More Noob questions about 3.7v

[Coldchil]

Ok my last question , are there differences in 3.7 devices? Let me explain, I own a complete Ego set, meaning, 2 batts, attys , so on, and i understand that the Ego is a 3.7v device, a slight step up from my standard 510 batteries, I also own a Joye stick v3, also a 3.7 volt device, basically i use standard 510 cartomizers , and i just recently ordered some LR 510 cartomizers as well to use with the stick and Ego. Now im currently looking into the mod scene and have my eye on a Icon v1.1 from puresmoker.com, also a small 3.7 device, but will i basically see any difference in using it over the ego or stick? I understand its a nicely crafted device that is custom made, but basically if i spend 110.00 on the full kit(batteries included), is all that for basically the same vape in a new shiny package?

 

[projectz]

My fav PV is riva/ego 510 style with LR carto works really well with my tobacco flavor, and i own the icon v1, with full charge battery around 4.2v, if i used the lr atty, the flavour really warm to hot, or hotter than my riva with the same atty, the cons i don't really like bottom switch, but to each their own, just my .2 cents.

 

[Chornbro]

Egos actually put out 3.2v... if you want a TRUE 3.7v device, you'll need a mod or passthrough. I have the Icon's big brother, the Prodigy v3.1 and I love it. The Icon and Prodigy are built similarly, so I know you wont be disappointed.

Also, some folks have experienced battery failure when using "fat battery" mods like the Ego/Riva paired with LR attys. This wont be an issue with a true 3.7v device.

Have you tried 6v? I bought the prodigy because it was capable of 3.7v and 6v vaping with the same device. I wanted to try both. Honestly, I love them both...

Proidgy w/ a 3.7v AW 17670 battery (1600 mah) paired with a Cisco LR 306 (fits 510 threads) @ 1.5 ohms = ~9 watts

Prodigy w/ 2x AW LiFePO4 3v batteries (500 mah) for 6v vaping with Ikenvape 306 @ 3.5 ohms = ~10watts

@ 3.7v with the 17670 battery setup, I can vape for 2-3 days without charging... and the Cisco 1.5ohm 306s (Avidvaper.com) truly are amazing... but it's a drip setup which is sort of high-maintenance

@6v, the pair of 500mah batteries lasts me a day and I'm a pretty heavy vaper. The hits are extremely satisfying, so I vape a bit less @6v.

Your Ego @ 3.2v with a standard atty (lets say 2.8 ohms) = ~4 watts

Your Ego @ 3.2v with a low-res atty (lets say 2 ohms) = ~5 watts

Most people find their "sweet spot" (which is the most satisfying flavor, vapor, vapor temperature, and throat hit) between 7-10 watts.

I used a regular Joye 510 and an Ego... and I never knew what I was missing. Getting a mod with the proper atty resistance was a whole new world of vaping... I hope you try it!

Also, the 3.7v device with a nice battery is great for cartos at standard or low resistance... very satisfying.

EDIT: The short answer is that this will NOT be the same vape in a shiny package... The Icon is purely mechanical device... the Ego has wires and circuitry inside that can go bad. The basic components of the Icon are much more durable. The only thing that will eventually wear out is your battery and, of course, atomizer.

Also, you will notice a big difference... as you're bumping up your vaping wattage significantly... especially if you use their high-drawin AW IMR batteries!

 

[Coldchil]

Have not tried anything over 3.7v, i think its adequate, and im sure adding the LR carts will increase this, im afraid at 5 or 6v, it would be too much of a hit for me. Is that how it works? the more volts, the stronger the throat hit? or does it just change the flavor and vapor production?

 

[Chornbro]

Have not tried anything over 3.7v, i think its adequate, and im sure adding the LR carts will increase this, im afraid at 5 or 6v, it would be too much of a hit for me. Is that how it works? the more volts, the stronger the throat hit? or does it just change the flavor and vapor production?

Wattage is what you're looking at... basically how hot your atty burns. Wattage determines how your juice atomizes and changes the temperature of your vape, flavor, throat hit, vapor production. Dont be scared of it! It's all about pairing the proper atomizers with the proper voltage... this is why variable voltage devices are nice... but I've found that they're certainly not necessary. Mechanical mods like the icon, prodigy, silver bullet, screwdriver, etc, etc are more reliable.

3.7v works best with standard attys and low-resistance attys. Low resistance atty on 3.7 will make more wattage and will burn hotter, more vapor, more throat hit, wonderful flavor. Standard resistance attys on the same 3.7 will burn a little cooler...

6v devices will chew up standard attys... makes a wattage around 12 which is too much (burns the juice). However, with a 3.5 ohm atomizer (IkenVape), the vape is delightful (10 watts) !

Check out the example wattages in my first post, that will give you an idea of where you are and where you can be!

 

[JWebb]

welcome Coldchil, I think you have heard enought advice on the 3.7volt and what you need to do, Chornbro has it right, good luck.

