My dream coil

[Justadude]

So I was after a specific coil build that I saw online. It's like a double clapton basically. Here is the picture of what I wanted to make:

So I got some nichrome wire off eBay and began building my dream coil. First 32 around 28 clapton came out nearly perfect. Then that around 24g came out ok. I made my first mistake - made 4 wraps around too big of a diameter.

This is what I ended up with

It ended up being too thick for the plume veil. So I untwisted it and rewrapped it around a smaller diameter screwdriver. After a lot of tweaking I finally had it sitting how I wanted it without touching the middle posts or the outer walls. This is how I had it layed out:

I was happy and sh... thinking to myself that this will hold juice for a long time instead of 3-4 hits as usual and give me nice warm vape and good vapor production.
WELL......
First I burned the flippin crap out of my hand when I snapped the cap on at one point cause I was pinching it and adjusting and this thing is sticking out like a woodie in the morning and I went too fast and ended up with a nice burn on my palm.
Then once I had it wicked and was test vaping it I was messing around with the delrim insulator and I "thought" I had it high enough but apparently at one point the woodie burned that too.

It's a single coil so my air flow was limited. Made another mistake of taking more than 3 hits and got the worst dry hit ever.

Took the cotton out and was gonna pull it out entirely when I noticed one of the posts was kind of "smoking" as it shouldn't have. So I fired it up and put my snout to take a whiff. Whatever that was wasn't right cause it did not smell normal. Almost like a burnt wire.

So my dream coil ended up in a garbage. Went back to my my standard dual 24g .2 ohms set up. Vaped it afterwards and was at least a little happier.

You live you learn. I'm gonna do regular clapton today just need to decide on the gauge. I want a set up with good flavor, big clouds, coil that will hold juice for at least like 10 hits or at least 3 big hits and something that will look good. And by good I mean impressive. This "looked" amazing but performance wise I was beyond disappointed.

Maybe one day I'll try it again. Just wanted to share with you guys.

 

[caferacer]

Bummer about all that hard work ending up in the garbage bin. But like you said, live and learn.

One quick suggestion: if you want a set up that lets you take ten hits before having to re-drip, build on an atty that holds more juice. The Plume Veil has a tiny juice well, which is the reason why my buddy is selling his...and the reason why I'm not buying it from him.

 

[caramel]

I like dual coils.

 

[Ryedan]

I want a set up with good flavor, big clouds, coil that will hold juice for at least like 10 hits or at least 3 big hits and something that will look good.

Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you, but it was a very impressive coil

Why do you think a certain type of coil design will hold significantly more juice than another? I've always thought the most important part of that equation was device design in that some RDA's have deeper juice wells than others. That certainly makes a big difference to the number of hits you get between re-dripping. The Mutation X is very good for that.

For juice flow during a drag it's all about the wick being up to the job, but that's another subject

 

[Ryedan]

I like dual coils.

Looks like that puppy has great air flow too caramel

, but how are you going to wick it???

 

[caramel]

Looks like that puppy has great air flow too caramel

, but how are you going to wick it???

No wick needed, there's a pump spraying the juice inside the coil. You just connect the juice bottle:

 

[Ryedan]

No wick needed, there's a pump spraying the juice inside the coil. You just connect the juice bottle:

Fuel Juice injection. I like the way you think

 

[HecticEnergy]

I'm usually not into wrapping "crazy coils"
Done some twisted, done some parallel wrapped, but usually just stick to standard single strand round wire - .8ish (dual) 28ga for flavor builds and .2ish (dual) 24ga for fog machines.
But this makes me want to try

 

[Yorkshire_pudding]

Seams some coils just look to good to be true. I'm tempted to try the fused clapton it looks like it could work nicely. Basically a dual strand claptoned. The next step up would be the caterpillar coil but CBA with all the work for that.

 

[Justadude]

One quick suggestion: if you want a set up that lets you take ten hits before having to re-drip, build on an atty that holds more juice.

You know what dude? I honestly never even thought about it that way. Ok so here's my question... at this point when you're dripping and creating clouds off the first hit on the second one you usually don't do that because of the possible dry hit. At least I vape like that. And when I re-drip I always notice that the cotton is always beginning to get dry right outside the coil but by the time it gets to the deck it's still saturated with juice.

So does this mean that I'm wicking it wrong?

I like dual coils.

Hahahahahaha awesome

Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you, but it was a very impressive coil

Why do you think a certain type of coil design will hold significantly more juice than another?

Thank you dude.

Twisted messes gave me that idea. I saw a clip of him dripping on a coil (I think it was a stapled tiger coil but I could be wrong) and he said that it's better to vape that wick less than with a wick. Hence why I thought that this would hold juice a lot better than a regular coil would.

And I think it did hold juice better but there were other issues I think. If I redid this one day, start on a smaller diameter and do it right the first time and take air flow and wicking more into consideration then I MIGHT get better results

 

[caferacer]

You know what dude? I honestly never even thought about it that way. Ok so here's my question... at this point when you're dripping and creating clouds off the first hit on the second one you usually don't do that because of the possible dry hit. At least I vape like that. And when I re-drip I always notice that the cotton is always beginning to get dry right outside the coil but by the time it gets to the deck it's still saturated with juice.

