disease(s) do they cause. Lot's of diseases are attributed to lifestyle choices at least partially.

Edit : Never mind, I read the other thread.

 

[Moonbogg]

No, I think they got it pretty much spot on. Diketones are dangerous and should be avoided. I'm glad to see this specific warning in the media. If people would just lose the stupid diketones, the media wouldn't have anything to really stand on. They are grasping at straws already, and if we solved the diketones issue ourselves, then they would REALLY have nothing but hot air to throw around. But if we wait until people get hurt from diketone exposure, then they will have an incredible field day and lay waste to vaping and rightfully label it as being a DANGEROUS and LUNG DESTROYING activity.

 

[AndriaD]

No, I think they got it pretty much spot on. Diketones are dangerous and should be avoided. I'm glad to see this specific warning in the media. If people would just lose the stupid diketones, the media wouldn't have anything to really stand on. They are grasping at straws already, and if we solved the diketones issue ourselves, then they would REALLY have nothing but hot air to throw around. But if we wait until people get hurt from diketone exposure, then they will have an incredible field day and lay waste to vaping and rightfully label it as being a DANGEROUS and LUNG DESTROYING activity.

There's a great line in some movie, I have no idea which... "You keep saying that, and it keeps... not happening." Which is not to say that *I* vape diketones... but I'm an extremely risk-averse person; to me, gambling is just plain crazy, so I choose not to.

But the diketone situation for vaping is very far from being actually researched in depth. What's that line the ANTZ are so fond of... "We just don't know." And we really don't. We may suspect... but that's a long, long way from knowing.


Andria

 

[CarolT]

No, I think they got it pretty much spot on. Diketones are dangerous and should be avoided. I'm glad to see this specific warning in the media. If people would just lose the stupid diketones, the media wouldn't have anything to really stand on. They are grasping at straws already, and if we solved the diketones issue ourselves, then they would REALLY have nothing but hot air to throw around. But if we wait until people get hurt from diketone exposure, then they will have an incredible field day and lay waste to vaping and rightfully label it as being a DANGEROUS and LUNG DESTROYING activity.

Avoiding all diacetyl would be very hard, because it's naturally produced by bacteria from sweat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25390046/

 

[edyle]

No, I think they got it pretty much spot on. Diketones are dangerous and should be avoided. I'm glad to see this specific warning in the media. If people would just lose the stupid diketones, the media wouldn't have anything to really stand on. They are grasping at straws already, and if we solved the diketones issue ourselves, then they would REALLY have nothing but hot air to throw around. But if we wait until people get hurt from diketone exposure, then they will have an incredible field day and lay waste to vaping and rightfully label it as being a DANGEROUS and LUNG DESTROYING activity.

this diketones thing..... that's something to do with flavors, right?

 

[Moonbogg]

Avoiding all diacetyl would be very hard, because it's naturally produced by bacteria from sweat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25390046/

You inhale your sweat juices?

 

[puffon]

Seems the publication has several anti-vaping articles.
They even state cinnamon flavor, chocolate, grape, apple, cotton candy and bubble gum flavors may cause:
"symptoms such as tremors, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, headaches, sweating, swelling, rapid heart rate, coughing and irritability."
I bet they would even find issues with my unflavored..........

 

[roxynoodle]

You inhale your sweat juices?

It makes an awesome diy. I call it BO Noodle Juice.

Now does the BO stand for body odor or popcorn lung from diacytal? You decide

 

[Jman8]

No, I think they got it pretty much spot on. Diketones are dangerous and should be avoided. I'm glad to see this specific warning in the media. If people would just lose the stupid diketones, the media wouldn't have anything to really stand on. They are grasping at straws already, and if we solved the diketones issue ourselves, then they would REALLY have nothing but hot air to throw around. But if we wait until people get hurt from diketone exposure, then they will have an incredible field day and lay waste to vaping and rightfully label it as being a DANGEROUS and LUNG DESTROYING activity.

How many lungs have been destroyed from vaping diketones?

I'll be waiting on your answer to that question for about 30 more years. If you care to answer it honestly right now, I'd welcome it.

If we could just get rid of the diketones, the flavors, the nicotine, the recreational use of vaping, the claims that it reduces cigarette cravings, the PG, the VG, and all the gear that people use, then they would have NOTHING to attack us with anymore.