 

[Chornbro]

welcome Coldchil, I think you have heard enought advice on the 3.7volt and what you need to do, Chornbro has it right, good luck.

Thanks : )

Im @ 3.7v today with a 1.5ohm Cisco 306... yesterday I was @ 6v with the IKV high-rest atomizer... just depends on my mood, but you can find your happy place @ 3.7 for sure... any other questions, just post... I'll be on!

 

[CBB]

Voltage is not so much the issue as the wattage a 3.7v device with a 2.5Ω provides a 5.5w hit the same V with a 2Ω is 6.8w and a 1.5Ω is 9 watt hit, that is hot. a 5v device with a 3Ω atty is 8.3w, with 4Ω is 6.3w and a 7.4v device with a 6Ω atty is a 9.1w. It all depends on the combination of the voltage and resistance as to what the resulting power is.

...I'm pretty sure my math is right, if not someone will come along and correct it.

 

[dormouse]

I think Riva and Ego are actually more like 3.4v. I definitely get a warmer bigger hit on Riva than 510 by just moving the same standard resistance carto to the Riva.

KR808D-1 models like Vapor4Life.com are supposedly real 3.7v devices as are many mod boxes

But the heat of the hit depends on the wattage created between the voltage and the ohms of the atomizer or carto. Attachments considered "low resistance" use battery power faster and create hotter hits and generally vaporize more juice per hit - so bigger hotter hits.

The gotcha is, you need sturdy batteries to use attys or cartos considered "low resistance" for that battery so low resistance attachments are not recommended for any battery under 450mah (so you don't use them on slim ecig batteries). And for the very low resistance ones (like 1.5 or 1.7 ohms) you may need a mod box with regulated(?) 3.7 volts batteries in it.

 

[Coldchil]

Ok well......ummmm, thanks for all the mathematical discussions,I got lost half way down, but basically going back to my original post, the Icon 1.1 wont do much for me except its a true 3.7 device, seems like there is more of a challenge of finding the right cartomizers on my Ego or Stick, rather than , just buying a shiny new device, lol. But i hate to say it, I love new Toys

 

[Sgt.Taz]

Well if your wanting a new toy I'd buy a ProVari. It's one mod made that can handle any voltage all the way up to 6V. So when your looking for an all around mod this would do pretty much what you want when you want and the beauty is if you screw up with oHms or put the wrong atty on the protection circuit will cut off before anything bad can happen. It's not cheap but well worth the investment. I'd go with the 18650 batteries on it as that is what works best at different voltages and will last you all day.

 

[dormouse]

Stick uses 801 cartos? There are mega or jumbo ones at either Madvapes or Gotvapes for 801 that the comments seemed very pleased with.

Re Ego - have you tried Boge LR (2.0)? That's what most people like. And Ikenvapes carto selection has fans too. I actually think I would like a 2.5 but I haven't spotted any yet or maybe I did and they were out of stock. I didn't buy any yet - I know that.

 

[Chornbro]

Ok well......ummmm, thanks for all the mathematical discussions,I got lost half way down, but basically going back to my original post, the Icon 1.1 wont do much for me except its a true 3.7 device, seems like there is more of a challenge of finding the right cartomizers on my Ego or Stick, rather than , just buying a shiny new device, lol. But i hate to say it, I love new Toys

The Icon's battery will provide more voltage AND amps. I didnt want to confuse you too much, so I initially left amps out of the equation. A "fat battery" 510 like the Ego/Riva cant provide the consistent amperage that a true 3.7 can... even some 3.7v batteries cant, hence the need for "high drain" batteries. If a 3.7v battery is big enough, it provides enough and doesnt need high drain to work properly on a low-res atty.

The short answer is that a true 3.7v mechanical device will be more durable, last longer, and hit better than an Ego.

Also, I've hit my Ego with a voltmeter... it's ~ 3.4v without any load...

 

[Coldchil]

Thank you Chornbro, thats the way i like it, straight and to the point, it helped alot. Still think im gonna buy it, lol

 

[Chornbro]

Thank you Chornbro, thats the way i like it, straight and to the point, it helped alot. Still think im gonna buy it, lol

Do it : ) I love my Prodigy... they're very similar devices... and my experience with Puresmoker has been great. The only real difference is the size/battery capacity. Dont discount the Prodigy, either... It isn't huge. About the same length as my Ego with a tank atty... but definitely wider than the Ego. An Icon/Prodigy will be a great upgrade!!

If you're into trying new things, have you ever dripped?? If you want to try 9 watts, puresmoker also carries low-res 306 attys (306 and 510 are compatible). Pick up one of these and a 306 drip tip... it'll knock your socks off at 3.7v!! They also carry Boge Cartos at different resistances... Remember, 7-10 watts is the sweet spot.

Easy way to calculate watts...

((Battery voltage)*(Battery voltage)) / Atomizer resistance = watts

EX... 3.7v battery w a 1.5 ohm atty...

((3.7)*(3.7))/1.5=9.126 watts