My Vision for the Future

[Vwls]

It's been a year for me and much longer for the pioneers. And I know, beyond a shadow of any doubt, how ridiculously superior vaping is to smoking. How much more enjoyable, healthy, versatile, aesthetically pleasing, tolerable to others, etc, etc.

It's to the point now that I see someone with a cigarette and I think... Why? Why in the world would anyone smoke anymore? There is truly no point - no need. It's outlived itself and has been replaced more effectively than ANYTHING has ever been replaced. Why would ANYONE ever smoke when they can vape? When the technology and innovation have produced a solution so much better than the problem, that the problem is now inherently passé.

Especially when I see young people smoking. This is a matter simply of information deprivation. Nothing more.

I dream. I dream of a world in which no young person ever thinks of taking up smoking. Because to do so would be as anachronistic as buying a horse and buggy instead of a car. A world where cigarettes and all the illness they bring are a thing children read about in history books. A world that does not inhibit vaping with statutes and ignorant taxation/regulation because lawmakers know the value of human health and innovation.

I dream. And I don't think we are too far from the edge of this dream. We need doctors and lawyers and judges and hospital administrators and senators and professors. We need research and investors. We need each other. We can change the world. We are already doing it, a little at a time.

Raise a glass to the future, and picture a world where no child ever grows up to light a cigarette. Ever.
See you there.

 

[Ryedan]

You've got great vision Vwls and I agree yours a better world. The question is how do we get there.

Communication is a big part of it. There are a couple of suggestions in my sig. I do those and anything else I can. Social media is big these days

Anyone have any other ideas?

 

[DetraMental]

I would take that well written post and copy and paste it in an email to send to every congressman and senator I could. It's a great vision that I hope to have a hand in. I try to reply and act on all Daily Action Plans. I have emailed every congressman and senator mentioned in those plans as well as those with CASAA although I don't live in any of those states. Getting the word out is important no matter where you live. I love your vision and dream of it too.

 

[Rat2chat2]

Fantastic post Vwls. You have marvelous writing skills. Congrats to you on your vaping success. Is it not the best thing in the world? Happy vaping to you.

 

[Drumonron]

It's been a year for me and much longer for the pioneers. And I know, beyond a shadow of any doubt, how ridiculously superior vaping is to smoking. How much more enjoyable, healthy, versatile, aesthetically pleasing, tolerable to others, etc, etc.

It's to the point now that I see someone with a cigarette and I think... Why? Why in the world would anyone smoke anymore? There is truly no point - no need. It's outlived itself and has been replaced more effectively than ANYTHING has ever been replaced. Why would ANYONE ever smoke when they can vape? When the technology and innovation have produced a solution so much better than the problem, that the problem is now inherently passé.

Especially when I see young people smoking. This is a matter simply of information deprivation. Nothing more.

I dream. I dream of a world in which no young person ever thinks of taking up smoking. Because to do so would be as anachronistic as buying a horse and buggy instead of a car. A world where cigarettes and all the illness they bring are a thing children read about in history books. A world that does not inhibit vaping with statutes and ignorant taxation/regulation because lawmakers know the value of human health and innovation.

I dream. And I don't think we are too far from the edge of this dream. We need doctors and lawyers and judges and hospital administrators and senators and professors. We need research and investors. We need each other. We can change the world. We are already doing it, a little at a time.

Raise a glass to the future, and picture a world where no child ever grows up to light a cigarette. Ever.
See you there.

Congrats on being off Analogs for a year! Great vision but I hope the FDA does not prevent it from becoming reality.

 

[neyel8r]

amazing vision! i genuinely hope we can see something like this very soon! & i sincerely wish vaping was around when i was a teenager... not only for me, but for all smokers at the time......

smoking is so awful & disgusting... i can't believe i actually did so as long as i did...

but i'm eternally grateful to all of the people and friends who intrigued me enough to finally take the plunge into the wonderful world of vaping!