Why won't you fellow vapers listen to me? We just need to appease our ANTZ overlords and get rid of all the things that might someday pose some danger to someone. If we can do this, I'm sure we'll be good to go for enjoyable vaping for at least a day. Maybe two!

 

[AndriaD]

How many lungs have been destroyed from vaping diketones?

I'll be waiting on your answer to that question for about 30 more years. If you care to answer it honestly right now, I'd welcome it.

If we could just get rid of the diketones, the flavors, the nicotine, the recreational use of vaping, the claims that it reduces cigarette cravings, the PG, the VG, and all the gear that people use, then they would have NOTHING to attack us with anymore.

Why won't you fellow vapers listen to me? We just need to appease our ANTZ overlords and get rid of all the things that might someday pose some danger to someone. If we can do this, I'm sure we'll be good to go for enjoyable vaping for at least a day. Maybe two!

Couldn't we just get rid of the ANTZ overlords? Seems a lot more logical to me. I still think firing them into space is the best solution; nobody's smoking out there.

Andria

 

[roxynoodle]

Couldn't we just get rid of the ANTZ overlords? Seems a lot more logical to me. I still think firing them into space is the best solution; nobody's smoking out there.

Andria

The bottom of the ocean would be cheaper.

 

[AndriaD]

The bottom of the ocean would be cheaper.

True! Nobody smoking down there either -- they'd be right in their element (all washed up and wet behind the ears!). But they'd probably have a problem with those deep hot-water vents, and start creating havoc for the fish. Space might be more costly, but at least they wouldn't bother anyone out there.

Andria

 

[roxynoodle]

True! Nobody smoking down there either -- they'd be right in their element (all washed up and wet behind the ears!). But they'd probably have a problem with those deep hot-water vents, and start creating havoc for the fish. Space might be more costly, but at least they wouldn't bother anyone out there.

Andria

Fish need to eat, too . So do those poor Orcas at Sea World.

 

[AndriaD]

Fish need to eat, too . So do those poor Orcas at Sea World.

Ok, I like this idea even better: chop them up into chum! Excellent!!!

Andria

 

[mcclintock]

The article claims people are vaping huge amounts of diacetyl, yet says it's because normal testing isn't sensitive enough. They disclose no numbers from their tests. I expect it's at trace levels, which is known. They don't mention cigs also produce it. Acetyl prop has only recently been considered also very bad, and is a known issue considered to be in transition. The range of variation I find concerning, not that some newspaper finds detectable levels.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Avoiding all diacetyl would be very hard, because it's naturally produced by bacteria from sweat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25390046/

But you do not inhale your sweat. Aren't you?

 

[nyiddle]

No, I think they got it pretty much spot on. Diketones are dangerous and should be avoided. I'm glad to see this specific warning in the media. If people would just lose the stupid diketones, the media wouldn't have anything to really stand on. They are grasping at straws already, and if we solved the diketones issue ourselves, then they would REALLY have nothing but hot air to throw around. But if we wait until people get hurt from diketone exposure, then they will have an incredible field day and lay waste to vaping and rightfully label it as being a DANGEROUS and LUNG DESTROYING activity.

I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. The "dangerous levels" are entirely impossible to quantify right now, everyone agrees, we don't really know how much will or won't hurt you. The safest option is to simply cut it out entirely before someone can link some disease directly to diketones. That would be the strongest platform any government agency has towards outright banning e-liquid/vaping.

 

[skoony]

Then there's this.
http://www.cardnochemrisk.com/~chem...OT_2014/Pierce_Diacetyl_SOT_2014_Abstract.pdf
Thanks to @AzPlumber for this link. I had seen this a long time ago and
forgot to archive it.
Regards
Mike

 

[AzPlumber]

Then there's this.
http://www.cardnochemrisk.com/~chem...OT_2014/Pierce_Diacetyl_SOT_2014_Abstract.pdf
Thanks to @AzPlumber for this link. I had seen this a long time ago and
forgot to archive it.
Regards
Mike

More so than all these conflicting studies is the fact that there are no reported cases of DAP lungers from smoking or vaping. If having a history of smoking is a risk factor for BO (popcorn lung) we would have seen some ecig cases by now, certainly from dual users.