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Gotta be honest when I read your OP on this subject I thought the same thing. You're allowing you addiction to trick your mind into thinking this is a valid reason. You wanna smoke and now your just looking for a reason to justify it.

I did the same thing the last time I quit. I found a lump on my right shoulder that wasnt there 6 months before and immediately thought the worse.I went to get it checked out the very next day and luckily it turned out to be a lipoma and very benign.

I started searching back to what changes in the past year might have caused this (never thinking that being 42 was a prime consideration) and settled on vaping as the culprit. Even did a few searches to see if anyone has similar results and there were none that I could find.

Then I did the stupidest thing imaginable and used it as an excuse to go back to analogs for 6 months.


Point of this story is dont underestimate you addiction to nicotine, it can be insidious and make rational adults do stupid things.
 

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My father died of lung cancer more than 20 years after quitting smoking, and my uncle (his brother) met the same fate more than 20 years after quitting smoking. My other uncle (his other brother) never quit smoking, and never got cancer (yet).

I saw a show on TV once a long time ago about a doctor who had a theory about quitting smoking actually causing cancer. I know it sounds strange, and I posted about it here a while back...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-discussion/364067-may-sound-strange-but.html

Today, I did a quick internet search and found this...

Does quitting smoking cause cancer? By Ixedoc and Baab Mallya | Sulekha Creative

Now my red flag is up. I quit smoking for about 4 months by using e-cig's, but I have recently fallen off the wagon after taking a drag of my wife's cigarette and started smoking part time again.

Now... I'm thinking of using e-cig's to limit my smoking, and not totally quit. This may sound like an exuse to keep smoking, but I have smoked for over 40 years, and smoked 2 to 3 packs a day. If I cut down to even half a pack a day and used the e-cig's as a supliment, it probably wouldn't do much more harm than the 40+ years of heavy smoking that I already have under my belt.

Here is the article...




The sub specialty of Neurosurgery that interested me was Neurosurgical Oncology, study of brain and spinal tumors. What better place to do that than at Memorial Sloan-KetteringCancer Centerin New York. I was distressed by the sheer number of cancer cases of all types.

Soon after I started my Fellowship as I was examining a patient, he said “doc I used to smoke but gave it up six months ago, now they tell me I have lung cancer”. I never paid much attention to that remark until fourth patient remarked similarly that she had quit smoking few months back and now she has lung cancer.

It was at Sloan-Kettering for the first time the association between smoking and lung cancer was identified. Being a smoker myself, I was surprised at the unusual remarks these patients were making and decided pay more attention to it.

From that day every single patient I saw with a brain tumor that had metastasized from lung, I kept a record as to their smoking pattern. Also made a notation as to if they had quit smoking, how long ago.

I even went to Thoracic Surgery ward and started screening patient charts, what I was noticing was a sinister pattern. Majority of patients with lung cancer were smokers who after several years of smoking had quit smoking.

What is the link here? After one stops smoking, the healing process that starts, doesn’t know when to stop?
Are lung cancers triggered by stopping smoking?

The clinically high correlation between smoking and carcinoma of the lungs has been the focal point in societal campaigns against the habit and the tobacco lobby. In an overview of personal history in a number of lung cancer patients locally, we am struck by the more than casual relationship between the appearance of lung cancer – and an abrupt and recent cessation of the smoking habit in many, if not most cases.

The association is more than just casual – development of cancer within a few months of eschewing cigarette smoking.
Over a period of 4 years, a total of 312 cases were treated for carcinoma of pulmonary origin: of this number, 182 patients had quit smoking within five to fifteen months prior to their being diagnosed with lung cancer. Of the 182 patients 142 were male and 40 were females, with ages ranged between 47 to 74.

Each one of had been addicted to the habit for no less than twenty-five years, smoking in excess of twenty sticks a day. The striking direct statistical correlation between cessation of smoking to the development of lung malignancies, more than 60% plus, is too glaring to be dismissed as coincidental.
It is our premise that a surge and spurt in re-activation of bodily healing and repair mechanisms of chronic smoke-damaged respiratory epithelia is induced and spurred by an abrupt discontinuation of habit, goes awry, triggering uncontrolled cell division and tumor genesis. In normal tissue healing, anabolic and catabolic processes achieve equilibrium approximately 6-8 weeks after the original insult. When an imbalance occurs between these phases occur in the healing process, disruptions in repair limitations occur leading to tumor genesis – this sequence is best exemplified in the formation of keloids from scars (1, 2)

Nicotine stimulates corticotrophin – releasing factor (CRF) besides increasing the level of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), both of which interfere with immune systems (3) Abrupt withdrawal of the addictive drug could trigger derangement of the ‘smoking – steroid’ conferred immunity, priming the healing lung epithelia to dangerous levels uncontrolled cell division

Should chronic addicts be weaned or tapered off tobacco instead of being advised to giving up smoking overnight? Should the immune and re-vitalizing mechanisms be given time lapse to adjust to the withdrawal? Larger studies and mass reviews of case histories in lung cancer patients could throw more light on this, rather unusual clinical observation. No doubt, tobacco kills too many. Or does it?
We are pleased to inform you that your manuscript entitled "Are lung cancers triggered by giving up smoking?" (MH-Ref. No. YMEHY-D-06-00801R2) has been accepted for publication in Medical Hypotheses.

