more wraps, more vapor?

[vapdivrr]

I have often heard that more wraps equals more vapor. normally I vape 30g, 29g and mostly 28g kanthal in genesis atomizers. my wraps are usually between 3 to 4 wraps with the 30g/ 3 wraps with 29g, and 2 to 3 wraps with 28g. my preferred resistances are between 0.6 to 1.1 ish. well like I said I have often heard that more wraps equals more vapor so I bought some 26g wire and decided to do a 4/5 wrap and see the difference. what I have found is this/ no difference in vapor production compared to a 2/3 wrap of 28g. less TH,(which for me isn't bad), longer heat up time, and a cooler vape (which for me isn't bad). along with this I have found an increase in flavor, which is a big plus. I do like the thicker wire for sure, because of the increase in flavor, but have definatly found no increase in vapor production. is this a myth about more wraps equaling more vapor? or is it just my specific set-up? maybe this more wrap equaling more vapor is mainly at high resistance vaping? not sure, I know there is a lot of factors in this vaping thing so who knows. anyways, who has found a definite correlation between more wraps being more vapor and let me know what this set-up was, thanks

 

[E_DeCastro]

I recently went from 3 turn coil to 6 turn coil and noticed no differemce in vapor production.

 

[TheBoom]

It's all about wire temperature and how well the heat is spread out.

In my experience, with my IGO-L more wraps at the exact same resistance (32g vs 28g kanthal) i get a little more vapour. However it takes noticeably longer to heat up to produce that amount of vapor.

With my gennies however its the opposite. I guess it's due to the heat spread and wicking style since ss mesh wicks from bottom to top.

That being said, i've noticed that instead of using more wraps, a slight drop in resistance increases vapor production by a lot.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[pdib]

I always went for the balance that makes me happy. A while back, I settled in on 5 wraps (4/5 if I can't do a solid 5). I bunch them close together, to decrease heat-up time and increase flavor. I tend to use whatever gauge works out with 5 wraps to get the resistance I want in a particular build. I totally stray from this; with micro-coils, with sub1 and sub1/2 builds. But its my go-to wrap because of the balance of flavor, vapor, TH and rapid response.

 

[Leithan]

I think its more a balance of how fast the coils heat up with the total heating surface of the coil. I get the best vapor production from 4 wraps of ribbon, which makes sense, heats up quick and has a large surface area. It's not optimal because the resistance is too low to use with my provari so I have switched to twisted 34 Gauge. Slightly less vapor production but a lot easier to hit my target resistance and produces a lot more vapor than a single strand of 32. I also have a theory that heating area affects flavor, the smaller the surface area the less flavor, so by increasing the surface area of the coil with out slowing down heat up time I also increase the flavor of the vape. It's a fine balance, but I enjoy fiddling with it.

 

[martydmb]

More airflow increases vapor. Increase heat and airflow increases vapor. Not wraps.

 

[Leithan]

Not sure it's that simple, I'm sure it plays a part, but if it was just that simple, the Protank would be a beast. Increasing heat without increasing the surface area will just burn and destroy the flavor. I still think it's still a fine balance, heat, heat up time, surface area, wicking and airflow all have to be balanced. I would defiantly agree that more wraps doesn't equal more vapor.
Most of this is so subjective.

 

[pdib]

More heat + more juice + more cold air = more steam

Biggest vapor to date is a 3 wrap of 26 Nichrome (=25Kan) @ .4Ω. I can chew on these clouds. (~10Amps)

Best flavor for me is coming from micro coils @ 1 - 1.5Ω

Mostest TH is from vapor not being turned to steam (not enough cold air drawn across coil)


So, I got the biggest steam from the fewest wraps (not exclusive, just irrelevant) and the biggest air hole

 

[martydmb]

Not sure it's that simple, I'm sure it plays a part, but if it was just that simple, the Protank would be a beast. Increasing heat without increasing the surface area will just burn and destroy the flavor. I still think it's still a fine balance, heat, heat up time, surface area, wicking and airflow all have to be balanced. I would defiantly agree that more wraps doesn't equal more vapor.
Most of this is so subjective.

More airflow cools down the coils. Have you turn your device on with the cap off to see vapor? Now try it again and blow on the coil and wick. See the difference? A video was posted on here today linked to a youtube about sub ohms that is very good info just on this subject and why a airhole needs to be bigger. No one said anything about flavor? And in the video he talks about the flavor debate with bigger airholes. Think people should watch it.

Increasing heat without surface area? Who you know runs under 1 ohm with 32awg wire? People with sub ohm coils run most the time 28awg or even lower. More surface area. Especially with micro builds.

Here is the libk if its not on the main page anymore.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/425921-guide-sub-ohm-builds.html

 

[Jimi D.]

