hey guys I've been making my own juice for awhile but the last batch I made I'm having a problem with it taste great but if I let it sit in my tank for 20 min or so without taking a hit it has a real strong throat hit like I'm getting a lot more nicotine then I should but after a few gross hits it goes back to normal this has never happened does anyone have a idea what's going on with this batch?
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This sounds like more of a hardware problem than a juice issue. Same mod with different juice is ok?
I think that's pretty normal. As one is vaping, the saturation of the wick at the coil diminishes. Letting it sit for a while allows the juice to work its way back fully into the coil area. That just normal capillary action. My strongest hits are the first ones in the morning, followed by those when the mod had been sitting for a while.
I have something that sound similar; If having a break from vaping, maybe an hour or more, then the first pull afterwards has a really strong TH. The next a little more than usual and the third, exactly as usual. I remember the same from smoking, where e.g. the first drag of the morning could make you go into a coughing-fit easily and the same after a couple hours break. For some reason I believe your throat gets more sensitive after a break.
I had this issue discussed previously with another member here, and he experienced it too but thought it was because the wicks where more soaked after a break. Personally, I myself feel it's the reasoning I gave up top, as it was the same with cigs and also because I have the exact same with RDAs, where the wick isn't extra soaked after a break, and is extra soaked after each redrip, but it's only after a break it's hit you...
The only thing I can't explain is that you state you have never had this happen before, so maybe this is a seperate issue, but it sounds like really the same to me. The moment I read the threadtitle, I thought this was the issue...
Edit: It can be tested, e.g. by after a nap, then taking a drag of an RDA and then drip, wait 10 minutes and pull again and I bet the first drag after the nap was the biggest TH and not the second extra soaked one... Usually, I believe, it does take min 90 minuttes break though(and not 20 minutes like the OP suggested), for me to experience this phenomanon(and best seen after e.g. 3-4 hours break with a massive TH to boot)... It has nothing to do with "in the morning", because it's the same after a nap, which I usually do(lol, i'm 37, but likes me a good nap!
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I had this issue discussed previously with another member here, and he experienced it too but thought it was because the wicks where more soaked after a break. Personally, I myself feel it's the reasoning I gave up top, as it was the same with cigs and also because I have the exact same with RDAs, where the wick isn't extra soaked after a break, and is extra soaked after each redrip, but it's only after a break it's hit you...
The only thing I can't explain is that you state you have never had this happen before, so maybe this is a seperate issue, but it sounds like really the same to me. The moment I read the threadtitle, I thought this was the issue...
Edit: It can be tested, e.g. by after a nap, then taking a drag of an RDA and then drip, wait 10 minutes and pull again and I bet the first drag after the nap was the biggest TH and not the second extra soaked one... Usually, I believe, it does take min 90 minuttes break though(and not 20 minutes like the OP suggested), for me to experience this phenomanon(and best seen after e.g. 3-4 hours break with a massive TH to boot)... It has nothing to do with "in the morning", because it's the same after a nap, which I usually do(lol, i'm 37, but likes me a good nap!
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Is it a nicotine or over flavoring type throat hit or a burnt taste type of hit?
It's unusual that you get stronger throat hit and flavor at first vape and then it diminishes usually it's the other way around (which is also an indication something is wrong). For the most part correct hardware set up should keep the vape constant from beginning to end. If it's a burnt taste at first then you have a wick priming issue. If it's a strong flavor kick that diminishes then it could be a tank sealing issue (The wick gets over saturated when just sitting)
After the tank sits for a long time:
1. Do you get spitting, crackling and gurgling on first few hits? (Tank seal issue)
2. Do you get dry hits and burnt taste after the first few (Poor wicking issue)
It's unusual that you get stronger throat hit and flavor at first vape and then it diminishes usually it's the other way around (which is also an indication something is wrong). For the most part correct hardware set up should keep the vape constant from beginning to end. If it's a burnt taste at first then you have a wick priming issue. If it's a strong flavor kick that diminishes then it could be a tank sealing issue (The wick gets over saturated when just sitting)
After the tank sits for a long time:
1. Do you get spitting, crackling and gurgling on first few hits? (Tank seal issue)
2. Do you get dry hits and burnt taste after the first few (Poor wicking issue)
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Could also be nicotine hotspot, altho it wouln't be very consistent as it sounds like your issue is.
Did you mix and shake the nicotine solution / final juice mix well enough?
Especially true if you use VG base nicotine, easy to get hotspots then.
Other then that you've gotten plenty of good replies already. So no need for me to repeat them.
Did you mix and shake the nicotine solution / final juice mix well enough?
Especially true if you use VG base nicotine, easy to get hotspots then.
Other then that you've gotten plenty of good replies already. So no need for me to repeat them.
It is a nicotine type throat hit, like all the nic is settling down to the bottom.I'm using the baby smok tank running about 80,I've used this setup for awhile and never had a problem. thought maybe my juice did not blend well enough but I'm using the same method I've always done, and it's a lot stronger than my normal first morning drag which is strong but this is really strong. Not sure what's going on I mix 70/30 3 mg nic everything is mixed up very well and I shake the bottles really well before each refill
Lots of thoughtful ideas (and some I hadn't considered before).
