mod and batteries decision

[aalmosawi]

how do you decide on the batteries for the mod??
(i plan to use it with the Vaporesso tank)

i want to either get this:
Wismec Reuleaux RX200 Box Mod

Now. as far as batteries go: i am seeing some say (LG HG2 INR18650 LIMN 3000MAH BATTERY 20A) and some say (Brillipower 18650 3100Mah 40A Battery).
Which is better? obviously they are both rather close in mah but what about the 40A vs 20A?

furthermore, do i really need an external charger when the unit can charge the batteries?

 

[edyle]

to find out about batteries check out mooch and baditudes blogs.

the best known battery is supposed to be sony vtc4.
The lg hg2 INR is very highly rated also
Never heard of the brillpower.


External charger and a lineup of batteries is relevant: lithium batteries do need relaxation time between charge/discharge modes.
Respect lithium batteries. They pack a punch, and when badly treated they can go into meltdown.
So .. do you need an external charger? For the longer term probably yes, but you could get by with onboard charging as long as you don't go charging discharging willy nilly.
You can also get better external chargers than whatever cheap charge circuit comes with the onboard charge circuit.

 

[Marc411]

Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
RTD Vapor
Illumination Supply
Orbtronics
IMR Batteries
Liion Wholesale

Check out some of @Mooch's battery blogs for other cells (and their bench tests).
There are no 18650 batteries with a genuine rating over 30A!
Battery pulse ratings are useless!
18650 Safety Grades -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With
Links to all his battery tests to date: List of My Battery Tests

Baditude's blog - Battery Basics for Mods; the Ultimate Battery Guide

 

[Susan~S]

Brillpower (just like Efest) exaggerates their amp ratings. The Brillpower cell is only 15A CDR. Go with the LG HG2.

There are only a few battery manufacturers in the world who make their own "cells", including LG, Panasonic, Samsung, Sanyo, and Sony.

All the other brands on the market buy the second and third tier cells from those manufacturers and re-wrap them under their own brand. These are "second and/or third tier cells" which did not meet the higher standards of the original manufacturer. So, in order to compete with the original manufacturers' batteries (first tier), these other companies feel obligated to publish specifications which are inflated to make them appear superior to those of the original manufacturer.

* (AW is Andrew Wan, a former Panasonic employee who branched out to create his own "brand" of batteries. He allegedly has agreements with the major cell manufacturers to purchase first tier batteries from them. Not all batteries are created equal, so AW tests these batteries for quality. The best get chosen to be AW brand, and are re-wrapped as AW.)

Why pay more for a re-wrapped cell with inflated specifications which is actually a second or third tier battery, when in most cases you can pay less for a first tier battery from the original manufacturer?

And as @edyle said, you do need an external charger.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

LG HG2 best bang for the buck.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

I have the Wismec Reuleaux RX200 and love it. I am running 3 LG HG2's in it, and since I don't vape over 30 watts with my Subtanks they last a long time. In my opinion this mod is more comfortable than any of the 2 battery mods I own.

I would limit my battery choices to the LG HG2's, Samsung 25r's or Sony VTC4's. I would get a minimum of 6 batteries so you have a spare "set of three". I also highly recommend a separate battery charger rather than using the usb. You can get a Nitecore I4 (4 bay) for $20 usd.

I've read in the forum that most battery failures occur during recharge. This is why a dedicated charger is a good idea, and you aren't tethered to the usb, just swap the batteries and go. You "marry" the batteries in sets so they all use the same equal wear and tear/usage/charging and they stay balanced where one battery doesn't pull more of the work. It's for safety.

 

[aalmosawi]

so i am also gonna get the VAPORESSO TARGET 75W VTC KIT and the website i ordered from recommended for me MXJO 3000 Mah Battery. should i discard that and just go for the LG HG2 3000maH even though its got low A. (20A) whereas the MXJO is a 35A.

 

[suprtrkr]

I run the LG HG2s in mine. For battery selection, check @Mooch 's blog: 18650 Safety Grades -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With | E-Cigarette Forum
And don't believe the 40A hype. There are two 30A batteries commonly available, and none at all over that figure. Most of them are 20A.You'll see, on the link I gave you, independent test results rating the batteries as to how they performed under lab conditions. That's where you need to be. And here's another from Mooch, to help you figure out how much battery you need in what mod according to how many watts you will vape: Calculating battery current draw for a regulated mod | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[suprtrkr]

so i am also gonna get the VAPORESSO TARGET 75W VTC KIT and the website i ordered from recommended for me MXJO 3000 Mah Battery. should i discard that and just go for the LG HG2 3000maH even though its got low A. (20A) whereas the MXJO is a 35A.

Yes, you should. MXJO are rewraps, they don't make batteries. And they are not 35A, no matter what they claim. Actually, if you're going to run that 75W one battery machine wide open, you might want Sony VTC4s in it.

 

[aalmosawi]

Yes, you should. MXJO are rewraps, they don't make batteries. And they are not 35A, no matter what they claim. Actually, if you're going to run that 75W one battery machine wide open, you might want Sony VTC4s in it.

pls remember that where i am, my battery options are limited. its basically i pack my batteries and go on a long trip so its vital the right one for the unit is necessary.

the sony vtc4 is low in mah though ?

 

[suprtrkr]

2100mAh. That's lower than the straight 20A batteries, which hold 2500-3000, depending on which. That is also the exact tradeoff. As ampacity increases, capacity decreases. I linked you to some independent tests about the batteries. The Sony VTC4s are native 20A batteries, but which will withstand discharge currents up to 30 amps without dangerous overheating. They are, IMHO, the best available compromise between battery life and ability to withstand high currents. I use them exclusively in mechanical mods and two-battery mods where I intend to vape over 100 watts. I am willing to use the LG HG2s in my RX200 mods because they are three battery mods, lowering the current per battery to produce maximum wattage due to higher native voltage. That is the first time I ever bought any vape batteries that were not VTC4s. So let me repeat: If you are going to vape a two battery mod over 100 watts, or a one battery mod over 60 watts, then use the VTC4s. If you intend to stay under those numbers, any of the above 20A batteries I listed will be fine. I understand the supply problem you endure and I am sympathetic. But the bottom line here is we're talking about a law of physics as it applies to your personal safety. That I can not change. I can recommend the RX200 mod; I have a pair of them and I feel quite comfortable using the HG2s in them. But in all my mech mods, and most of my regulated mods, one and two battery, I run VTC4s. Let me suggest you use the second link I offered to determine, by your likely usage which you should know from your existing vape, just how much ampacity you will require in the mods you are considering purchasing. From there, if 20A batteries are adequate, you can use any of the other batteries without worry and you don't have to bear the expense and lower capacity of the VTC4s. If 20A batteries are suitable for you intended usage, then buy the LG HG2s, or the Panasonic 30Qs, or the AW 20A 3000mAh batteries-- whichever you can get at the best price-- for the longest possible battery life, or any of the other batteries I named for the same ampacity and somewhat shorter life (and usually a better price).