Mixing fruits and custards!?!

[Dearth Vapir]

Anyone else struggle with this?

I find That if I add custard (I use the best and strongest I've heard of - 'Capella Vanilla Custard V1', but same happens with other 'lesser' custartds I've tried) to a fruit flavour I've blended to my satisfaction, that it kills all the fruitiness (except for in the smell) by the time I can taste the custard at all, and if I mix up the custard first until it has a proper 'custardy' flavour, then add fruit flavours until it tastes 'fruity', then the 'custardyness' similarly vanishes, not even leaving a hint of vanilla, except for in the smell.

If I make a blended mix adding fruit and custard at the same time, taste testing all the way I still cannot get a balance, and even going as high as 35+% flavour, I just cannot get it to come out tasting of fruit*+*custard, even trying very careful small addition balancing acts I cannot get the outcome I'm after...

I've added pure vanillin to try and up the custard outcome, and/or acid blend (LorAnn T&S)to up the fruitiness, but again the effects just refuse to balance!

I use VG as my base and I know this carries flavour less than PG, however the flavours are PG based so with about 35% flavour added this should start to be mitigated somewhat, surely?..

Anyways, just looking for any possible solutions, or failing that some other similar sufferers to cry along with me lol!

Cheers, and be well folks ',;~}~


Shaun/DV

 

[Mrdaputer]

Not sure I can help you but will try. 35% flavor is way too high. Also with custard it tends to need to steep. So what you make up today will taste different in a couple of weeks. First things first what are you vaping with as far as tank and battery? Have you tried to make some juice and either let it steep or heat steeping it? Are you keeping notes? What fruit flavors are you using? I would suggest making several 10 ml batches using the same flavors but different percentages and test them after a little steep

 

[Hans Wermhat]

CAP VCV1 has a flavor all it's own and it's super potent. I only used it a couple of times (when I found out how much diacetyl was in it I got rid of it) but found it doesn't play well with fruits.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Not sure I can help you but will try. 35% flavor is way too high. Also with custard it tends to need to steep. So what you make up today will taste different in a couple of weeks. First things first what are you vaping with as far as tank and battery? Have you tried to make some juice and either let it steep or heat steeping it? Are you keeping notes? What fruit flavors are you using? I would suggest making several 10 ml batches using the same flavors but different percentages and test them after a little steep

Cheers Mrdapuer,

I've been at this a while - 'not my first rodeo' as they say, and I have used several set-ups, but at the moment it's a DIY copper mech. mod with silver contacts, 18650 high current battery, and Derringer RDA with dual coil set-up running about 0.2 Ohm. I have heated/shaken/vaped right away; I have steeped for between 3 days and 2 weeks with occasional reheating, and although things improve after a few days to a week, not by much and they don't improve anymore after that.

Fruit flavours I've used have been FA, TPA/TFA, Capella, Tasty Puff, LorAnn, and others, and flavours anything from Apple, Dragon Fruit, Cherry, Blackcurrant, Blackberry, Raspberry, Blueberry, Peach, Apricot, Mango, Passion fruit, Guava and so on.

Tried doing small batches of various %ages, bought loads of bottles in various sizes from 10ml up to 30ml with 7 different colour coded caps and a couple notebooks etc. solely for the purpose of recipe testing and keeping, but eventually gave up on all that out of sheer boredom with the process and eventual lack of any need to, and now I just eye-ball and wing all my blends on the fly, just like I mix my metaphors lol! I have no problem hitting tasty vapes 99% of the time within minutes, except for when I try to mix fruits and custards, where it all falls down.

CAP VCV1 has a flavor all it's own and it's super potent. I only used it a couple of times (when I found out how much diacetyl was in it I got rid of it) but found it doesn't play well with fruits.

Cheers Hans - I'm starting to wonder if it contains the same stuff used in the smoothing 'mask' type additives that just kills off all top-notes?!?

I've also tried it with the custard I consider a close 2nd place to it which is PA's Vanilla Custard, and that too also has mutually exclusive cohabitation issues with fruits for me.

