Misnomers

[Iffy]

I'll give your concerns sum concern when ya invent a vaping system to replace all da current ones that have preceded ya...

BTW, speakin' of misnomers, are ya really wild?

 

[EddardinWinter]

With pre-mixed juice in a bottle, there is not any "softening, bleaching, or extracting an essence" going on anymore. Steeping may apply to the process of extracting nic. from the tobacco leaves and in the manufacturing of the flavorings. But this refers to the manufacturing of the ingredients of the e-juices but not to a premixed e-juice bottle.

Well it sounds like you know much more about this than me. I am sure everyone on the forum is gonna stop saying steeping because you don't like it.

The flavors in NETs are steeping, my friend. NETs are not fully extracted when they ship, ask anyone who is a connoisseur of them. This also applies to WTAs. You can get as hostile as you want and bold all the words you like. It does not make your dismissal of my valid points accurate.

 

[unquiet]

wow, some people are twitchy tonight.

seriously, who ...... in everyone's unicorn blood??

 

[Rocketpunk]

Try working at a B&M. I've gotten everything from "flints", to "elements", to "filters". Basically we either have to ask to look at their device, or we end up holding wicks and heads going, "This?", "No," "This?", "No," "This?" "Yes!"

I had one lady call me over the phone asking why her fishnets weren't spinning anymore. Come to find out she meant iClear 16 wicks. "You know, they look like the fishnets my dad used to catch fish with!" As for the not spinning anymore, we still weren't able to help her with that one...

 

[BillyTheWild]

The problem is that you are seeing all these terms as vocabulary. They aren't. They are a vernacular. And the vernacular of any specialized group often often has very little to do with normal vocabulary. Vernacular usually gets set by early adopters/members/leaders of whatever group/technology is in question. I take it you weren't one of them. Well, too late now.

According to this logic, that would mean that if I were one of the "early adopters/members/leaders " of e-cigarette I could have called e-cigarette “e-chicken” and it would have been OK and you must follow, no question asked, no post questioning this term is allowed! How about if the early adopters/members/leaders decided to call e-juice, “e-chicken poops”? Would that be OK. How about if they decided to refer inhaling nic. vapor as “sucking in the chicken fart”? Would that be OK? According to this logic, I should just accept it and simply enjoy "sucking in the chicken fart" without question. Nobody is allowed to question the wisdom of our great "early adopters/members/leaders". Yeah, too bad I am not one of the early adopters/members/leaders.

 

[Abe_Katz]

While I understand that steeping a pre-made or even DIY juice (excluding perhaps NETs and WTAs) means to age it, what I've found is that in describing the process to new vapers (and non-vapers) is that the word steep confuses them. As I said previously, thats why I use the word "age" as a verb to describe what I mean in that context.

In that particular context I think there is room for both steep and age. Personally I view e-liquid more akin to say fine wine or cheese than to a tea.

To use an example, when I was describing "steeping" a DIY juice Mrs. Katz (a non-vaper, who actually knows quite a bit about vaping as I won't shut up about it) was confused as to what I was doing until I told her that "To steep a juice means to let it hang around and age, and to get as Emeril calls it 'happy'."

In the context of doing a NET (which I will probably do an experiment with before too long) the concept of steeping, as one would say steep a tea, is definitely more appropriate.

Honestly I think both are correct and neither are misnomers.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I was about to give you the benefit of the doubt, OP, but now that logic is reaching...

I've seen it in a similar fashion. "If a man can be allowed to marry another man, what's to stop a man from marrying a goat? Or a chicken?" It's silly logic, really.

Also, over-use of the bold typeface is kinda frowned upon in forum etiquette.

I completely understand where you're coming from, OP, but your thread isn't going to do much to change ECF'ers (and vapers in general) from using the terms they've come to know and understand.

 

[EddardinWinter]

According to this logic, that would mean that if I were one of the "early adopters/members/leaders " of e-cigarette I could have called e-cigarette “e-chicken” and it would have been OK and you must follow, no question asked, no post questioning this term is allowed! How about if the early adopters/members/leaders decided to call e-juice, “e-chicken poops”? Would that be OK. How about if they decided to refer inhaling nic. vapor as “sucking in the chicken fart”? Would that be OK? According to this logic, I should just accept it and simply enjoy "sucking in the chicken fart" without question. Nobody is allowed to question the wisdom of our great "early adopters/members/leaders". Yeah, too bad I am one one of the early adopters/members/leaders.

I can tell you are a real pioneer of the industry, Scooter. What with you having all of 110 posts on ECF, and not knowing that NETs and WTAs are still extracting flavor when they ship...

Take a few deep breaths, you are out of your depth. You are blowing up at people trying to help you, and you are certainly well on your way to an early run in with the Mods.

