I just ordered a 236ml bottle of unflavored 36 strength 50/50 from mount baker Vapor along with blueberry flavoring. I love this flavor and the 36 strength due to having quit dipping Copenhagen six months ago. They discontinued the 36 due to some nicotine poisoning and now offer it only in their DIY section. I tried the 24 and it's just not strong enough for my needs. Will I have to wing it, or is there a mixing chart(s) available? If not, can someone tell me a rough ratio to start out with? I was ordering it with 3 extra shots.
Mixing Straight Juice With Flavoring
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If it's the flavoring that you ordered, I don't understand the last sentence about the "3 extra shots".
e juice me up is a free calculator you can download. That being said with flavor and a 36mg nic base you will not hit 36 mg as a finished product. Most DIY is between 10-20% flavoring. so 10% flavoring and 90% base it will be a bit less, still considerable higher than 24. I would try 1ml of flavor and 9 mls of base and go up as needed.this will put you somewhere around 32MG
I was buying their blueberry juice and ordering it with 3 additional shots of flavoring. What I need to do now is try to match that as best I can. They're not about to give their mixture ratios out. It's going to be a matter of experimentation, but I need a baseline on where to start.
As said previously, start with about 10% blueberry flavoring. I assume you have the flavor extract? I read your first post several times and it is kinda confusing.
Honestly if you're making DIY juice you'll be better off ordering the actual nicotine base from a DIY sites (e.g. wizard labs). Last time I checked MBV charged $35 for unflavored base and only provided up to 48mg/mL. You can get that for about half their price at many places. This will also allow you to get your desired juice level since you aren't already starting out with the level you want.
Sounds like the only thing you're missing in the mix is the amount of flavoring. One of the calculators will give you a starting point for that. Start low and keep adding the flavor until it suits you.
The amount of flavoring concentrate to use depends on the flavor.
There are different types of flavorings, like oil based and water based.
The amount to use varies widely I think from low like 3% to as high as 30% in some cases.
You can ask in the diy liquid forum.
So as stated above start at
10% flavoring 1 ml flavor to 9 mls base. 32.4 mg
20% flavoring 2ml flavor to 8mls base 28.8 mg
25% flavoring 2.5ml flavor to 7.5 ml base - this is where I think you will end up. That would make this 27mg\ml strength
10% flavoring 1 ml flavor to 9 mls base. 32.4 mg
20% flavoring 2ml flavor to 8mls base 28.8 mg
25% flavoring 2.5ml flavor to 7.5 ml base - this is where I think you will end up. That would make this 27mg\ml strength
From the MBV site: "We recommend the concentrated e-juice flavoring to be mixed at 15% - 40% with Unflavored Nicotine Juice. "
Flavor West is kinda weak, FW suggest 25% to 50%. If you are getting three X-tra shots, start with 30% mix.
Good luck
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So if I'm reading this right, you have unflavoured 50/50 pg/vg nicotine juice @ 36mg/ml and you have blueberry flavouring concentrate that you wish to add to the unflavoured juice to get a final product that is both very strongly flavoured *and* still at 36mg/ml strength.
If I'm wrong, please forgive me, however if this is the case.....
If you add ... let's say 10% flavouring by volume, your final juice will be 32.4mg/ml strength as you are diluting it. At 20% it will be 28.8mg/ml.
If you want to stay up around 36mg/ml while having a large amount of flavouring you'll need to start out with a higher strength unflavoured VG nicotine liquid, add your flavouring and then dilute with PG to the required volume.
Here's how I would make 100ml of your juice.
I'd buy a bottle of 48mg VG nic and a bottle of 100mg VG nic and some plain PG from a nice vendor such as RTS Vapes.
I'd mix the two different strength nic juices together at equal volume (25ml each) so that I'd now have 50ml unflavoured nic juice @ 74mg/ml
Then I'd add however much flavouring is required eg: 20ml for 20% flavouring and then I'd add 30ml of plain PG.
The final product will be approx 100ml of 50/50 pg/vg juice at 37mg/ml assuming the flavouring liquid is PG based.
If after this you decide that 25% flavouring is what you desire, adding another 5ml of flavouring to the final product brings the total strength down to a fraction over 35mg/ml.
While testing I'd probably use smaller quantities so if you divide all quantities by 5, you'll end up with 20ml of juice at the same strength.
Of course, if 25% flavouring is actually what you need, then it is simpler to purchase a bottle of PG based nicotine as well as a bottle of VG based nicotine liquid twice as large, both @ 48mg/ml.
Simply mix half VG nic, a quarter PG nic and a quarter flavouring and you have 36mg/ml flavoured juice 50/50 with 25% flavouring.