I am another vote for @Atomic toys issue being hardware vs. liquid related. I am almost entirely a tank (vs. dripper) user and I have experienced this pretty uniformly across the board with the 8+ tanks I have used (including both mfg. coil heads and rebuildables).
Two things I have found that will make this "harshness" go away almost immediately is to either: do a couple (2-3) of short "priming" puffs BEFORE taking my normal puff (I'm a direct-to-lunger); or press and hold the fire button for a second or two (waiting to hear the sizzle) BEFORE taking my normal puff.
I don't know if this is more of a wicking related issue, or temperature related, or a combination of both. I just know that it does make the problem go away right away (for me anyway).
As a side note: this also seems to coincide with the times when my tank is most likely to drool/leak from the air intake slots. This is more of a dribbling effect vs. a flood like you might expect from an overfilled tank or improperly sealed tank. It also seems to have a direct relation to happening after periods of heavy vaping vs. intermittent vaping. I am guessing that it might be a result of condensation collecting, and as the tank is allowed to cool, the condensation settles to the deck, and if sufficient volume is reached; dribbles out the air channels. (Writing this just made me think that a partially obstructed airflow could also be a contributor to the harshness as well.) Removing the tank, loosely wrapping the tank bottom in a tissue, and gently blowing through the drip tip, gets rid of this problem.
This is all purely speculation on my part so please take it only as such.
I am another vote for @Atomic toys issue being hardware vs. liquid related. I am almost entirely a tank (vs. dripper) user and I have experienced this pretty uniformly across the board with the 8+ tanks I have used (including both mfg. coil heads and rebuildables).
Two things I have found that will make this "harshness" go away almost immediately is to either: do a couple (2-3) of short "priming" puffs BEFORE taking my normal puff (I'm a direct-to-lunger); or press and hold the fire button for a second or two (waiting to hear the sizzle) BEFORE taking my normal puff.
I don't know if this is more of a wicking related issue, or temperature related, or a combination of both. I just know that it does make the problem go away right away (for me anyway
).As a side note: this also seems to coincide with the times when my tank is most likely to drool/leak from the air intake slots. This is more of a dribbling effect vs. a flood like you might expect from an overfilled tank or improperly sealed tank. It also seems to have a direct relation to happening after periods of heavy vaping vs. intermittent vaping. I am guessing that it might be a result of condensation collecting, and as the tank is allowed to cool, the condensation settles to the deck, and if sufficient volume is reached; dribbles out the air channels. (Writing this just made me think that a partially obstructed airflow could also be a contributor to the harshness as well.) Removing the tank, loosely wrapping the tank bottom in a tissue, and gently blowing through the drip tip, gets rid of this problem.
This is all purely speculation on my part so please take it only as such.
Are you also getting an unussual nicotine rush/buzz with these extra-harsh hits? Or just the harshness itself? I would think if it was a settling/separation issue you would also be getting the rush of an excessively strong e-liquid along with the harshness/throat hit. If it is only throat hit I would stay with my initial thought of hardware vs. liquid separation.
Didn't most of you get the exact same with cigs in the morning i.e. after a break This is gotten too, with a fresh recoil/wick after a break(even "underdripped"), atleast for me, so personally I feel strongly it's a issue of breaking the throat in, or so to say... No matter how much I soak the wick, or not, it never happens during regular repeat normal vaping/smoking...
TH is simply throat-irritation, nothing more, and that is eased-in, like e.g. first time biting into a lemon, it's crazy sour and afterwards it's just normal slightly sour Bad example properly but i'm sure you get my drift(agreeing or not, irregardless).
I've read many stating they use lower wattage/power/temp in the morning, and I bet it's because they take that first pull and get a massive TH and before continuing more, they dial down the power/temp and think they need less power/temp in the morning. I don't, but just accept that first-pull-after-a-break is pretty taxing, but goes away immediately...
This is gotten too, with a fresh recoil/wick after a break(even "underdripped"), atleast for me, so personally I feel strongly it's a issue of breaking the throat in, or so to say... No matter how much I soak the wick, or not, it never happens during regular repeat normal vaping/smoking...TH is simply throat-irritation, nothing more, and that is eased-in, like e.g. first time biting into a lemon, it's crazy sour and afterwards it's just normal slightly sour
Bad example properly but i'm sure you get my drift(agreeing or not, irregardless).I've read many stating they use lower wattage/power/temp in the morning, and I bet it's because they take that first pull and get a massive TH and before continuing more, they dial down the power/temp and think they need less power/temp in the morning. I don't, but just accept that first-pull-after-a-break is pretty taxing, but goes away immediately...
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Lots of thoughtful ideas (and some I hadn't considered before).
I am another vote for @Atomic toys issue being hardware vs. liquid related. I am almost entirely a tank (vs. dripper) user and I have experienced this pretty uniformly across the board with the 8+ tanks I have used (including both mfg. coil heads and rebuildables).
Two things I have found that will make this "harshness" go away almost immediately is to either: do a couple (2-3) of short "priming" puffs BEFORE taking my normal puff (I'm a direct-to-lunger); or press and hold the fire button for a second or two (waiting to hear the sizzle) BEFORE taking my normal puff.