I've found that the vapor is thicker with more wraps. I use Ribbon Kanthal in drip atties. Dual coil atties with 5 wraps each coil, knocks my socks off

 

[supertrunker]

There's always one i suppose! I am the guy that vapes at 0.67 (3 wraps) or 0.9 (4 wraps) of 32g kanthal. What i like is that i can replicate the coils time and again within 0.05 Ohms and not change the way i make them.

Thicker wire may help in vapor production - but i am really after a Holy Grail of longevity and flavour. Huge clouds of vape are great for video but am i the only one that gets rather bored of people on them all blowing it in the camera?

T

 

[vapdivrr]

There's always one i suppose! I am the guy that vapes at 0.67 (3 wraps) or 0.9 (4 wraps) of 32g kanthal. What i like is that i can replicate the coils time and again within 0.05 Ohms and not change the way i make them.

Thicker wire may help in vapor production - but i am really after a Holy Grail of longevity and flavour. Huge clouds of vape are great for video but am i the only one that gets rather bored of people on them all blowing it in the camera?

T

one of the biggest reasons I vape thicker wire is more flavor compared to a thinner wire, so I would have to question the fact that your saying a thinner wire produces a better flavor then a thicker one. I say this because I have compared many times. now I have to admit I never compared the same wire at the same resistance so I have always made the assumption that it was the wire & temp. the comparisons always were 28g at low res, compared to 32g at higher resistances, and in every case the thicker wire had better flavor. I never compared at the same resistance because I vape at low resistances, and my go to is a 2/3 wrap of 28g, in order for me to get a 32g wire at the same resistance I would have to do maybe a one wrap? you must twist your 32g? right? if not how can a thinner wire have more longevity then a thicker wire?

 

[martydmb]

My 30awg doesn't gunk up at all and been running it two days and not once dry burned. 32 awg I couldn't go more than than a 1/4 tank with it gunking up. I'm going to use twisted 32awg on my next coil and see how that works. Ill say my 30awg coil tastes better than the 32 but that could be because the 32 gunked up all the time. I'm about at the same wattage for both size kanthal. I want to try a micro coil after the twisted or maybe I will try tomorrow when my kts storm comes. Heard it really pops for flavor so I want to see the difference.

 

[vapdivrr]

all very good points and from what I have read in these posts confirms my opinion, which is that more wraps doesn't mean more vapor, there is much more to it then just that statement. I do believe that there is a balance ,airflow, heat , juice and coverage that all have to work in unison for more vapor. thanks

 

[pizza2me]

Speaking of airflow. More air = more steam. Right? Buy would I lose some TH if I drill out air hole?

 

[pdib]

I think TH is increased when your vapor doesn't turn to steam (basically vaporized nic. as opposed to steam). Cold air (relatively cold) turns vapor into steam. You can have a humid situation, then cold air hits and you get clouds and fog. I don't know why, but apparently the nicotine suspended in vaporized form hits your mouth, nose, throat harder than in steam form.

 

[vapdivrr]

I think TH is increased when your vapor doesn't turn to steam (basically vaporized nic. as opposed to steam). Cold air (relatively cold) turns vapor into steam. You can have a humid situation, then cold air hits and you get clouds and fog. I don't know why, but apparently the nicotine suspended in vaporized form hits your mouth, nose, throat harder than in steam form.

cool answer

 

[gdeal]

I think TH is increased when your vapor doesn't turn to steam (basically vaporized nic. as opposed to steam). Cold air (relatively cold) turns vapor into steam. You can have a humid situation, then cold air hits and you get clouds and fog. I don't know why, but apparently the nicotine suspended in vaporized form hits your mouth, nose, throat harder than in steam form.

? "cold air turns vapor into steam" ?

 

[pdib]

are you serious, gdeal? are you messin' with me? Am I using the wrong terms? Warmer air can hold a higher moisture content. Water vapor condenses in colder air. Steam is visible water vapor. . . . . condensing . . . larger particles . . . . You are messin' with me.

edit: fine . . . . so vapor/steam with condensing particles forming fog. How's that?

"visible steam" vs. "invisible steam" ???? that's just confusing


"vapor" vs. "visible condensing vapor"












bustin' my ballls

 

[gdeal]

are you serious, gdeal? are you messin' with me? Am I using the wrong terms? Warmer air can hold a higher moisture content. Water vapor condenses in colder air. Steam is visible water vapor. . . . . condensing . . . larger particles . . . . You are messin' with me.

edit: fine . . . . so vapor/steam with condensing particles forming fog. How's that?

"visible steam" vs. "invisible steam" ???? that's just confusing


"vapor" vs. "visible condensing vapor"












bustin' my ballls

bustin' my ballls Yup...I am...just getting technical on you.


BTW what did you name it?