My dream coil

[Bunnykiller]

dual coils with enuf voltage applied

 

[Justadude]

Unless it got wedged under the coil or something I dont think it would make much of a difference. If it is loose in there it could get up against your center post and short the atty... anyway - probably not good to have rolling around in there Is it just a deck defect?

Yeah it got me thinking so after I read your post I checked my current set up lifted the already saturated wicks and inspected really closely and it looks good.

On a side note - I've crafted some pretty nice clapton coils after this double one I posted above and there was nearly no difference as far as heat Flux is concerned between 36 around 28 and 36 around 32. Nor between 32 around 24 for that matter. Why do all the clapton coils seem to light up so slow? Is it just the "too much wire" factor?

I understand that kanthal 28 around 24 might be too much. But nichrome 36 around 32? Just kind of shocking that the difference is barely noticeable.

 

[Bjorhyn]

Thanks dude. I'm on an apollo mod running a vtc4. It's not that big. Wouldn't apv be a better choice for more power instead of a bigger mod with a bigger battery?

Most definitely. Also safer to a point.
I just suggested the 26650 idea as a way to get more build area and juice capacity, power was kind of an afterthought.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Yeah it got me thinking so after I read your post I checked my current set up lifted the already saturated wicks and inspected really closely and it looks good.

On a side note - I've crafted some pretty nice clapton coils after this double one I posted above and there was nearly no difference as far as heat Flux is concerned between 36 around 28 and 36 around 32. Nor between 32 around 24 for that matter. Why do all the clapton coils seem to light up so slow? Is it just the "too much wire" factor?

I understand that kanthal 28 around 24 might be too much. But nichrome 36 around 32? Just kind of shocking that the difference is barely noticeable.

It's all about wire mass and heat flux. Your outer wire resistance isnt really doing much for generating heat as it is really high resistance. Electricity will flow along the path of least resistance. I'm going to try a fused clapton with two strands of 24ga kanthal wrapped with 32ga kanthal. I'm sure 20ga would probably be more responsive, but this is what I have (also have some 26 & 28ga I figured use the thickest for the middle and thinest for the outside).
Maybe I'll try it tonight, but I want to mix some new flavors (DIY), so it may wait until tomorrow

 

[klynnn]

My dream coil is the one that works.

 

[Justadude]

Most definitely. Also safer to a point.
I just suggested the 26650 idea as a way to get more build area and juice capacity, power was kind of an afterthought.

No worries dude. Thanks for the suggestions

It's all about wire mass and heat flux. Your outer wire resistance isnt really doing much for generating heat as it is really high resistance. Electricity will flow along the path of least resistance. I'm going to try a fused clapton with two strands of 24ga kanthal wrapped with 32ga kanthal. I'm sure 20ga would probably be more responsive, but this is what I have (also have some 26 & 28ga I figured use the thickest for the middle and thinest for the outside).
Maybe I'll try it tonight, but I want to mix some new flavors (DIY), so it may wait until tomorrow

#1 good luck with the new flavors dude

#2 I understand where you're coming from but isn't heat flux also dependent on the gauge of the wire? What I mean by that is that 28 gauge seems to generate more heat flux than 24. And I've noticed that being pretty consistent on steam engine.

 

[HecticEnergy]

No worries dude. Thanks for the suggestions



#1 good luck with the new flavors dude

#2 I understand where you're coming from but isn't heat flux also dependent on the gauge of the wire? What I mean by that is that 28 gauge seems to generate more heat flux than 24. And I've noticed that being pretty consistent on steam engine.

I'm certainly no expert but the less mass a wire has the faster it heats up given the same resistance and voltage. So you are right AFAIK - 28ga would heat up faster than 24ga with the same ohms. We arent going for higher ohms though as it would pull less wattage and we want more wattage given that we are adding to the mass of the wire by wrapping it (in my case) with 32 ga. the 32ga doesnt seem to do much for the coil as far as outputting heat, as the ohms are so high it would take forever to heat with the wattage its pulling. So with that we are heating the 32ga with the 24ga so I'll have to build lower than usual... .... ....
While writing this I see what you are saying and Think I will do some 28 for the inner wire to see how it comes out and shoot for a lower build... 0.2ohm range. My only concern is it will be thin and difficult to wrap around with a drill.. and I refuse to do it by hand! Maybe niacrome would be better as its sturdier, but I guess I'll try 26 and see how that goes ok enough waffling

 

[Justadude]

Dude - the only way nichrome or kanthal will actually be sturdier is if you torch them. I've claptoned both. Today I've gone beyond my comfort level and decided to wrap 36 nichrome around 32 nichrome. And it actually turned out alright for doing it first time.
So say for instance we have 36 gauge wrapped around 2 24's. Won't that 36 add to the overall mass of the wire that's being heated up?