I don't know if this is more of a wicking related issue, or temperature related, or a combination of both. I just know that it does make the problem go away right away (for me anyway
As a side note: this also seems to coincide with the times when my tank is most likely to drool/leak from the air intake slots. This is more of a dribbling effect vs. a flood like you might expect from an overfilled tank or improperly sealed tank. It also seems to have a direct relation to happening after periods of heavy vaping vs. intermittent vaping. I am guessing that it might be a result of condensation collecting, and as the tank is allowed to cool, the condensation settles to the deck, and if sufficient volume is reached; dribbles out the air channels. (Writing this just made me think that a partially obstructed airflow could also be a contributor to the harshness as well.) Removing the tank, loosely wrapping the tank bottom in a tissue, and gently blowing through the drip tip, gets rid of this problem.
This is all purely speculation on my part so please take it only as such.
Are you also getting an unussual nicotine rush/buzz with these extra-harsh hits? Or just the harshness itself? I would think if it was a settling/separation issue you would also be getting the rush of an excessively strong e-liquid along with the harshness/throat hit. If it is only throat hit I would stay with my initial thought of hardware vs. liquid separation.
So I would have to summize that:
If it's a strong flavor kick/Nic hit that diminishes then it could be a tank sealing issue (The wick gets over saturated when just sitting)
1. Do you get spitting, crackling and gurgling as well as weeping from the air intake. Then it may be a (Tank seal issue).
It's really just more of a nic hit no heavy flavor no crackling or noise coming from tank I made a new batch and used the same setup no issue made the same way not sure what the issue was could of been a multitude of different things
Maybe you just mis-measured the NIC and used a little more then usual.
... I experienced this 2 times today btw, as usual, after a couple hours break... Again, it happens with smoking too, so why not with vaping, it's the same nic and TH reaction. That first inhale in the morning was hella strong with e.g. marlboro reds, but the subsequent, not so much, but just like normal... The same with my vape of course... I find it strange that it only takes, atleast for me, 2 hours roughly or more, to desensitize the throat, but it's a fact, atleast to me...
Edit: I searched alittle, and at the other place there where a similar thread where all the replies where of my reasoning above too, and e.g. this sums it up pretty good by zaroba:
"If not vaping for a while, such as right after waking up from sleeping all night, your throat will most likely be dryer then normal and is thus more sensitive to the effects of the vape. I've chatted with *many* people who notice this every morning, myself included. Simple solution is to swallow a sip of water right before taking a hit. The water moistens your throat and should drastically reduce the irritation. It will also happen when going all day without vaping. Just like getting into a cold swimming pool, your body will take a bit of time to adjust and 'get used to it'."
Edit: I searched alittle, and at the other place there where a similar thread where all the replies where of my reasoning above too, and e.g. this sums it up pretty good by zaroba:
"If not vaping for a while, such as right after waking up from sleeping all night, your throat will most likely be dryer then normal and is thus more sensitive to the effects of the vape. I've chatted with *many* people who notice this every morning, myself included. Simple solution is to swallow a sip of water right before taking a hit. The water moistens your throat and should drastically reduce the irritation. It will also happen when going all day without vaping. Just like getting into a cold swimming pool, your body will take a bit of time to adjust and 'get used to it'."
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Suggestion here to see if it is the coil soaking up e-liquid when it sits is to remove it from the MOD and turn it upside down so the liquid is not surrounding or near the cotton. I have to doubt that the e-Liquid is separating in the tank but it could be possible.
Btw, the part I quoted previously, states it goes away with drinking something, so if that's true(?), then maybe that is the reason only some feel this e.g. in the morning, as I always turn to vaping very first thing after waking up, even before my precious coffe It's always the same pattern to me i.e, first pull is big TH, second is little more than usual and third back as normal. It's funny it never fails with this pattern. I doubt though that it relates to drinking something, but honestly have no clue...
Edit: Oh, this is the thread that quote came from: https://goo.gl/gQQrfW
It's always the same pattern to me i.e, first pull is big TH, second is little more than usual and third back as normal. It's funny it never fails with this pattern. I doubt though that it relates to drinking something, but honestly have no clue...Edit: Oh, this is the thread that quote came from: https://goo.gl/gQQrfW
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Btw, the part I quoted previously, states it goes away with drinking something, so if that's true(?), then maybe that is the reason only some feel this e.g. in the morning, as I always turn to vaping very first thing after waking up, even before my precious coffe
Thanks alot @mhertz now I have to concentrate on how my vape is tomorrow morning! Never noticed a difference except maybe 6 to 8 hours without a vape makes me take a big deep long pull!
Cool Steve Though I think that if you haven't noticed it by now already, then you are better at handling those breaks and for some reason then some of us just aren't. Anyway, maybe you just haven't thought about it. We'll see (and test before drinking/eating anything, if possible)
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Though I think that if you haven't noticed it by now already, then you are better at handling those breaks and for some reason then some of us just aren't. Anyway, maybe you just haven't thought about it. We'll see (and test before drinking/eating anything, if possible)-Martin.
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