''smoking is dead... vaping is the future... & the future is now!"

--(famous youtube person)​

 

[Vwls]

Two part journey here. One part is average folks showing other average folks how to vape... and vape well enough that there's no need to smoke.

The other part is educating decision makers and those who can influence lawmakers about vaping, and getting money pumped into the research end. Until there is good hard data (expensive!) on the short and long term affects of vaping, nothing is going to change in terms of fear mongering and bad choices by legislators.

 

[buymysandwiches]

The largest obstacle I can see is that one can't grow a vape. Almost every aspect of a vaporizer and its liquid has to be manufactured and purchased and the batteries have to constantly be charged. That is a huge problem for most (probably) of the world's population. In terms of first world countries though I think vaping is stigmatized only because it is new.

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[Vwls]

Agreed. ^

My vision may be limited to non third-world and that is a definite limitation. But smoking is a problem of the wealthy, at least comparatively speaking. It's like overeating. People not blessed to have disposable income don't have these problems.

 

[edyle]

You've got great vision Vwls and I agree yours a better world. The question is how do we get there.

Communication is a big part of it. There are a couple of suggestions in my sig. I do those and anything else I can. Social media is big these days

Anyone have any other ideas?

Chest X-Rays: Before and After.

 

[Mazinny]

Agreed. ^

My vision may be limited to non third-world and that is a definite limitation. But smoking is a problem of the wealthy, at least comparatively speaking. It's like overeating. People not blessed to have disposable income don't have these problems.

Unfortunately, you are wrong there. I was travelling through China a few years ago, and it seemed every one i saw, especially migrant workers, peasants and lower income people in general was smoking. I mean, in buses, elevators, everywhere.

 

[williebb123]

in my dream the FDA hands out as many free e cigs as the health dept hands out free condoms to little school children

 

[Vwls]

Unfortunately, you are wrong there. I was travelling through China a few years ago, and it seemed every one i saw, especially migrant workers, peasants and lower income people in general was smoking. I mean, in buses, elevators, everywhere.

Well if they can afford tobacco and rolling papers, we have to make sure they can afford juice, vaporizers, batteries and chargers. Which means we need to be sure they have electricity. So you've just hit on a third leg of the vision that can't be ignored. Likely the issues will be addressed in the affluent areas of the world first, and then some trickle-down will be seen across poverty stricken communities... years later. That is generally the trend with major health breakthroughs.

 

[Mazinny]

Well if they can afford tobacco and rolling papers, we have to make sure they can afford juice, vaporizers, batteries and chargers. Which means we need to be sure they have electricity. So you've just hit on a third leg of the vision that can't be ignored. Likely the issues will be addressed in the affluent areas of the world first, and then some trickle-down will be seen across poverty stricken communities... years later. That is generally the trend with major health breakthroughs.

There are literally hundreds of local cigarette brands in China and the cost of a pack is under fifty cents. Obviously they don't tax the product.

You are absolutely right, that for vaping to become widespread, there needs to be a coordinated effort between policy makers, academia, industry etc... The biggest obstacle currently is from the politicians and the narrow minded belief that if it looks like smoking, it can't be good. I was shocked to find that the World Health Organization has an even stronger anti e-cig inclination than the fda and cdc.

From a more technical perspective, there needs to be something done about the quality of coils in the market. There have been major improvements in clearo design and juice quality etc... Dekang and Hangsen for example offer decent juice at a very affordable price. But the coils have not improved at all in the last five years. Clearly there is a need for mass produced, reliable, consistent and quality controlled coils that work every time.

When a new vapor has to deal with leaking, gurgling, dry hits, burnt coils etc... they are more likely to go back to smoking. A majority of ex smokers are not inclined to re-build. It is not acceptable that the consumer has to make adjustments and improvements to a product purchased for a particular purpose. Cig-a-likes are not satisfying enough for a majority of ex-smokers, so on the pv side of the industry there is an absolute need for more consistency and reliability in products, especially the coils and wicking medium, to make the vaping experience hassle free for the beginner.

