MPV 2.0 & Cubital Tunnel Syndrome, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, and Tendonitis

[IndigoChild]

Hi there,

So I just bought an Innokin MPV 2.0 Energy Series and then found out something that's a bit of a bummer. Apparently, when measured, the pressure it takes to press the firing button is nearly three pounds of pressure. I have cubital tunnel syndrome in my right hand, which has advanced to the point of paresthesia (numbness), peripheral neuropathy with clawing of the fingers, some paralysis and extreme weakness and loss of fine motor skills. I'm currently upgrading from an Innokin iTaste CLK & CLK 1280, which is not too hard for me to operate. The standard Kanger EVOD battery button is a challenge to press down on. Also, the repetitive motion of pressing buttons to chain vape has been aggravating the condition somewhat and contributing to the development of carpal tunnel, tendonitis and issues with the median and radial nerve as well as the ulnar nerve (ulnar nerve entrapment is the cubital tunnel type) - and now in my left arm as well as my right.

I'm not too sure what to do about this other than find comfortable ways to press on the button and try to take breaks and rests. If the MPV button is going to be THAT much harder to push down on than a Kanger EVOD battery button, this device may not work out for me I've got my fingers crossed - not literally of course, haha - but I wish I'd known about this button issue before I bought it... I really liked the lanyard feature with the CLK - I didn't have to worry about repeatedly dropping it. Anyway, what a bummer - perfectly healthy people are saying that the MPV was a no-thanks for them because of the button being so hard to hold down.

I was wondering if anyone else out there has any type of tunnel syndrome, tendonitis or arthritis, and if so, how do you deal with the motions of holding your unit and pressing down on the buttons? For those without any of the above, I'm just curious - has anyone started noticing any problems over time like tingling, pain, cramping, burning, numbness, pins and needles, a crawling sensation, weakness, or difficulty with fine motor skills? I know my cubital tunnel didn't originate from vaping but I'm just wondering if this repetitive motion activity is effecting anyone adversely.

Lastly, what are people's opinions on their experience with the MVP 2.0 and the firing button - just how hard is it to press down? ...If an analogy could be made... Has anyone found that it was so irritating to deal with that they decided to get a different device? A couple different guys in some YouTube videos that were rating this product said that it was so unpleasant to their vaping experience that they'd never consider actually buying one...

Thanks ahead to those who have any opinions or info to share with me. By the way, I'm a 27/female, and so you see I'm pretty young to be losing the usage of my dominant hand - I don't want to do anything to accelerate this condition.

--IndigoChild

 

[nwohiopma]

Someone in the MVP owner's group uses a moleskin patch on top the button to make the pressing a bit softer. They can be had in the foot care section of the grocery or drug store. They're made by Dr. Scholl's here in the US.

 

[Huffelpuff]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/473345-itaste-mvp-v2-owners-group.html

I think that they fixed the overly stiff button problem that was happening with the first release. My new Shine doesn't seem overly difficult to press but I guess that is subjective. I have some CT issues and can understand your concerns. Hope that the new mod works for you and that you get some relief from your Carpal Tunnel!

I couldn't seem to link back but the post about stiff button was on pp 9

 

[IndigoChild]

It seems to differ from day to day sometimes. As in, on my really bad days I can't even hold onto an empty plastic cup without dropping it, and the strength in my hand is not enough to be able to turn the light switches on for several lamps in this house that have that spinning/clicking motion/action to turn them on. On those days I frequently can't handwrite, turn the car key ignition, use the gear shift or press the buttons on the remote control. (At least not without extreme difficulty for these things and usually, if I can get it myself, it requires two hands to everyone else's one hand for whatever task). Then, once in a great while, I won't have much pain at all, just numbness and can actually pen a short note. I should be seeing the orthopedic surgeon here pretty soon, so hopefully they can unpinch the entrapped nerve and fix me. In the meantime, I hope Huffelpuff is correct in that they re-did their button after so much negative feedback. It seems likely and I'm getting an Energy in New Wave that has a manufacturing date from 2014. I'll look for those corn pad things they sell in the drug store that nwohipma mentioned in the meantime. I'm still SO excited about this though - I can't wait for it to get here! The New Wave pattern looks like this:

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/EachnaFianna/mvp20-energyseries-newwave_zps35ac1dea.png



--IndigoChild

 

[IndigoChild]

This might help explain this better... The first image illustrates how/where the pain radiates. The second picture shows what the claw hand looks like in advanced stages (it only effects the ring and pinky in the fingers, but the right side of the hand, wrist and forearm are all feeling the suffering, too). The third pic shows my hand from a top view and the fourth pic shows what the paralysis and neuropathy look like at this point (that being that I can't move it, feel it, or seem to be able to injure it since it has no feeling - this fingers are probably dead by now with no permanent fix). Sorry, not trying to be a debbie downer... I just like to post images when I'm trying to describe something accurately so that it's more... Accurate! Here they are anyway...

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/EachnaFianna/diagram-Cubital_tunnel_syndrome_pain_mapjpg_zps8f87f928.png

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/EachnaFianna/diagram-clawhand_zps64b0223f.png

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/EachnaFianna/myulnarbs4_zpsd9091926.jpg

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/EachnaFianna/myulnarbs1_zpscdde4bf3.jpg

OHH! I hope I'll be able to use this device!

 

[Huffelpuff]

Ouch!!! There is nothing fun about nerve problems. Mine started in my hand for a while then disappeared. Recently, the pain has started at my neck and radiated down my arm to fingertips. Thankfully, it has lessened up a lot lately. For a time I used Dragon software to help me with my work to give my hands a break from typing. The MVP looks gorgeous! If it's too stiff for you I'm sure someone would be glad to buy it from you or trade you for an easier to manage device. Crossing my fingers for you!!

 

[vince01]

Hi Indigo,
I dont have any medical problems but I do have fingers like tree trunks, and I ve found that one of those self adhesive silicon/rubber pimples (?) meant for preventing cupboard doors and drawers from slamming, trimmed and fixed over the firing button enables me to hold my mpv like a beer bottle and depress the button with the top joint of my thumb

Hope you find a solution

 

[Lori2014]

Hi, Indigo

I have small, older, hands. I use the Joye 510, with a cartomizer, because I can hold it easily like a cigarette, using only the first two fingers. And, I can use it just as easily in either hand. The button projects, compared to the flush buttons on the Kangers. And, they made an automatic version ... no button I can manage both an eGo size and an EVOD size battery between the first two fingers, also, but they are not as comfortable, and mine are Kanger, with the 5-click on feature.

Joye no longer has these on their site. They are "older technology", and have short battery cycles. I get around that by having a lot of batteries and a PCC and a pass-through (although that has a button). They are getting harder to find, now, so if this appeals to you, stock up while you can.

Good luck with whatever solution works for you!

 

[IndigoChild]

My MPV 2.0 arrived today and I LOVE it! It is a bit of a strain to use though... For me, (and my hands are weak so my sense of difficulty is different than other people's), I have to squeeze that thing with the gusto of the world being at its end to press the button just as a regular pressing motion. If I grip it though, and it is shaped like a box so that helps, it's not as difficult. It's not ideal, but not enough to keep me from using the device. Ironically, I found out today that my condition may actually be CRPS/Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, which is sort of like MS. The thing is, I'm now supposed to be using my limbs as much as possible to keep the muscles strong and keep them from atrophy'ing, so I don't think it will hurt me to use it. They told me not to use any braces or supports anymore - sort of like that saying, "a body in motion stays in motion." Since I chain vape though, it is causing some aching in my finger. I'll be able to use this, but some of the time I think I might have to use a cheapie pen style vape because the buttons are always so much easier to press... Only time will tell I guess. @Huffelpuff - I have that exact same sort of pain - they're saying its from the nerve being exposed though from muscle loss as opposed to tunnel syndrome. It sure is awful though... Makes your neck get stiff.

 

[Huffelpuff]

Hi Indigo......YAY so excited for you glad that u got ur new toy. The neck pain is the worst part. I went through it for about 6 months and the pain seems to have left as quickly as it arrived. Maybe it will get better 4u too? I never got it diagnosed really assumed that I hurt it trying some yoga poses after being out of exercising 4 a time. Gave me a new respect for people who suffer with nerve pain... It was a little scary!

 

[IndigoChild]

Yeah! Really gives you a new sense of compassion for people with sciatica and stuff...