My current favorite PVs...AKA: A dripper discovers cartos and 3.7V fat batts

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As of this month, I have been vaping (and an ECF member) for two years. I spent most of that time dripping in an 801 atomizer on a 14500-based ProVape-1 mod: a very satisfying experience, especially with the lower resistance (but not "LR") EastMall DSE801 atomizer (e.g., from Vapor Junction, currently out of stock:()*.
* If anyone knows of any other U.S. supplier of the EM 801s, please let me know.
During that period, I experimented with the Kr8 model (several times) and with the 510 (also 306) ... in fact I started with the Kr8, but, back then, the cartos were pretty mediocre. And I tried those CE2 cartomizer thingies: what a pain in the ... they are to fill! I kept running back to dripping in my trusty 801 ... or to the Boge Leo, which Scott (ctconline) at Vapin' in the Cape sent me and I reviewed this past November. [My current personal assessment of the Leo: still tastes great, but doesn't hit hard enough. When will Boge come out with lower resistance attys or cartos for it?!:grr:]

In February of this year, Leaford arranged for Bloog to send me a MaxX Fusion Mini PCC kit to review. Wow! [For more detail on that "wow", see my review.] The MaxX Fusion [and the less expensive Smokeless Image VOLT that I discovered later on] bears the same relationship to the old-style Kr8 that a Lexus does to a Corolla, i.e., same extended family, but a distant, much more luxurious relative. My conclusion: Gee! A cartomizer [and a super-mini] can taste good ... and generate lots of vapor! And it spoiled me. I became aware of how tired I was of dripping every few puffs.:facepalm:

And then, in April, Kent C gifted me with the eGo-T from Cignot, plus some other attys and cartos to use on it. [I found that tanks (at least the eGo-T ones) are pretty good (especially type B), but that I prefer what was to follow.]

And that's when my adventure really began: a two-month frenetic exploration of various cartomizers on various fat batts, which, all of a sudden, settled into place yesterday with my current favorites:thumb::

  • The chrome 1300 mAh 3.7V Echo (battery and cartomizer), which I reviewed a few days ago. [Let me tell you, fellow snooty, seasoned vapers: An automatic battery done right (which also includes the MaxX Fusion and VOLT) is a splendid thing! Just ask SteelJan.]
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  • The black 1.6/3.2Ω Smok Tech Dual Coil cartomizer (which I have purchased from Hoosier and Vapor Junction) on my black 650 mAh 3.2V eGo-T battery. [You don't need me to tell you about the virtues of the dual coil (or the eGo, for that matter). In case you've been off-planet for the past few months, check out pbusardo's video review, which I regard as definitive.] FYI: The black eGo cone (not part of the eGo-T kit) that Kent also sent me does fit over the dual coils I got from Vapor Junction.
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Notice the color coordination of the batteries and cartos (which I use with aluminum or black delrin drip tips as applicable) ... and, more significantly, the resistance/voltage coordination. Each delivers a somewhat different, but equally satisfying vaping experience in an attractive black or silverish package. I've listed them, not in order of preference, but in order of intensity of the vape. That is, the Echo is the mildest and the LR 801 carto hits the hardest.

There is a glaring omission from that gang of four: my MaxX Fusion/VOLT hybrid. ["Hybrid": I prefer the taste of Bloog's 555 prefilled cartos over VOLT's, but prefer the price of the equally good VOLT batts.]

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I omitted it because:
1. This super-mini is so different from those fat batts.

2. I discovered it (at least the Bloog version) before my frenetic exploration.

3. It has a dedicated place in my daily vaping: during my evening cocktail. Ahh! Like the bourbon it accompanies so well, I especially cherish it when used sparingly. [Also while driving, but that is just an occasional activity for me.]
Two other omissions not as glaring:

  • I now have a love/hate relationship with my Leo (which I now use with the new 4-ml capacity Leo cartomizers). The taste still is wonderful, but the hit is satisfying only early in the day (before my throat has become jaded). [When will Boge come out with lower resistance attys or cartos for it?!:grr: Oh ... I said that already.:D]
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  • Dripping in my EM 801 atty on my ProVape-1 is great for testing out new e-liquids. [The downside to those mega cartomizers is the commitment you have to make to one flavor.]
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For me, this post has been like show-and-tell in grade school. For you: Perhaps it will give you some ideas for a cartomizer or battery that you might enjoy. Thanks for listening!
 
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Here it is! Ha. Awesome post....as usual. You have a standard (yourself) to uphold...and you always do! I am not going to try to add anything to your awesome reviews and very helpful information, but I will say that I think Joye eGo | Joye 510 | Electronic Cigarette supplies Tulsa | Batteries, atomizers, cartomizers, e-Liquid and more! has the atomizers (DSE 801) that you referenced early on (that you get from Vapor Junction...??) I'm not an "801" vaper so maybe they're not what you're talking about, but they seem to be the same. Worth a look.

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Congratulations on 2 years!

