My answer to Busardos fake fusion video

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You guys ever hear about the man that couldn't afford a Lamborghini so he made one from scratch? Guess what... he is Chinese as well. NOT being racist or stereotyping, but given the conversation --

I think of Chinese in two catagories. The race which I agree shouldn't be held accountable and the business community. But if they didn't have the naive they couldn't sell their imitations.

I like people for who they are not for their color, race or religion.
 
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I personally think they have done their home work and have designed a great business model considering they own half the world. Think of that one for a while. ;) If they call in their markers tomorrow, the world is facing an economic collapse. Hell they own the whole or a good portion of North America!
Aint that the truth. And Obama and Co. want to raise the debt ceiling even farther. Just think if you would of invested in the yen 40 yrs ago.
 

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Hell they own the whole or a good portion of North America!

Granted, China is the largest foreign holder of US debt, but here are the numbers. According to last years figures China held $1.159 trillion of the $15.087 debt, or 7.69%. Because China pegs it's currency to the Dollar, any large sell off of those securities would not only devalue their investment, it would also devalue the Yen. It's not like some gambler owing a bookie a lot of money and we need to worry about them breaking our arm as a reminder. They own publicly traded security notes, and if anything it makes them just as dependent on us as we are of them.

Now, if you mean they own the actual land then it's hard to track, because privately owned land can take investments or owe debt to just about anyone. The largest area of land that is tracked though is agricultural land. Less than 2% of US agricultural land is owned by foreigners, with Canadians owning the most, followed by the Netherlands, the UK, and Germany.

Some pundits try to scare the public by saying China owns us now. Instead, look at it as China is investing in us. They want to make money, not destroy our market.
 

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To put this back on topic, what exactly is trying to be said in the OP? Are the cartos being advertised and sold as "fusions" by electronicstix knock offs? Are you saying that these are not the same as the Ikenvape fusions, even though they appear to be identical (in terms of construction and performance) based on the review? Clarification would be appreciated...
 

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That is exactly what I'm saying. If you notice in the first post I put some other products the Chinese counterfeit that also look exactly (inside and out) like the originals. They have been doing that kind of stuff for yrs. The nice thing about the originals is that Ikenvape put his approval on them so that's all that's needed. His don't need to be dissected and compared to the best to be able to sell. But I 'm sure he appreciates being the carto that sets the standard to be compared to.
 
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To put this back on topic, what exactly is trying to be said in the OP? Are the cartos being advertised and sold as "fusions" by electronicstix knock offs? Are you saying that these are not the same as the Ikenvape fusions, even though they appear to be identical (in terms of construction and performance) based on the review? Clarification would be appreciated...
It's called vendor fencing, pure and simple.

If the Chinese sold the secret sauce recipe which is not out of the realm of possibilities, then no they are not the same. The coils were re-engineered as well as the batting. So when a vendor dishes out copious amounts of money to develop a product (Chinese will do anything for a price, including selling their own mother) then they have a right to be POed, when some other vendor comes toting around the product someone else develops to increase his or her own bottom line. It is understandable because IKV has a good portion of the market share in both atties and cartos. IMO it is up to the other vendors to do their homework and develop a better product. OTOH that will only drive Isaac to further refine his fine tuned machines.
 

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It's called vendor fencing, pure and simple.

If the Chinese sold the secret sauce recipe which is not out of the realm of possibilities, then no they are not the same. The coils were re-engineered as well as the batting. So when a vendor dishes out copious amounts of money to develop a product (Chinese will do anything for a price, including selling their own mother) then they have a right to be POed, when some other vendor comes toting around the product someone else develops to increase his or her own bottom line. It is understandable because IKV has a good portion of the market share in both atties and cartos. IMO it is up to the other vendors to do their homework and develop a better product. OTOH that will only drive Isaac to further refine his fine tuned machines.
But why would they go to the added expense of redoing their coils when they have a perfectly good 510 coil in the warehouse and a perfectly good 801 base in the warehouse that look the same? Then they got the people that dissect them , say "duh this looks the same so it must be the same". More money made the easy way. They aren't the richest nation in the world for being stupid, that's for sure.
 

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I thought the 801 fusions in the video he wasn't impressed with were the ones he got from Ikenvape?Or was it the other ones he was vaping?

I think he was saying the ones from Ikenvape are no different than the ones from Electronistix (or whatever the vendor is); I believe he said he wouldn't be surprised if they were made by the same manufacturer. However, I think (don't know why or where I "heard" it), Electronistix had Issac design their "new" 510 Boge cartomizers; could be a I am blowing smoke out my .... and I don't know what I'm talking about. Irrespective, I'm sticking with my Fusions and my boy, Issac!


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