My mechanical mod vibrates, please help.

[Topwater Elvis]

There is simply no reason to push limits when using a mech.

If you know how to build to get the vape you're looking for you can get hot enough vapor it will blister the soft tissue in your mouth or produce cool temp humongous bro cloudz and never exceed a 15ish amp draw from the battery.

How low can I go is a game of chance / luck, when pushing luck sooner or later luck pushes back.

 

[Kprthevapr]

Try 6 wraps of 24 instead of 3.
6 wraps on a 3mm jig should come out to .36-.38 with dual coils.
Unless you wanna wind up on the nightly news, know what you're running.
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[KenD]

thank you for the help

Im pretty sure i know enough but I may be wrong. After all it seems like I still have things to learn. Been using mech for almost a year safely, however recently I have been pushing limits which may have been ignoring safety.
I very much respects your opinion especially since you seemed to know much more than i do so thank you very much sir.

Sorry, but from what you've written it seems clear that you don't know enough. You may have information, but you haven't processed it. Firing a coil with unknown resistance, you wouldn't do that if you truly understood the dangers. And (possibly) a .1Ω on a single cell mech, using a 20-amp battery at that - a big no. Please stop. Use a regulated device until you truly understand battery safety.

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[venomwolf]

is the switch magnetic? Im thinking that the switch is arcing and causing minor EMPs to be produced and is causing the magnet to vibrate... and as far as glowing.... not a good sign at all... only time you should see "glow" is when you are dry burning the coil to clean it.... and get a new ohm meter please. not knowing your ohms is like not knowing how long the fuse is on a stick of dynamite

no the switch is using spring so that shouldnt be the problem but thanks for the info

 

[David Wolf]

hello everyone, im new here, this is my first thread and I really need a help quick.

so ive been vaping for about a year now. and been using multiple mods. so yesterday i bought a clone subzero shorty mechanical mod. I feel safe because Ive been using 2 subzero clones before this and they have no problems at all. however this one scared me.

its a full copper tube mech. I use dual parallel coils, 24g kanthal A1 wrapped 3x around the 30 rod easy coiler. not sure what the resistance is but Ive been rocking this build a couple of times before and its safe its supposed to be around 0.1ohms. I know its dangerous to not know what the resistance are in my coils but my ohmmeter been faulty.

anyway, today i fired the mod to show my friend how hard this mod hits (it hits very hard). However for some reason my mod vibrates like a phone notification when i fired the mod. then i tried it again and it vibrates again. it has vibrated 3 times now and im very scared. At the same time my friend and I noticed there was a little glowing thing in the airflow thing in the subzero rda. very near the copper contact screw. what could be the problem? Im very scared to vape now, please help out. thanks

It's arcing, you have a loose connection somewhere.

 

[NealBJr]

no the switch is using spring so that shouldnt be the problem but thanks for the info

I have no idea what would be vibrating in a mechanical mod, clone or no clone. What I do know, is if any mechanical mod "vibrates", it's not a good sign. There are tonnes of questions that have to be answered first before we can figure out anything...

What we know: mechanical mod, Sony VTC6 batteries, and your own build.

What we need to know: Are you sure the VTC6's are authentic? what atomizer your have? what resistance you're using? what gauge wire are you using? What type of wire? does everything fit fine? is the center pin of the atomizer protruding out? is this a hybrid style mod? is the vibration constant, or irregular popping? do the coils glow evenly?

All I have to say is, a regular vibration is not normal on a mechanical mod. I would just not use it until you do some more testing. Failure to do that may result in a ruined mod/battery/face.

 

[The Ocelot]

Would you continue to use your microwave if it started vibrating?

 

[Oomee]

Can often pick up a multimeter locally and at reasonable price.
There used to be 'fuses' for mech mods, are they still a 'thing' these days?

You need to step back a little and look at your situation.
You seem to have some dissonance that is reenforcing your repeat mistakes.
Basically you have 'gotten' away with bad practice without accident, and this you misplace as valid knowledge/experience.

If you look at things critically, you have been very lucky to not have 'come a cropper' due to your bad electrical practices.

The solution is not so tough though, get a multimeter, learn to use it, learn Ohms law, battery specs, get a fuse(?)... etc.

The good people here will help, but you have to be wary of that cognitive dissonance biasing you towards accepting past mistakes as knowledge/experience.

Good luck, don't let the angry pixies out of that Lithium uncontrolled!

 

[Asbestos4004]

I think he said dual PARALLEL coils, 24 GA, 3 wraps each. I'm thinking that's well under .1 ohm.

Saying "I've been doing this a long time and I know what I'm doing "....And then this....It's kind of a contradiction. If you know what your doing, build a coil or 2 that fall within the specs of your batteries and make them vape better than that crap you're messing with. That's what someone who knew what they were doing would do. Nobody is impressed by low builds anymore. What's impressive is getting the same results without having to risk injury to yourself and those within your blast radius.

Dual PARALLEL coils , 24 GA 3 mm, 3 wraps each will be around .05 ohms. That's only asking 84 amps out of a single 18650. What could go wrong?