 

[HecticEnergy]

Dude - the only way nichrome or kanthal will actually be sturdier is if you torch them. I've claptoned both. Today I've gone beyond my comfort level and decided to wrap 36 nichrome around 32 nichrome. And it actually turned out alright for doing it first time.
So say for instance we have 36 gauge wrapped around 2 24's. Won't that 36 add to the overall mass of the wire that's being heated up?

I'm going twist my wires to straiten them (not the 32ga, it will bend to my will!) Going to try it now with 26ga for center wires... I'll take lots of pics

So say for instance we have 36 gauge wrapped around 2 24's. Won't that 36 add to the overall mass of the wire that's being heated up?
Sounds logical to me

 

[HecticEnergy]

Batteries taking a charge (not running .16 on 20 amp batteries... Waiting until later for the 30amps to finish charging.)
Will check back in then







Sorry, my phone doesn't want to do those nice macro shots!
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[HecticEnergy]

Battery charged and cooled. Build heats up the mod a bit more than the .2 I had in before, which is expected...
It's the fused Clapton with parallel 26ga at its core and 32 ga spun around it.
Getting the 26ga to cooperate was a pit of a pain, but the trick is once you fire the drill don't back off. If you mess up just keep moving forward! The first length I did was barely salvageable. I found medium speed on the drill worked best for me, too slow and the wraps were too spaced out, too fast and the wraps started to overlap.
It's a cool vape, and big clouds after the first pull - probably the first half of the first pull is ramp up time.
Using fast tech little boy clone on angel cigs copper Smpl clone. Was a bit of a chore to seat the coil with the high deck walls, but not terrible.
Kills juice! 16 drops gone in 6 pulls! Lol







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[drunkenbatman]

Getting the 26ga to cooperate was a pit of a pain, but the trick is once you fire the drill don't back off. If you mess up just keep moving forward! The first length I did was barely salvageable. I found medium speed on the drill worked best for me, too slow and the wraps were too spaced out, too fast and the wraps started to overlap.

1. Neat, glad you shared!

2. Your comments about drill speed made me wonder if you had enough tension on the line. If you're using a drill it's this weird thing of having to have enough tension but also having to let it out as the wraps get tighter but you can basically control how tight you want em.

3. Painted atties wig me out...

4. Disclaimer: it's really early and waiting room coffee doesn't seem to be working, so I could be missing something about #2.

 

[Justadude]

Batteries taking a charge (not running .16 on 20 amp batteries... Waiting until later for the 30amps to finish charging.)
Will check back in then

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Then why not go with android phone brother. And I'm a bit confused about the first picture. Is that two 26's twisted? I thought you were gonna run them parallel in a fused clapton.

Battery charged and cooled. Build heats up the mod a bit more than the .2 I had in before, which is expected...
It's the fused Clapton with parallel 26ga at its core and 32 ga spun around it.
Getting the 26ga to cooperate was a pit of a pain, but the trick is once you fire the drill don't back off. If you mess up just keep moving forward! The first length I did was barely salvageable. I found medium speed on the drill worked best for me, too slow and the wraps were too spaced out, too fast and the wraps started to overlap.
It's a cool vape, and big clouds after the first pull - probably the first half of the first pull is ramp up time.
Using fast tech little boy clone on angel cigs copper Smpl clone. Was a bit of a chore to seat the coil with the high deck walls, but not terrible.
Kills juice! 16 drops gone in 6 pulls! Lol

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Thank you for sharing dude. I got a little trick if you guys want to hear it if the wraps get spread out too far apart.

2. Your comments about drill speed made me wonder if you had enough tension on the line. If you're using a drill it's this weird thing of having to have enough tension but also having to let it out as the wraps get tighter but you can basically control how tight you want em.

How can you control the tension on the center wire? I only got 2 hands

 

[HecticEnergy]

1. Neat, glad you shared!

2. Your comments about drill speed made me wonder if you had enough tension on the line. If you're using a drill it's this weird thing of having to have enough tension but also having to let it out as the wraps get tighter but you can basically control how tight you want em.

3. Painted atties wig me out...

4. Disclaimer: it's really early and waiting room coffee doesn't seem to be working, so I could be missing something about #2.

Tension was fine i think... I pinched 32ga between the pad of my index finger and my thumb nail. got a few nice little notches in my thumb nail from the friction.. lol
Sorry if none of this makes sense.. just woke up after a late night of playing with this stuff

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Great looking build, bummer it hasn't performed the way one would expect. I have set up many standard Clapton dual coil rigs and like them a lot but have been finding that, for the effort, a good old twisted dual or parallel build seems to perform just a swell. Dipping my toes into double twisted now, Mundy wire will be next ;-).