Any other 'custard' flavours I've tried never taste anything at all like custard to me to start with, let alone when mixed with anything at all/fruit or otherwise... maybe I should just give up on the fruit/custard combo attempts, but the only other 'ADV' blends I like (complex fruit/RY4/tobacco absolute/nutty/acetyl pyrizine type stinky mixes) my wife cannot stand the remotest whiff of, literally without retching heheh...

Cheers guys, maybe I'll learn of some kind of solution eventually!

Be well ',;~}~

Shaun/DV

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I have one vanilla flavor that mixes well with fruits, but it's not custardy at all. It's more of a cream soda type vanilla flavor. Not super sweet, only slightly creamy, natural vanilla kinda thing. It likes cherry and peach a lot. Works well in bakery type mixes.

 

[Mrdaputer]

Sounds like you know what you are doing. For my custard base I use both Caps and TFA mixed together. Don't be afraid to add a little something else into your mix. Like vanilla cream or bavarian cream or French vanilla maybe vanilla swirl. I find by adding a little something something help blend all the flavors together.

 

[Jdurand]

Hans,
Did you also notice that when you mix a fruit into the custard it doesn't turn the same color with steeping. My first attempt at a razberry custard stayed clear and also had no custard taste after a weeks steep.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

I have one vanilla flavor that mixes well with fruits, but it's not custardy at all. It's more of a cream soda type vanilla flavor. Not super sweet, only slightly creamy, natural vanilla kinda thing. It likes cherry and peach a lot. Works well in bakery type mixes.

Well don't keep it a secret dude what is it?!? ',;~}~

Cheers,

Shaun.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Sounds like you know what you are doing. For my custard base I use both Caps and TFA mixed together. Don't be afraid to add a little something else into your mix. Like vanilla cream or bavarian cream or French vanilla maybe vanilla swirl. I find by adding a little something something help blend all the flavors together.

Yeah I've tried the two together as well, but to me they taste almost exactly the same, just the Caps somewhat more potent so I didn't see the point after a while.

Haven't tried any of the 'cream' type flavours, or the FrV or Vsw, maybe give them a shot sometime - thanks again for the input ',;~}~

Shaun.

Edited to add: "Sounds like you know what you are doing." - Yeah I appear to be good at giving false impressions lol! Cheers again ',;~}~

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Did you also notice that when you mix a fruit into the custard it doesn't turn the same color with steeping.

Naw. It was one of the 1st things I ever tried and haven't gone back to it. Just worked with fruits for a while, but getting into tobaccos the last couple of months. I'll work my way back around to custards someday though.

Well don't keep it a secret dude what is it?!? ',;~}~

It's Inawera Vanilla Concentrate. It's very vapeable as a stand alone at 5% if you like cream sodas. Use it sparingly in mixes though. Like .5% for starters. It can over power some flavors.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

It's Inawera Vanilla Concentrate. It's very vapeable as a stand alone at 5% if you like cream sodas. Use it sparingly in mixes though. Like .5% for starters. It can over power some flavors.

Thanks again Hans will keep my eye open for that one see if any of my UK vendors hold it - cheers!

Shaun.

 

[Dearth Vapir]

Hey there Hans - just ordered a 15ml bottle of the Inawera Vanilla from theecigshop uk, along with a few different fruit flavours and some malic acid sour additive (the LorAnn T&S stuff I got isn't too good IMO - it has acidity regulator (potassium citrate) which kills some of the effect, and not all the acids in the mix are the tart flavour I'm after, plus it leaves a fair bit of unvapable residue behind that clogs the hell outa my coils even at just 1 drop/10ml finished juice).

Anyway, will be having another go at trying to hit a good vanilla/custard/fruit/tart balance this coming week - cheers for the pointer, looking forward to checking out that vanilla - vanilla is one of my favourite food flavours and I bake it into almost everything sweet, even used to add pure vanillin crystals to my coffee, when I still drank coffee ',;~}~

Cheers,

Shaun.