Mountains?

[ShinjukuFog]

So I travel up to the mountains for work quite often (high speed train) and when I arrive at my destination I always find that my tanks (ts3) have overflowed.
Is this because of the altitude, or is it something related to being on a train itself?
Anyone have this experience, or know of some easy way to fix my problem?
I have a trip next week, so any help would be appreciated...

 

[Ripshod]

It's the change in atmospheric pressure as altitude increases. Only thing I can suggest is keep all but one tank empty til you get to the top. I'm sure there will be more ingenious suggestions to come from other members tho

*edit*

Just occurred to me that some take their kit on international flights. I can only imagine the mess.

 

[ShinjukuFog]

Thanks for the reply!

Yeah, I was considering just doing that. I can't vape on the train anyway so it's not really that big of an issue, I guess.

Will just have to plan ahead to have some empties ready for next week.
Haven't flown international with it yet; hadn't even thought about that...

 

[mkbilbo]

It's the change in atmospheric pressure as altitude increases. Only thing I can suggest is keep all but one tank empty til you get to the top. I'm sure there will be more ingenious suggestions to come from other members tho

*edit*

Just occurred to me that some take their kit on international flights. I can only imagine the mess.

You'd think an air pressure change enough to affect a liquid that much would be very bad for people. And I wouldn't think checked baggage on an airplane would be comparable as the passenger cabins are pressurized because the altitude is not so nice for humans.

Very odd...

 

[djsvapour]

Are your T3Ss being shaken? (in a bag on the train)....

Vibrations and clearomizers = leaky disaster.

 

[Ripshod]

True, the cabins are pressurised, but not to the same pressure as at ground level. I've watched an empty plastic bottle crush down by a third (estimated) on an international flight. They only pressurize enough to keep things comfortable. Blow up a balloon at 30000ft and it'll burst on the way back down.

 

[Burn_notice_fan_NY]

You'd think an air pressure change enough to affect a liquid that much would be very bad for people. And I wouldn't think checked baggage on an airplane would be comparable as the passenger cabins are pressurized because the altitude is not so nice for humans.

Very odd...

Not too terribly odd. The changes in air pressure are gradual enough to allow us to exhale the air to adjust. The tubes on the other hand do not release air and adapt to the new pressure until you use them. If you were to hold your air from the bottom to the top of a large mountain, the results would be disastrous to you. Likewise, if you were to go scuba diving and forgot to exhale as you rise toward the surface... Well, let's just say it would not be good. To get an idea of this, blow a bubble at the bottom of a pool in the deep end and watch it increase. Every 33 feet down under water is a new atmosphere. This is why we divers level off for a few to decompress and return to safer levels when diving.

 

[cmc335]

It's the change in atmospheric pressure as altitude increases. Only thing I can suggest is keep all but one tank empty til you get to the top. I'm sure there will be more ingenious suggestions to come from other members tho

*edit*

Just occurred to me that some take their kit on international flights. I can only imagine the mess.

My dad is an airline pilot so I fly A LOT. I always go into the lav and vape for a bit since it doesn't set off the detector and people don't give me dirty looks. Anyway, I've used a bunch of different tanks and the result is always different. Never had it overflow, but the pressure difference definitely takes it's toll (an airplane cabin is generally pressurized to that of the atmosphere at a 10,000 foot altitude). I found the protank 2 worked well, but the aerotank and EVODS would gurgle and produce very little vapor. Aerotank would also leak a little, but I wouldn't say it overflowed. I'm nervous of trying my kayfuns because of the vacuum system

 

[Completely Average]

You'd think an air pressure change enough to affect a liquid that much would be very bad for people.

Why would you think that?

An air pressure change that is enough to make your ears pop is enough to break the air-pressure seal on a clearo. After all, air pressure is the ONLY thing that keeps these tanks from flooding non-stop, and all you have to have is enough pressure change to break the surface tension of the liquid at the point where it enters the chimney. Less than 1 PSI change is all it takes. That's not harmful.