All corresponding authors of accepted papers for Medical Hypotheses receive free membership of the Medical Hypotheses Network (MHN) for the year in which their paper was accepted and the following year. As an MHN member you are entitled to free access to the Journal online. Your membership number is 1382 and instructions for activating your access are appended below this letter.

With kind regards

Bruce G Charlton MD
Editor in Chief
Medical Hypotheses

There have been several studies suggesting this. To me, it makes complete sense. To abruptly withdraw chemicals that one's body has grown used to over several decades could cause some major trauma. I have continued to smoke, albeit far less, after starting vaping 4 years ago. Like you, all but one of the three people I knew who had lung cancer, had quit smoking years before. Since we know very little about how cancer actually develops, this theory makes as much sense as any others.
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Does quitting smoking cause cancer? By Ixedoc and Baab Mallya | Sulekha Creative
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I knew most people would respond negativly to this, but this is something that people should know about none the less.

I don't have to be told that smoking is bad. I know it.

I don't have to be told that this is a good exuse to keep smoking. I know it.

The point is... none of us are doctors or scientist's (although many act like they are), and we can all post our opinions here, but no one knows for sure exactly how all this stuff works yet, and we cannot excuse this simply because we do not want to believe that it is possible.

People should be aware of any and all information, and not just information that we think they should be made aware of.

I think we should all sit back and think about the way we influence others, and take responsability for it.
 

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from the article“Furthermore, they often quit with no difficulty, despite multiple previous unsuccessful quit attempts. This has led us to speculate that, in some cases, spontaneous smoking cessation may be an early symptom of lung cancer,” she added.

Spontaneous smoking cessation might be a presenting symptom of lung cancer, possibly caused by the secretion of a substance from the tumor mass, which interferes with nicotine addiction, scientists believe.

Heading over to bookmark this study from the JTO for after dinner reading tonight.

I knew most people would respond negativly to this, but this is something that people should know about none the less.

I don't have to be told that smoking is bad. I know it.

I don't have to be told that this is a good exuse to keep smoking. I know it.

The point is... none of us are doctors or scientist's (although many act like they are), and we can all post our opinions here, but no one knows for sure exactly how all this stuff works yet, and we cannot excuse this simply because we do not want to believe that it is possible.

People should be aware of any and all information, and not just information that we think they should be made aware of.

I think we should all sit back and think about the way we influence others, and take responsability for it.

At least in this thread your point emerged from the message, rather being buried in it.
 

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Howdy,

Ok, I can see this is of interest however have the also looked in to the geographical areas of the people. Realistically people in city environments inhale enough pollutants that its equivalent of a half a pack of smokes a day. Carbon Monoxide is a known carcinogen along with various other particulate matter in the air that is atomized from local factories and foundries in the area. This is not an unheard of issue and is well known by most health professionals; also since cancer is the mutation of cellular material it would be hard to identify the presence of cancerous cellular mutations until they have reached a noticeable level.
I guess looking at how fragile life is due to a previous encounter of mine I tend to realize that living life as if today was my last day is the way to go. Truthfully there is no contractual agreement that you will have tomorrow anyways so might as well live today to its maximum extent.
If you want to smoke then no one here is going to stop you, just offer suggestions on what to expect down the road and how to maybe avoid those issues. Truthfully you'll make up your own mind in the long run regardless of the suggestions and opinions offered; it’s what makes us human after all is free will and choices we make :).
 

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I have thought of things like this but usually it's when I can't sleep and I think too much, trying to solve the world's problems with the help of caffeine and nicotine. I BARELY have a high school education so I am hardly qualified to be going down that road except it never stops me, apparently it's my twisted way of counting sheep. When I was 16 in 1981, My dad quit smoking... we teased him because he got fat. He pleaded with me to quit! 20 days before his 49th birthday in 1994 he passed away from malignant melanoma. I have lived in fear since that I will die young too.

3 years ago my best friend passed away from lung cancer. She was 51, and a breast cancer survivor. She was also a smoker.

Right before Thanksgiving a childhood friend was waiting for his next client, he owns a tattoo shop, he was having dinner with a friend while he was waiting, suddenly he grabbed his stomach, said help and collapsed. His friend did CPR and called 911. He had no heartbeat for 45 minutes. Somehow my friend was back at work this past Thursday. His heart is healthy according to all the tests, they have no idea what caused his heart to just stop but it did.

