Missouri bill (HB 1345) would ban sale of any “tobacco-derived product and vapor product” to a minor

[Bill Godshall]

Missouri legislation (HB 1345) would ban sale of any “tobacco-derived product and vapor product” to a minor
Missouri House of Representatives
Missouri House of Representatives
http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills141/biltxt/intro/HB1345I.htm

 

[Bill Godshall]

Another Missouri bill (HB 1690) would ban “alternative nicotine product” and “vapor product” sales to minors (and is very similar to HB 1345 except that HB 1690 also applies to "alternative nicotine products", while HB 1345 also applies to "tobacco-derived products")
Missouri House of Representatives
Missouri House of Representatives
http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills141/biltxt/intro/HB1690I.htm


Please note that both HB 1345 and HB 1690 would require all sellers of vapor products, tobacco derived products and/or alternative nicotine products to obtain a retail sales tax license (to ensure payment of state sales taxes).

 

[jwag1973]

Bill, as a resident of Missouri I appreciate seeing these threads. The local media and Vape shops are either clueless, or could careless about potential regulations headed our way. Keep up the good work.

 

[cmknight]

Would the Nightshade family of nicotine containing vegetables lump in with "alternative nicotine products"?

 

[Bill Godshall]

Another Missouri bill (SB 841) would ban sale of alternative nicotine products and vapor products to minors (same as HB 1690)
SB841 - Modifies provisions relating to alternative nicotine or vapor products
http://www.senate.mo.gov/14info/pdf-bill/intro/SB841.pdf

 

[fajuvo]

This isn't a bad thing right? I wouldn't want to see a kid with an ecig in their mouth...

 

[Agorizer]

A sales tax #/retail sales license is required of any/all retail sales establishments ALREADY; this is just more words on paper. Its only real purpose must be to register us (yes, I sell and have said sales tax #), so that THEN they can require the "tobacco" license....
From the summary:
"The Department of Revenue is then required to provide a list of every establishment that sells such products to the Division of Liquor Control. The Division of Liquor Control shall have authority to inspect all stores for compliance. This act also modifies provisions relating to Division of Liquor Control inspections."

 

[Agorizer]

After reading both actual bills, I see that FOR NOW, the registration of the seller (through the sales tax system) as a purveyor of nicotine is "just" to limit sales to minors. BUT, gov't ALWAYS keeps expanding. Once they got you in the system, you're an easy target for the 80% wholesale taxes and requirements to deal only with licensed wholesalers crap that is being proposed in other states. Regulatory capture, anyone?.....

 

[Jay-dub]

Missouri...
We elected a majority of Republicans to the state house because they ran with the "anti-government, anti-nanny-state" rhetoric. Once in power they made it illegal for strippers to strip. You heard me right - strippers, at work in a strip club, cannot strip. I guess a few of the legislators got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and had something to prove to their spouses. So long as the Reps don't get caught by their spouses spending vacation money on vape gear - we ought to be alright. We have some of the loosest anti-tobacco legislation of the nation. We also have some very lobbyist friendly legislators. There's a bar near the Capitol building. Hang out there with your checkbook and the Reps will approach you. They'll ask who you are and what you can do for them. You'll say, and they'll mention they could use some funding. If you don't give them enough, they'll mention that the legislative competition is more "serious". You then show them that you're serious too. It's more auctioneering than legislating but welcome to Missouri!

 

[Agorizer]

This isn't a bad thing right? I wouldn't want to see a kid with an ecig in their mouth...

Why of course, and every law has its intended effect, and no UN-intended effects. Kids never EVER are seen with analogs or alcohol since it's illegal.
Anyone who advocates for more laws or regulation deserves what ever they get. Sad thing is, those who know better get it as well.
Ask for "protection", and they'll give it to ya; good and hard....

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Missouri...
We elected a majority of Republicans to the state house because they ran with the "anti-government, anti-nanny-state" rhetoric. Once in power they made it illegal for strippers to strip. You heard me right - strippers, at work in a strip club, cannot strip. I guess a few of the legislators got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and had something to prove to their spouses. So long as the Reps don't get caught by their spouses spending vacation money on vape gear - we ought to be alright. We have some of the loosest anti-tobacco legislation of the nation. We also have some very lobbyist friendly legislators. There's a bar near the Capitol building. Hang out there with your checkbook and the Reps will approach you. They'll ask who you are and what you can do for them. You'll say, and they'll mention they could use some funding. If you don't give them enough, they'll mention that the legislative competition is more "serious". You then show them that you're serious too. It's more auctioneering than legislating but welcome to Missouri!

Bartle fought for that (and more) for 8 years or so, but what made opponents finally give in to some of his restrictions was all the adult billboards that sprung up along the interstates that got the attention of the vocal voters who put the pressure on them. Never been to a club, but a 6 foot buffer zone, no alcohol, no full nudity would not be what I would expect if I were to choose to go into one.