 

[The Ocelot]

I think he said dual PARALLEL coils, 24 GA, 3 wraps each. I'm thinking that's well under .1 ohm.

Saying "I've been doing this a long time and I know what I'm doing "....And then this....It's kind of a contradiction. If you know what your doing, build a coil or 2 that fall within the specs of your batteries and make them vape better than that crap you're messing with. That's what someone who knew what they were doing would do. Nobody is impressed by low builds anymore. What's impressive is getting the same results without having to risk injury to yourself and those within your blast radius.

Dual PARALLEL coils , 24 GA 3 mm, 3 wraps each will be around .05 ohms. That's only asking 84 amps out of a single 18650. What could go wrong?

Why not add a battery with the word "fire" in the name just for giggles?

 

[BlueMoods]

I do wish I could just sent that vibrating mod to Myth Busters so they could see how may times it could fire before going BOOM in one of their test boxes.

Then give the OP a nice regulated mod and a bag of ready made coils, and a lecture on battery safety and, ohms law.

 

[BrotherBob]

Im very scared to vape now, please help out. thanks

Welcome and glad you joined. Lots of great advice given, I think you have the idea.

 

[venomwolf]

Can often pick up a multimeter locally and at reasonable price.
There used to be 'fuses' for mech mods, are they still a 'thing' these days?

You need to step back a little and look at your situation.
You seem to have some dissonance that is reenforcing your repeat mistakes.
Basically you have 'gotten' away with bad practice without accident, and this you misplace as valid knowledge/experience.

If you look at things critically, you have been very lucky to not have 'come a cropper' due to your bad electrical practices.

The solution is not so tough though, get a multimeter, learn to use it, learn Ohms law, battery specs, get a fuse(?)... etc.

The good people here will help, but you have to be wary of that cognitive dissonance biasing you towards accepting past mistakes as knowledge/experience.

Good luck, don't let the angry pixies out of that Lithium uncontrolled!

Sir I would like to thank you for understanding my situation, Which others seems to take my explaination as not knowing enough.

What you described "bassically....... knowledge/experience" is exactly what I've been trying to explain. I may not be the most knowledgeable and a vaping veteran but I am very much aware of the danger and how my super low build is endangering myself. I know my build is around or even lower than .1ohms and I know my battery limits at 20A and Im pushing around 42A. I am well aware.

This bad habit seems to grow on me ever since me and my friends started going lower and lower and getting to comfortable with the safety. I used to be the one to remind a friend of mine who was using a 0.07ohms on his mech to stop, but somehow at some point of time Ive lost this safety concern habit.

And I would like to thank everyone in the replies who have helped me regain my safety concern. A special thank you for you sir who clearly understands my message and deliver them more clearly for everyone else.

So everyone, I have built a new coil and Ive measured it, 0.22ohms. Ive also got a new battery, the VTC4 since it has CDR rating of 30A.

However, I do have a question. What build is safe to go for big clouds? with the new coil Im unsatisfied with the clouds it generates. However Im not interested in potentially blowing up my mod with such a low build again. So, what kind of coil build would anyone suggest for cloud chasing at maximum 0.15ohms (4.2v at 0.15ohms gives 28A). Aliens? Dual aliens? claptons? any ideas? thanks.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Why not just buy a multi cell, high wattage regulated mod? The danger decreases dramatically.

Not that mechs are dangerous, but the way you're going about them is. A DNA 200 will crush a tube mech in the cloud category. A mech will struggle to light up these dual aliens and other complex builds. A DNA will fire em right up. Plus, you might find you can achieve the vapor volume you want with a .5 ohm build. But if you insist on building around .1, a regulated mod is a safer way of going about it.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Just a side note....I'm glad the op is now a member of ecf. When he mentioned him and his buddies building lower and lower, it triggered a thought....

I've hung out in vape shop when I first got into this hobby and I even went to a couple vape expos. It occurred to me that I can't ever recall seeing multiple ecf members in the same place. At least, it wasn't brought up that they were ecf members...
Ecf is where I learned to respect these batteries we use. The battery was the part I always just took for granted. Shiny came first, then flavor, then ....You know the drill.

The more I read on here with the battery concerns, the more I noticed how many people had no idea what they were doing. When I'd try to point something out, more often than not, I was met with blank stares. But maybe a tiny bit sunk in and someone did some additional research on their own. Then, they told someone that they were messing up.....And so on.

Hopefully, the op can share some of this info with his buddies.

I don't think it's ecf members that are venting cells....We almost vent alot of them, though!

 

[venomwolf]

Why not just buy a multi cell, high wattage regulated mod? The danger decreases dramatically.

Not that mechs are dangerous, but the way you're going about them is. A DNA 200 will crush a tube mech in the cloud category. A mech will struggle to light up these dual aliens and other complex builds. A DNA will fire em right up. Plus, you might find you can achieve the vapor volume you want with a .5 ohm build. But if you insist on building around .1, a regulated mod is a safer way of going about it.