Death will come to us all and the older I get, the more of it touches me, the more I realize that life is so very short, each moment is precious. Live each day as if it could be your last, treat each person you meet as if what you do or say could be the last words spoken to them. Live, laugh, love, and make memories!!
 

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Back in the old days of a village surgery and the local doc, my mum was terribly distressed about a friend who had recently died of cancer. My dear ol' doc gave her some (what I think are) wise words for a (small) village GP back in the 60's before all the studies and so on - "Mrs XXXX", he said, if we are lucky enough to avoid everything else in our journey through life, we would all ultimately die of cancer".
 

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What about COPD? Chronic bronchitis? Increased risk of colds & pneumonia? Further damage to the lungs? Damage to arteries? Stress on the heart and the CO smokers have in the bloodstream. I think we have to factor these things in too, in addition to the "C" word.

The "Stop smoking people" claim that risks of cancer are significantly reduced after quitting smoking supposedly backed up by data. That data would probably negate the hypothesis of the article. So.....

That's my current thinking on this. 1st impression.

Even if the chances of getting cancer are increased slightly the 1st few years or whatever, I think it would be a "Net long term gain" to quit completely. In other words, looking at only one isolated variable (cancer risk) may miss a lot of the "big picture".
 
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What about COPD? Chronic bronchitis? Increased risk of colds & pneumonia? Further damage to the lungs? I think we have to factor these things in too, in addition to the "C" word.

The "Stop smoking people" claim that risks of cancer are significantly reduced after quitting smoking supposedly backed up by data. That data would probably negate the hypothesis of the article. So.....

That's my current thinking on this. 1st impression.

Even if the chances of getting cancer are increased slightly the 1st few years or whatever, I think it would be a "Net long term gain" to quit completely.

I'm here to tell you that quitting before you develop COPD is a fine idea. There is no going back once you have it, there's no cure. Three years ago I worked more than full-time in an otherwise all male plant lifting 75+ pound boxes all day 6 days a week, now I need to stop and rest 2 or 3 times to carry one bag of groceries up a flight of stairs. I worried about lung cancer when I smoked, but never gave much thought to COPD. I was still smoking when I was diagnosed with it, and didn't want to quit entirely even though intellectually I was aware it was an extremely bad idea to continue. I tried smoking part-time and found very quickly that even just one cigarette would make me weaker, sicker and in more pain. COPD isn't the disease that the heroine dies of in dramatic movies, it's off most smokers radars and that's a shame. I don't have the statistics, but it's my understanding that it's probably a disease smokers should concern themselves with more than cancer. Certainly it's something to consider very seriously.
 

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Thanks OP for the food for thought.

Thanks sherid for the link

Here is the article (?)/study(?)findings(?) itself: Spontaneous Smoking Cessation Before Lung Cancer Diagnosis : Journal of Thoracic Oncology

Journal of Thoracic Oncology:
March 2011 - Volume 6 - Issue 3 - pp 517-524


Author Information

*Department of Medicine, Philadelphia Veterans Affairs Medical Center; †Department of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania; ‡Departments of Public Health and Pediatrics, Temple University; §Department of Psychiatry, Transdisciplinary Tobacco Use Research Center, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and ∥Department of Community Health and Epidemiology, Queen's University, Kingston, Canada.

Disclosure: The authors declare no conflicts of interest.

Address for correspondence: Barbara G. Campling, MD, 834 Chestnut Street, Suite 314, Philadelphia, PA 19107. E-mail: Barbara.Campling@jefferson.edu

Barbara G. Campling is currently at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, PA
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I got cancer after I quit smoking and started vaping. Was it the cause? NO. My immune system was the cause.

Looking back, I wish I'd weaned myself to allow my immune system to adjust, but then I would probably still be smoking and it's awful hard to go to cancer appts. smelling like a piece of garbage and sitting through cancer appts. without being able to smoke. With vaping, I can go a full day without going crazy, and if I'm in a bind, I can figure out how to do it without anyone knowing.
 

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I'm here to tell you that quitting before you develop COPD is a fine idea. There is no going back once you have it, there's no cure. Three years ago I worked more than full-time in an otherwise all male plant lifting 75+ pound boxes all day 6 days a week, now I need to stop and rest 2 or 3 times to carry one bag of groceries up a flight of stairs. I worried about lung cancer when I smoked, but never gave much thought to COPD. I was still smoking when I was diagnosed with it, and didn't want to quit entirely even though intellectually I was aware it was an extremely bad idea to continue. I tried smoking part-time and found very quickly that even just one cigarette would make me weaker, sicker and in more pain. COPD isn't the disease that the heroine dies of in dramatic movies, it's off most smokers radars and that's a shame. I don't have the statistics, but it's my understanding that it's probably a disease smokers should concern themselves with more than cancer. Certainly it's something to consider very seriously.

Exactly!

My father died of COPD. My husband was diagnosed with the beginning stages.

It's a long process of suffocating to death.
 
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