And I wouldn't think checked baggage on an airplane would be comparable as the passenger cabins are pressurized because the altitude is not so nice for humans.

And why would you think that?

There is still enough pressure change to make clearos leak (And your ears pop) in the passenger compartment.

Very odd...

Not really. Very expected if you understand the physics going on.




To the OP....

If you're going to be in the mountains a lot then you may want to consider switching to a Cartomizer or a Cartotank since they are not sealed by air-pressure differences, and thus, aren't affected by air pressure changes.

 

[szot]

I fly a few times a week..never had a tank/clearo (of any kind) leak or overflow in years of vaping and flying..

 

[Fisheeboy]

I have to drive to a neighboring town in the mountains once a week and the altitude changes always affect my tanks. Especially my KF clone! One of my clearos actually popped apart from the pressure change.

 

[mkbilbo]

Not too terribly odd. The changes in air pressure are gradual enough to allow us to exhale the air to adjust. The tubes on the other hand do not release air and adapt to the new pressure until you use them. If you were to hold your air from the bottom to the top of a large mountain, the results would be disastrous to you. Likewise, if you were to go scuba diving and forgot to exhale as you rise toward the surface... Well, let's just say it would not be good. To get an idea of this, blow a bubble at the bottom of a pool in the deep end and watch it increase. Every 33 feet down under water is a new atmosphere. This is why we divers level off for a few to decompress and return to safer levels when diving.

T3s are bottom coil aren't they? So as the atmospheric pressure lowers, the air in the T3 expands to push the juice out. That would make sense. I was thinking of the juice expanding, something that shouldn't be all that significant at any pressure a human can survive I would think.

So top coils wouldn't be prone to do this but bottom coils would. Especially good ones with good seals...

 

[ShinjukuFog]

Are your T3Ss being shaken? (in a bag on the train)....

Vibrations and clearomizers = leaky disaster.

No, they're usually just sitting in the front pocket of my bag. The train ride is very smooth, it probably shakes less than your average bus.

 

[ShinjukuFog]

T3s are bottom coil aren't they? So as the atmospheric pressure lowers, the air in the T3 expands to push the juice out. That would make sense. I was thinking of the juice expanding, something that shouldn't be all that significant at any pressure a human can survive I would think.

So top coils wouldn't be prone to do this but bottom coils would. Especially good ones with good seals...

So... store them upside down? Would that be all it takes?

 

[FACE MEAT]

For added protection, you could unscrew the base a bit (upside-down, of course) to allow the air to escape.

 

[Saltraker]

Whenever I travel by plane, I use only cartomizers...without a tank. No leaking issues. I have packed full bottles in checked baggage with the screwtops taped and encased in baggies. Even so, I have had several bottles leak. There must be a better way! Using glass instead of plastic bottles might solve the problem, but then, there's glass....

 

[PaulBHC]

I use Aspire BDCs and they leak when I make my weekly travel from ~500ft over a 3700ft pass to another town. I debated putting the clearos in an old pill bottle and hope that they seal well enough to hold the pressure.

I also wondered if cartos or cartotanks would suffer from this. Thanks for the posts that suggest that they don't. Off to look at IBTanked.

 

[Rossum]

Bottom coil tanks and carto tanks should be stored upside-down when experiencing big pressure (or temperature) changes. Exposing the juice ports/wicks to the air inside the tank allows the pressure in the tank to equalize, preventing leaks.

 

[Haktuspit]

Kind of feeling like an idiot here for not thinking of storing BCC's upside down when I go over the pass on my own. Just did a search not expecting anyone else to have this problem but I experience it 2-3 times a week when I go out to the office. I live in the mountains and don't have trouble going into town and back with a 1,500 ft elevation difference but the 2,5000 on the way to the office kills em.

My iClear 30s and any top coil I've used haven't had any issues. I'll be vaping those while my Pro tank is upside down from now on.

 

[trazzman]

You'd think 25000 would explode them.