I've been following your writings since 2010 and you've been the definitive source for me on many occasions. I am overjoyed to see that you use super minis and even automatics. Proof that even those that have tried it all find an auto satisfying. Impressive and encouraging to see that you love your Echo auto. Sometimes, my friend, only an auto will do.

I thought I was a rare breed and that something was wrong with me because I too need to put my larger PVs down every now and then, especially for that cocktail! Well done on 2 years and I'm sure I speak for everyone here that you've helped when I say you are an original and you are class.
 

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On second thought.....not sure the attys I mentioned above are what you're looking for....they don't say EM.....and the actual 801s are not LR. There are some BE112 2.0 ohm attys....would those fit? Sorry....I'm thinking maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (hmmm....first time for that....hmmm :) ) Anyway, hope I didn't send you on a wild goose chase. Like I mentioned, I'm not an 801 person..... At least you got a comment on your fine post. :)

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This is all good information. I've read a lot of your posts in the "ask the veterans" section and I've come across a couple of your reviews. I appreciate your time putting together this much information.

I have a lot of devices and I use a few different things. I wasn't in to cartos until recently either. I had a little extra money around the time the DCs came out and I bought every carto I could find to try them out and see what all the fuss was. I stuck to 510 because even though I have a couple of adapters, I'm just plain invested in 510. - When I had tried pretty much everything I could find, I threw away or gave away almost all of it. -

For cartos now, I use CE2 XLs for my MAP tanks, I like a boge 2.0 ohm on my bottom feeder, and I can't get enough of the dual coils. I'm running 1.6 ohm DCs on 5.0v and that is really taking over my vaping. I haven't used my eGo megas or eGo-t's more than a couple of times each in the last three weeks or so and those have been a regularly used part of my vaping gear since around January. All I've used the last few days is a the bottom feeder with a boge carto if I'm doing desk duty at work - couple hours a day with a MAP - a couple of hours a day before bed dripping - and the rest of the time has been spent with DCs.

Cartos have come a long way. I enjoy dripping, but it isn't always convenient.
 

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Here it is! Ha. Awesome post....as usual. You have a standard (yourself) to uphold...and you always do! I am not going to try to add anything to your awesome reviews and very helpful information, but I will say that I think Joye eGo | Joye 510 | Electronic Cigarette supplies Tulsa | Batteries, atomizers, cartomizers, e-Liquid and more! has the atomizers (DSE 801) that you referenced early on (that you get from Vapor Junction...??) I'm not an "801" vaper so maybe they're not what you're talking about, but they seem to be the same. Worth a look.

Jan
Thank you, Jan, for being the first replier to my post ... and for reassuring me that I am not "a voice of one crying out in the wilderness.";-) And thanks for that link to VaporKings. However, there is no indication that their 801 atomizers are made by EastMall. In fact, their site states that they are "Genuine SLB (Sailebao)."

Oops! I see now in your follow-up post that you realized that yourself. No problem! I love exploring vaping supplier websites – always stumble onto new stuff. [Not that much new going on at VaporKings, though, is there?]

And thank you, John, six, and WomanOfHeart, for your kind words about my various posts!

Now that there are good super-minis and auto batteries even better than before (I was always impressed by the Kr8 autos), the road is clear to bring in the masses to vaping ... and to give us early adopters yet another alternative. I spent 40 years of my life bringing a short stick between my fingers to my mouth. It's a tough habit to break ... and now there is no reason I have to. Although I do spend most of my vaping time with the big sticks; I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.:D

I haven't tried the Boge 2.0 cartos yet, but – after watching pbusardo's comparative review – I'm not in a great rush to do so. Based on his review and all I've read, the Boge cartos are great ... but the Smok Tech dual coils are even better.

Thanks again, all! I can relax now.:)
 

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Hey, Don, I really appreciate your reviews. Using an ego, called n ordered a 900 mah batt to prolong my charges, as I need something reliable for steath vaping at work, had a charger die on me so puffed on two sluggish batts today n my supplier is sending me a new charger tomorrow. Also ordered some dual coil cartomizers from vape junction, so your reviews are very timely for a tech challenged type like me. Slllooowwwlly getting the lingo here lol. Any other reliable reasonably inexpensive suggestions, feel free to pass em along.
 

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Thank you, gel drops!

Hey, Don, I really appreciate your reviews. Using an ego, called n ordered a 900 mah batt to prolong my charges, as I need something reliable for steath vaping at work, had a charger die on me so puffed on two sluggish batts today n my supplier is sending me a new charger tomorrow. Also ordered some dual coil cartomizers from vape junction, so your reviews are very timely for a tech challenged type like me. Slllooowwwlly getting the lingo here lol. Any other reliable reasonably inexpensive suggestions, feel free to pass em along.
Thanks, chiwalker!