Keep giving it the effort, you seem to be on the brink of your perfect set up!

 

[HecticEnergy]

Then why not go with android phone brother. And I'm a bit confused about the first picture. Is that two 26's twisted? I thought you were gonna run them parallel in a fused clapton.


Thank you for sharing dude. I got a little trick if you guys want to hear it if the wraps get spread out too far apart.


How can you control the tension on the center wire? I only got 2 hands

Love the iphone for the most part - the macro shot is a bit of a bummer, but it IS a cellphone not a camera
I've got an old Galaxy S3 somewhere, I'll dig that out and try that!

The pictures of the kanthal is the fused clapton - parallel 26ga wrapped with 32ga. I didnt pre straiten the completed wire before wrapping my actual coils, so it had a little twist from using the drill to add the 32ga. When wrapping the actual coils that natural twist worked its way out.

To keep the center wires from jumping all over the place I rested them on the bridge between my first and middle finger. Then I loosely wrapped my first finger so it was under the coil and I could pinch the wire between my index finger and thumb. I set the drill to wrap over first, then away from me (I'm left handed and set the drill to go clockwise).

 

[Justadude]

Tension was fine i think... I pinched 32ga between the pad of my index finger and my thumb nail. got a few nice little notches in my thumb nail from the friction.. lol
Sorry if none of this makes sense.. just woke up after a late night of playing with this stuff

Dude I hear you. My thumb and forefinger and all effed up from these already lol

Great looking build, bummer it hasn't performed the way one would expect. I have set up many standard Clapton dual coil rigs and like them a lot but have been finding that, for the effort, a good old twisted dual or parallel build seems to perform just a swell. Dipping my toes into double twisted now, Mundy wire will be next ;-).

Keep giving it the effort, you seem to be on the brink of your perfect set up!

Thank you. What clapton gauges worked best for you so far?

Love the iphone for the most part - the macro shot is a bit of a bummer, but it IS a cellphone not a camera
I've got an old Galaxy S3 somewhere, I'll dig that out and try that!

The pictures of the kanthal is the fused clapton - parallel 26ga wrapped with 32ga. I didnt pre straiten the completed wire before wrapping my actual coils, so it had a little twist from using the drill to add the 32ga. When wrapping the actual coils that natural twist worked its way out.

To keep the center wires from jumping all over the place I rested them on the bridge between my first and middle finger. Then I loosely wrapped my first finger so it was under the coil and I could pinch the wire between my index finger and thumb. I set the drill to wrap over first, then away from me (I'm left handed and set the drill to go clockwise).

I had an iPhone s2 long time ago. Had to jailbreak it cause I hated the multitasking limitations. This galaxy s4 is probably the best phone I had to date.

As for the way you were holding it when wrapping with the drill - that's an awesome idea. I'm lefty too. It's only fair that I share with you what I discovered....

When you're wrapping with a drill and don't put too much tension when pinching the wire there is some space in between them. Once you're done wrapping and certain sections seem a little father apart - with the wire still attached to the drill, pinch the other end of the center wire with pliers and side the wrapped wire towards the drill.

This will line everything up and tighten it all just be careful not to overlap any loops.

However if you pinch the crap out of it when wrapping then it may not be that easy to do. In that case take the wire out of the drill and put it in a clamp or a vase and then pull the other end with the pliers and use a second set of pliers to bring all the loops tighter together. Hopefully that makes

 

[USMCotaku]

I've only ever used Japanese cotton so I really don't have anything else to compare it to. That said, pbusardo posted a very detailed video about the wicking ability of different materials. Based on his experiment, Japanese cotton was indeed superior to regular organic cotton.

Here's a link:

Japanese cotton does indeed wick better.... The fibers run straighter

 

[USMCotaku]

Yeah it got me thinking so after I read your post I checked my current set up lifted the already saturated wicks and inspected really closely and it looks good.



On a side note - I've crafted some pretty nice clapton coils after this double one I posted above and there was nearly no difference as far as heat Flux is concerned between 36 around 28 and 36 around 32. Nor between 32 around 24 for that matter. Why do all the clapton coils seem to light up so slow? Is it just the "too much wire" factor?



I understand that kanthal 28 around 24 might be too much. But nichrome 36 around 32? Just kind of shocking that the difference is barely noticeable.

I built my dripper with a dual Clapton @ .3 ohms, using 28 gauge around 24, it heats up quickly

 

[Justadude]

I built my dripper with a dual Clapton @ .3 ohms, using 28 gauge around 24, it heats up quickly

On what mod and what battery?