 

[edyle]

There are literally hundreds of local cigarette brands in China and the cost of a pack is under fifty cents. Obviously they don't tax the product.

You are absolutely right, that for vaping to become widespread, there needs to be a coordinated effort between policy makers, academia, industry etc... The biggest obstacle currently is from the politicians and the narrow minded belief that if it looks like smoking, it can't be good. I was shocked to find that the World Health Organization has an even stronger anti e-cig inclination than the fda and cdc.

From a more technical perspective, there needs to be something done about the quality of coils in the market. There have been major improvements in clearo design and juice quality etc... Dekang and Hangsen for example offer decent juice at a very affordable price. But the coils have not improved at all in the last five years. Clearly there is a need for mass produced, reliable, consistent and quality controlled coils that work every time.

When a new vapor has to deal with leaking, gurgling, dry hits, burnt coils etc... they are more likely to go back to smoking. A majority of ex smokers are not inclined to re-build. It is not acceptable that the consumer has to make adjustments and improvements to a product purchased for a particular purpose. Cig-a-likes are not satisfying enough for a majority of ex-smokers, so on the pv side of the industry there is an absolute need for more consistency and reliability in products, especially the coils and wicking medium, to make the vaping experience hassle free for the beginner.

Tanks are getting bigger, so maybe coils will get bigger.
When coils get bigger, they will be more serviceable/cleanable/rewickable. Right now they are very FRAGILE.
When you can pop in a 28 gauge coil and run that for a month or three with just cleaning, that will be a major milestone.
Right now the only way to do that is diy rebuildable.

 

[Mazinny]

Tanks are getting bigger, so maybe coils will get bigger.
When coils get bigger, they will be more serviceable/cleanable/rewickable. Right now they are very FRAGILE.
When you can pop in a 28 gauge coil and run that for a month or three with just cleaning, that will be a major milestone.
Right now the only way to do that is diy rebuildable.

I agree, but even in their current size, i fit 10 wraps of 29 gauge kanthal ( tensioned microcoil ) easily in a kanger coil assembly unit. The problem is that the coils are hand wrapped, and it would take way too long, to make a coil like mine, for it to be economically feasible, even for what the Chinese pay their factory workers. I am also certain that Kanger doesn't want a coil to last "a month or three".

I just don't understand why precision machines can not be designed to do the coil wrapping.

 

[edyle]

I agree, but even in their current size, i fit 10 wraps of 29 gauge kanthal ( tensioned microcoil ) easily in a kanger coil assembly unit. The problem is that the coils are hand wrapped, and it would take way too long, to make a coil like mine, for it to be economically feasible, even for what the Chinese pay their factory workers. I am also certain that Kanger doesn't want a coil to last "a month or three".

I just don't understand why precision machines can not be designed to do the coil wrapping.

Well I'm not so sure wrapping 10 wraps of 29 gauge kanthal can be described as easy; certainly not when comparing to 34, 32 or 30 gauge.

Wouldn't want them to be handmade; preferably;
Would want mass produced, mechanised production, high tolerance (not requiring high precision), welded (not pressure contact).

Glass tanks will break; it would even make economic sense to make long lasting coils while selling replacement glass tubes.
The problem with the coils is the fragility.

 

[Mazinny]

Well I'm not so sure wrapping 10 wraps of 29 gauge kanthal can be described as easy; certainly not when comparing to 34, 32 or 30 gauge.

Wouldn't want them to be handmade; preferably;
Would want mass produced, mechanised production, high tolerance (not requiring high precision), welded (not pressure contact).

Glass tanks will break; it would even make economic sense to make long lasting coils while selling replacement glass tubes.
The problem with the coils is the fragility.

By easy, i meant it easily fits, given the current size factor. And yes, that is my point exactly, we need mechanized production of coils !