 

[volume control]

Vape slang defies logic but i like it for some weird reason

 

[BillyTheWild]

This thread started out as just a discussion. Don't know why some of you get so protective about these beloved terms. Saying things like the whole world should change b/c I don't like it. I have never said that and it is not my intention at all. At times, it seems that no one can say anything remotely different from the majority. You'll get blasted and flamed just b/c you think some of the terms are wrong. It's funny world.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I like the vaping terms.

"The shaft is too long..."

"The hole is too small..."

Thanks, Busardo! ;-)

 

[Rocketpunk]

This thread started out as just a discussion. Don't know why some of you get so protective about these beloved terms. Saying things like the whole world should change b/c I don't like it. I have never said that and it is not my intention at all. At times, it seems that no one can say anything remotely different from the majority. You'll get blasted and flamed just b/c you think some of the terms are wrong. It's funny world.

It wasn't what you said, but how you said it.

 

[BillyTheWild]

I can tell you are a real pioneer of the industry, Scooter. What with you having all of 110 posts on ECF, and not knowing that NETs and WTAs are still extracting flavor when they ship...

Take a few deep breaths, you are out of your depth. You are blowing up at people trying to help you, and you are certainly well on your way to an early run in with the Mods.

I disagree. Your definition of "extraction" must be different from what I understand it to be.

BTW, what does post count has to do with anything? So you log over 2000 posts, does it automatically mean you know it all?

Really, what is the problem here. Why are you so hostile? Let's just say I am wrong about steeping. Why couldn't you explain it to me in a nice manner?

 

[Abe_Katz]

I like the vaping terms.

"The shaft is too long..."

"The hole is too small..."

Thanks, Busardo! ;-)

Here's one for you, happened right in front of my wife too.

Me to B&M Clerk: "I would like to buy some 18650s"

Clerk to me: "Would you like those with or without nipples?"

Mrs. Katz got red in the face. I think she had an "impure" thought.

 

[BillyTheWild]

It wasn't what you said, but how you said it.

This is what I say in the first post in this thread. Please tell me what's so offensive about it.

There are a few terms used in the vaping community that annoy me a bit:

Analog Cigarette

Steeping e-juice:
Steeping is the process of extracting flavors, coloring or other components from a substance by soaking it in a liquid. There is nothing to extract when you get pre-mixed e-juices in a bottle, so it's not steeping. I think aging is more accurate a term to use.
(Also, it is usually recommended to have the cap off when “steeping” e-juices as in letting wine breathe. But the surface area in contact with air is so small that I doubt that it is doing anything. For this reason, in wine drinking, you let the wine breathe by pouring it in a glass or a decanter to allow for greater surface area to come into contact with air. But this is another topic altogether.)

Mechanical Mod:
When I first heard about this term, especially “all mechanical mod”, I had this image, LOL:
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Or this:
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[MartiP]

Why are you so hostile? Let's just say I am wrong about steeping. Why couldn't you explain it to me in a nice manner?

Perhaps if you'd initially approached the subject in a nice manner, people might have. If you walk into a forum where hundreds and thousands of people happily use a common terminology, and start telling them they are all wrong, you'll get some pushback. Why are you surprised at that? Starting a conversation would have been, "Funny how we all use the term steeping, when that's not technically what it means..." You would have gotten a different response. Starting out with "You people are all wrong" comes across very differently.

 

[Rocketpunk]

It wasn't that post, but the other replies. Either way, it doesn't bother me. Like I said, I deal with people every day who call things "filters", "elements", "flints"... so misnomers roll off my back.

 

[MartiP]

Oh, and I'll add that you may well have not intended to come across that way. Tone is really hard to judge online. But yeah, it came across that way.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I disagree. Your definition of "extraction" must be different from what I understand it to be.

BTW, what does post count has to do with anything? So you log over 2000 posts, does it automatically mean you know it all?

Really, what is the problem here. Why are you so hostile? Let's just say I am wrong about steeping. Why couldn't you explain it to me in a nice manner?

Re-read the entire thread. You may answer your own question as to what the problem is. After your first post, just about every one you have made has been hostile and aggressive.

I never said I know it all. I don't even consider myself to be an expert on them. I vape a lot of NETs, and have been doing so for about a year now. I have tried NETs from quite a few vendors and have learned a thing or two about them while enjoying the vape. I don't need to "know it all" to know more about NETs and WTAs than what you have shown me.

My first post in the thread simply showed what the definition of steep was and asked you a question. I also explained that even if the steeping extraction term was imperfect, it was not completely off-base. You came back at me with some bolded and aggressive nonsense, so I responded in kind. I do not ever react to aggressive behavior with appeasement. I am not known as a hostile poster on ECF. The only warnings I have ever gotten from the Mods have been for suggestive photos.

If you keep it up with the attitude you have shown here, you will meet one of them sooner rather than later. Just settle down a bit. People who disagree with you are not out to get you, they just disagree.

 

[chellemmm]

+ 1 for the "conversate." I hate that.