How does that relate to vaping and what should we learn from that? => The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[Jay-dub]

Bartle fought for that (and more) for 8 years or so, but what made opponents finally give in to some of his restrictions was all the adult billboards that sprung up along the interstates that got the attention of the vocal voters who put the pressure on them. Never been to a club, but a 6 foot buffer zone, no alcohol, no full nudity would not be what I would expect if I were to choose to go into one.

How does that relate to vaping and what should we learn from that? => The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

There are lessons to be drawn from chaos? I was just trying to highlight what a load of bull many professed ideologies are. Payday loans has been my family's business for more than 20 years. All that time Dem's were the one's trying to put us out of business. Dem's here made strange bedfellows with the religious community in order to pool resources and get a ballot measure passed that would have effectively eliminated PDL's in Missouri. That's not even the interesting part. The ballot measure, forwarded by a Democrat, was tossed out by our Attorney General, who is also a Democrat. Turns out, our Attorney General had a younger sibling who just lost a mudslinging race against another Democrat. The Democrat that trounced her sibling was the one who submitted the signatures for the ballot measure. Just enough of those signatures where thrown out to defeat the ballot measure and demoralize the Dem who submitted it. Interesting how things work...

 

[twgbonehead]

Bartle fought for that (and more) for 8 years or so, but what made opponents finally give in to some of his restrictions was all the adult billboards that sprung up along the interstates that got the attention of the vocal voters who put the pressure on them. Never been to a club, but a 6 foot buffer zone, no alcohol, no full nudity would not be what I would expect if I were to choose to go into one.

How does that relate to vaping and what should we learn from that? => The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Actually, I think with the 6-foot zone and no alcohol, Squeaky got a lot less grease. (As did Bunny, LeFleur,......)

 

[molimelight]

Bartle fought for that (and more) for 8 years or so, but what made opponents finally give in to some of his restrictions was all the adult billboards that sprung up along the interstates that got the attention of the vocal voters who put the pressure on them.

The irony there is that, legislation was passed to limit billboards along interstates and, due to heavy lobbying ($) by the billboard industry, it was delayed to allow the billboard companies to go absolutely stupid crazy and put a billboard every twenty feet or so along the major highways. Now most of them are advertising for the billboard space. Looks lovely.

I used to live in Jefferson City and drove by the capitol building going to and from my house to work. Many a time I had to steel myself from just pulling over and grabbing one of those hillbilly idiots and beating them like one of the guys who attacked Dan Rather, and just keep asking them, "Kenneth, what is the frequency?"

 

[dhock50]

I live in Missouri also and have a letter prepared that I would like to send to representatives. Would would I contact for the most impact? I am not very much into politics, but I am tired of hearing about the bans and regulations and so on and want to try to do my part in this battle, thanks

 

[Bill Godshall]

Thanks dhock50

Per your inquiry, both HB 1690 and HB 1345 were referred to the MO House Committee on General Laws
Missouri House of Representatives

The Senate bill has not yet been referred to a committee.

 

[Jay-dub]

I live in Missouri also and have a letter prepared that I would like to send to representatives. Would would I contact for the most impact? I am not very much into politics, but I am tired of hearing about the bans and regulations and so on and want to try to do my part in this battle, thanks

Getting a hold of "Stanley Cox" couldn't hurt. And the State Attorney General's office is a good place for data and statistics.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Last week, the MO House General Laws Cmte approved bill (HB 1690) to ban sales of “vapor products” and “alternative nicotine products” to minors
Missouri House of Representatives
http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills141/biltxt/commit/HB1690C.htm


On Monday, a Missouri Senate Cmte substituted and recommended passage of a bill (SB 841) to ban the sale of “vapor products” and “alternative nicotine products” to minors
SB841 - Modifies provisions relating to alternative nicotine or vapor products
http://www.senate.mo.gov/14info/pdf-bill/comm/SB841.pdf


Looks like the Missouri legislature will approve one of these bills.

 

[Agorizer]

While I'd rather they all go home and leave me alone; as expressed in 407.926.3 ...
"Notwithstanding any provision of law or rule to the contrary, alternative nicotine products and vapor products shall only be sold to persons eighteen years of age or older, but shall not be taxed or otherwise regulated as tobacco products."
is probably the best we could hope for--sales AGE-regulated as tobacco, but not taxed as such. I'm amazed that (IF) RJR isn't trying (doesn't try at the last minute in conference) to strip the tax exemption.

 

[rothenbj]

While I'd rather they all go home and leave me alone; as expressed in 407.926.3 ...
"Notwithstanding any provision of law or rule to the contrary, alternative nicotine products and vapor products shall only be sold to persons eighteen years of age or older, but shall not be taxed or otherwise regulated as tobacco products."
is probably the best we could hope for--sales AGE-regulated as tobacco, but not taxed as such. I'm amazed that (IF) RJR isn't trying (doesn't try at the last minute in conference) to strip the tax exemption.

I'm curious, why do you believe RJR would look for taxation?