So does this mean that I'm wicking it wrong?

If the cotton just outside the coil is dry while the rest of the cotton is saturated, it could mean that the piece of cotton you're using is too thick. If you're pushing too much cotton through your coil, it's very likely that you're "choking" your wick, making it much less efficient. Try using a thinner wad of cotton when you re-wick and see if it makes a difference.

If it doesn't, I'd definitely start looking for an RDA with deeper wells. It's always nice to find an excuse to buy more gear, right?

Good luck.

 

[Justadude]

If the cotton just outside the coil is dry while the rest of the cotton is saturated, it could mean that the piece of cotton you're using is too thick. If you're pushing too much cotton through your coil, it's very likely that you're "choking" your wick, making it much less efficient. Try using a thinner wad of cotton when you re-wick and see if it makes a difference.

If it doesn't, I'd definitely start looking for an RDA with deeper wells. It's always nice to find an excuse to buy more gear, right?

Good luck.

Lol like I haven't spent enough as it is hahaha
Do you think that Japanese koi cotton would make that much difference over regular organic cotton? And yes I'm probably choking it too much inside the coil

 

[caferacer]

Lol like I haven't spent enough as it is hahaha
Do you think that Japanese koi cotton would make that much difference over regular organic cotton? And yes I'm probably choking it too much inside the coil

I've only ever used Japanese cotton so I really don't have anything else to compare it to. That said, pbusardo posted a very detailed video about the wicking ability of different materials. Based on his experiment, Japanese cotton was indeed superior to regular organic cotton.

Here's a link:

 

[Metis]

When playing with those builds - would rayon or some kind of silica wicking be an idea?

Just a thought.

 

[Justadude]

So I tried it again. This just wouldn't let me sleep. 36 around 32 around 28. Figured higher gauge of nichrome 80 would heat up way faster. Well.....

still lights up slow as a turtle. Now I'm like CRAP!!!

well at least now I REALLY know that this won't work. Need apv for that with like 160 watts lol

Oh well I tried. But at least I'm certain. So to any of you guys out there that only have a mod and want to try this build - don't do it if you're going for clouds.

 

[Bjorhyn]

So I tried it again. This just wouldn't let me sleep. 36 around 32 around 28. Figured higher gauge of nichrome 80 would heat up way faster. Well.....

still lights up slow as a turtle. Now I'm like CRAP!!!

well at least now I REALLY know that this won't work. Need apv for that with like 160 watts lol

Oh well I tried. But at least I'm certain. So to any of you guys out there that only have a mod and want to try this build - don't do it if you're going for clouds.

You do make some great looking coils.

With the risk of aggravating some 'shinyitis', have you thought about building those on a 30mm dripper meant for 26650 mechs?
The suggestion of an RDA with more juice capacity had me thinking a wider deck would help solve that, as well as give you more room to build.

However, that's a beefy looking tube, so you could easily be using one already and I can't tell.

 

[HecticEnergy]

What is this?



Rogue grub nut?

yeah, went to try a clapton coil (maybe fused..) but my drill was dead last night maybe this weekend!

 

[drunkenbatman]

Hey mate! Echoing some above, a negative result is still a valuable result and you've warmed my cockles.*

I'm pressed for time, or I'd leave you a whole thing about how bigger isn't always better (especially on a mech, you've got some long legs there) and the only true negative of this would be if got annoyed and stopped tinkering. If you could, pretend I said something like that but much more eloquently, take it to heart as a warm fuzzy, and keep building.

*Mods, cockles are a real thing. I promise. Would I lie to you?

 

[Justadude]

You do make some great looking coils.

With the risk of aggravating some 'shinyitis', have you thought about building those on a 30mm dripper meant for 26650 mechs?
The suggestion of an RDA with more juice capacity had me thinking a wider deck would help solve that, as well as give you more room to build.

However, that's a beefy looking tube, so you could easily be using one already and I can't tell.

Thanks dude. I'm on an apollo mod running a vtc4. It's not that big. Wouldn't apv be a better choice for more power instead of a bigger mod with a bigger battery?

What is this?

Rogue grub nut?

yeah, went to try a clapton coil (maybe fused..) but my drill was dead last night maybe this weekend!

Dude I honestly haven't even noticed that. Could be the reason why my ohms were jumping at one point (facepalm)

Hey mate! Echoing some above, a negative result is still a valuable result and you've warmed my cockles.*

I'm pressed for time, or I'd leave you a whole thing about how bigger isn't always better (especially on a mech, you've got some long legs there) and the only true negative of this would be if got annoyed and stopped tinkering. If you could, pretend I said something like that but much more eloquently, take it to heart as a warm fuzzy, and keep building.

*Mods, cockles are a real thing. I promise. Would I lie to you?

Taken to heart with warmth dude

 

[HecticEnergy]

Dude I honestly haven't even noticed that. Could be the reason why my ohms were jumping at one point (facepalm)

Unless it got wedged under the coil or something I dont think it would make much of a difference. If it is loose in there it could get up against your center post and short the atty... anyway - probably not good to have rolling around in there Is it just a deck defect?