The most cost-effective PV today is the 750 mAh Riva-510 from Liberty-Flights: either $30 for the "Lite Bundle" (a complete two-battery/two-atomizer kit at the same 3.2V as your eGo) or $35 for the "Special Edition" (true 3.7V version and with two slightly lower resistance atomizers). [Be sure to click the 20% Discount icon in the upper left corner of the website first, in order to see (and receive) those prices.] Although higher mAh, the Riva is the same size as the 650 mAh eGo and completely compatible with all eGo atomizers, cartomizers, tanks, and accessories.

Those dual coil cartos don't need the extra voltage of the Special Edition to deliver an intense vape, although many vapers are using those cartos successfully at even 5V or 6V. You might appreciate that extra kick for your other attys and cartos.
 

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Hey Don, I always enjoy your reviews. I missed this thread somehow. I'm still enjoying my Chrome 1300 Echo automatic, nicest looking PV I have. You are right these new generation autos are great, I find using them makes for a more relaxing enjoyable vape. All the anti-auto vapers out there should try one of the new generation autos and I think they would be surprised at how good they are, I know I was. If you stick with the new designed cartos that never leak there isn't any fear of getting juice into them and they don't activate from loud noises or frequecies any longer. I think once more people try them they will become the norm once again for most vapers with maybe the exception being the modders who like to push buttons and fiddle with stuff.
 

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Right! Just as drinking and auto(mobile)s don't mix, neither do dripping and auto(matic)s.:D

And thanks for your kind words and well wishes, jj2 and txtumbleweed. [Folks, if you want to learn all there is to know about the Echo, read txtumbleweed's many review and commentary threads!]
 
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Hey Don I absolutely love your reviews, and noticed you often recommend the Riva.

I wanted to let you know that ALL 750mAh Riva devices are now true 3.7v devices, not just the special edition (Confirmed by Abe and Ty).. this makes it an even better value, but also good information for those that are actually looking for 3.2v under-load devices.
 

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Hey Don. Great post, as always. I was especially pleased to see that you've discovered the tasty pleasures of the IKV 801 Fusion Carto (my personal fave). Kinda surprised that an ol' vet like you hasn't strayed from the 3.7 volt batteries yet though.
Myself, I've been havin' a ball with my VV Buzz and anxiously awaiting the birth of the Buzz Pro which will be easier to adjust with a wheel and boasts a circuitry that doubles the battery charge life. Those Fusions are even better at around 4.8 volts, BTW.
I recently purchased a 5 ml. tank that uses the CE2 carto guts as well. I hated those little fillerless cartos when they first came out but the revision 4 and 5 from Royal Smoker in this tank are an amazing full flavored treat to be sure. This setup looks kind of alien but performs like crazy. Here's a pic of my current craziness.
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(I adorned the Buzz with the wood veneer myself)
Today I'm ordering a Liquinator tank that I can slide an 801 Fusion into (just gotta cut a couple slots in the tube) and I'll see how that works.
Congratz on the second year mark Don. Staying away from an addiction like tobacco for this long is really doing something. Keep up the good work and the great posts.
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Thanks, visitlynn, ericdjobs, mistinthewoods, and Fabsta, for the positive feedback you expressed yesterday and today!

Thank you for your search efforts, Lynn! Because of a device I've been beta testing recently (to be announced tomorrow, I believe), the pressure to get those lower resistance EM 801s is off. Any good "801" will do, e.g., the Joye 302 that I loved before being spoiled by higher watts. And the EM 801 cartomizers at Vapor Junction are very satisfying.

Thank you, Eric, for that information about the Riva batteries! And I agree that it is good to know from both angles: There are various reasons why a device regulated to a set voltage is sometimes preferred over standard 3.7V (i.e., starting at 4.2V than gradually dropping downward to ~3.2V). For example, I like the consistent hit of my new 18650 NoEgo set at 3.7V ... and there are some atomizers/cartomizers and accessories geared to the 3.2V (and other electronic features I've come to learn about) of the Joye eGo.

Mist, I have just begun exploring the wonders of VV. I am happy for you that you enjoy those tanks. Too complicated for me. I don't own a dremel to cut slots in cartos for the Liquinator (and would fumble using it if I did) ... and I hate the teeny tiny liquid insertion holes in CE2 cartos (and the floppy pointed syringe used to try to fit into them). Great photo and lovely wood veneer (didn't recognize the Buzz).

Fabsta, speaking of cartos, have you tried the Leo cartos? I think I prefer them to the Leo attys, but (as I said in my OP) I do wish they were lower resistance ... or that someone would make a 510 (or 901) battery-to-Leo atomizer/cartomizer. [Similar comment about the Echo ... except, if I fiddle with the adapter just right, I can make the Echo carto work on my VV doohickey's 510 fitting.] When you get those Kr8s, try them on the Echo battery. Very nice – great hit and a very cigar-like experience (they really should make a brown one) ... and, of course, you can vape on it forever between charges.

FYI to all: I don't "stay away from analogs" or work at being smoke-free. I just love vaping ... and hated the taste of that half a cigarette I smoked 18 months ago (when I found myself away from home without a charged battery).
 
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