Hope this is what you needed and I'm not just telling you what you already know
Cheers
Let us know how you go
If I'm wrong, please forgive me, however if this is the case.....
If you add ... let's say 10% flavouring by volume, your final juice will be 32.4mg/ml strength as you are diluting it. At 20% it will be 28.8mg/ml.
If you want to stay up around 36mg/ml while having a large amount of flavouring you'll need to start out with a higher strength unflavoured VG nicotine liquid, add your flavouring and then dilute with PG to the required volume.
Here's how I would make 100ml of your juice.
I'd buy a bottle of 48mg VG nic and a bottle of 100mg VG nic and some plain PG from a nice vendor such as RTS Vapes.
I'd mix the two different strength nic juices together at equal volume (25ml each) so that I'd now have 50ml unflavoured nic juice @ 74mg/ml
Then I'd add however much flavouring is required eg: 20ml for 20% flavouring and then I'd add 30ml of plain PG.
The final product will be approx 100ml of 50/50 pg/vg juice at 37mg/ml assuming the flavouring liquid is PG based.
If after this you decide that 25% flavouring is what you desire, adding another 5ml of flavouring to the final product brings the total strength down to a fraction over 35mg/ml.
While testing I'd probably use smaller quantities so if you divide all quantities by 5, you'll end up with 20ml of juice at the same strength.
Of course, if 25% flavouring is actually what you need, then it is simpler to purchase a bottle of PG based nicotine as well as a bottle of VG based nicotine liquid twice as large, both @ 48mg/ml.
Simply mix half VG nic, a quarter PG nic and a quarter flavouring and you have 36mg/ml flavoured juice 50/50 with 25% flavouring.
Hope this is what you needed and I'm not just telling you what you already know
Cheers
Let us know how you go
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Try about 20% of flavoring. So, like, I have 15ml bottles? I'd put 3ml flavoring in then fill with plain nic. Close up, shake well (leave overnight if you want to allow some steeping). I nabbed a couple of cheap hypo widgets from the pharmacy for measuring. Any "medicine measure" at a pharmacy that'll let you measure ml will do.
Work your way up if you like. Remember you're diluting the nicotine adding flavoring. 20% flavoring means only 80% nic so if your plain is, oh, round numbers tonight, 20mg/ml, you land at 16mg/ml.
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Appreciate all for the advice very much. I should have it by Friday. I think mixing 20% flavoring in 15ml bottles is the way to start out. Even after dilution I'll still have stronger juice than my current 24, which is my goal. The ole learning curve is about to commence.
The straight juice and blueberry flavoring arrived today. I got an insulin syringe from a friend and mixed up a 15ml bottle; 3.75ml of flavoring and 11.25ml of juice. I'm going to let it steep for a couple of days and see what I get. The premixed arrives clear and slowly turns a light pink, not sure if it's due to exposure to the air or what exactly. I vaped some of the straight to see what it's like, a bit peppery but not at all bad. I could go that route in a pinch.
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Don't give up. Don't be afraid to go up and down with your ratios. Took me about 20 different tries to get my current ADV down.
:thumbsup: I'm looking forward to dinking around with it. I mixed another 15ml batch with 30% flavoring shortly after my last post. I'll keep at one ml at a time until I replicate MBV's base formula, it's only a matter of time, and I've plenty of that. I'll share my final results.
Once you've got it down, i would recommend getting some flavorings from other sources. I am a big MBV advocate and have used their liquids for over a year, but their flavorings are very perfumy and tend to be on the weaker side.
Maybe find yourself another blueberry flavoring (like a Capella or The Flavor Apprentice brand for example) Upside is these other flavors can be had for less than $2 for a 1/4 oz, they are stronger so you might only need 8-15% flavoring (in my experience) and you may even like them better than the one you are currently using.
Then, it's down the rabbit hole, buying your own nic base, flavoring and spending hours in the kitchen perfecting your latest blend like some kind of mad scientist.
I know you just want to get this recipe right, but there is a massive amount of good stuff you can make with just a few bottles of flavoring and some patience and imagination.
I strongly suggest you use the ejuicemeup calculator. Also, 30% flavoring is way too high. Too much flavoring will actually reduce the taste you are shooting for. Recommend you go to the DIY forum and check out all the stickies then look up dannyv45 and hoosiers blogs. Once you've done all that reading you'll be much more prepared to mix your own juice.
I'm somewhat confused with this app. All I know is the MBV juice is 50% PG, 50% VG. What's the water ratios about? I've a bad back and it's absolutely killing me today, perhaps I'm not reading it correctly and need to go back to it when I'm feeling better.
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