Hello, Thank you for your suggestions but this has been quite contradictory with my personal experience. My first mod was the evic v2 mini, a single 18650 mod. Ive built as low as the mod allows me to but It was just too unsatisfactory, yes the cloud was good but compared to mech 18650 it was nothing. I switched to smoant battlestar, It was great but I wasnt using it for cloud chasing as I had a mech at the same time I had the battlestar so I used it as more of a flavor setup. Then my latest regulated mod was the therion 166, with the newest DNA250 chip if i recall correctly. This performs really well and much better than the evic and the battlestar. But again never seem to help me make huge clouds.

Which is why I decided that regulated mods arent really my thing. From its bulk to price and performance doesnt seem to be as satisfactory as say my clone mechs. If by any chance you can suggest a much better mods I would appreciate it, but again a solution for single 18650 mech are more of my thing.

I know I might sound very whiny and not considering regulated mods like many replies suggested but yeah Its just not my thing. No means of offense to anyone who are a fan of regulated mods or was the one suggesting it for me.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Hello, Thank you for your suggestions but this has been quite contradictory with my personal experience. My first mod was the evic v2 mini, a single 18650 mod. Ive built as low as the mod allows me to but It was just too unsatisfactory, yes the cloud was good but compared to mech 18650 it was nothing. I switched to smoant battlestar, It was great but I wasnt using it for cloud chasing as I had a mech at the same time I had the battlestar so I used it as more of a flavor setup. Then my latest regulated mod was the therion 166, with the newest DNA250 chip if i recall correctly. This performs really well and much better than the evic and the battlestar. But again never seem to help me make huge clouds.

Which is why I decided that regulated mods arent really my thing. From its bulk to price and performance doesnt seem to be as satisfactory as say my clone mechs. If by any chance you can suggest a much better mods I would appreciate it, but again a solution for single 18650 mech are more of my thing.

I know I might sound very whiny and not considering regulated mods like many replies suggested but yeah Its just not my thing. No means of offense to anyone who are a fan of regulated mods or was the one suggesting it for me.

I get it.... Regulated isn't my thing either...But neither is cloud chasing. I generally build around .3-.4 single coils with 24ga SS. I understand the allure and simplicity of mechanical devices. But challenge yourself.
Back in the day, we thought we had to build ultra low on a mech to get clouds. We know alot more these days. There are several options for wire that we didn't have before. Heat flux was never considered. Airflow has become a science. Combine all of these new discoveries and forget the old mentality that "if it's not on the razors edge, it sucks."
Or look into a parallel mech box?

Point is, the build you described earlier was a .05, not a .15. That's 84 amps. What are you going to remember for the rest of your life...The missing finger, the busted teeth, the injured bystander or the cloud?

 

[retired1]

Ive also got a new battery, the VTC4 since it has CDR rating of 30A.

The VTC4 is a 20A battery, not 30. These batteries made by LG are 30A (HB2, HB4 and HB6). The Sony VTC3 is also a 30A battery, but tested out to just 28A. There are no other 30A 18650 batteries out there. None. Nada. Zilch. Do NOT trust the wrapper.

You need to educate yourself on battery safety before continuing your use of a mech mod. This includes determining what the battery's actual capacity is and not going by what's written on the battery wrap. Mooch has an excellent blog that will provide the information you need and can be found here: Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[venomwolf]

I was interested in getting a parallel mech mod once, but 2 factors always push me away.
1. bulk, as I mentioned earlier I love having a single battery mod because its just small enough to carry around nicely.
2. its very difficult to find parallel mech mods in my country. Ive only seen people selling the noisy cricket v2. which has parallel and series option. In fact a friend of mine own one. This to my knowing is not a "true mech" they have some kind of chip inside.

As for coiling options it always many suggested prebuilts. Ive tried this. Its a popular local brand, but it was just horrible vape experience for me. The coil fires very very slowly despite being around .18ohms if i recalled. So my friends told me to get a builder to build me one and they introduced me to one in a local vapeshop. He builds well, and my friend has a satisfying vape with his coils, and Ive tried my friend's setup it was great. however the coils was around $10 a pair, this may not sound expensive to some people abroad but here $10 could get you alot, its our highest value paper bill. Imported coils like Mterk's , Squidoode's , etc. goes around $35 here. For me, this coils are too expensive.

So, as far as I know building my own coils is my best option now.

 

[venomwolf]

The VTC4 is a 20A battery, not 30. These batteries made by LG are 30A (HB2, HB4 and HB6). The Sony VTC3 is also a 30A battery, but tested out to just 28A. There are no other 30A 18650 batteries out there. None. Nada. Zilch. Do NOT trust the wrapper.

You need to educate yourself on battery safety before continuing your use of a mech mod. This includes determining what the battery's actual capacity is and not going by what's written on the battery wrap. Mooch has an excellent blog that will provide the information you need and can be found here: Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

Ohh thats a great information, Thanks.
Ive been aware not to trust wrappers and have been hearing about mooch's blog, checked them once before.
I always thought sony is the only company to always write accurate rating on their wrappers so I didnt bother checking. But thank you for telling me otherwise