neds Loong Totem Update 2

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ned Zeppelin

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With testing L. T. in the last few days I have found by opening up the tip of the cartridge atomiser. That's the rubber cap on top then dripping about four or five drops onto the sponge or paper or which you want to call it and letting it soak in overnight then blowing the excess liquid out.


Works not to bad. Producing more kick in the back of the throat. Which that is what I am personally after. Flavour wise I am using Marlborough high. You do get a slight hint of taste but not great. But what you have to remember that I am adding this to a moist cartridge.


So whether this works better when dripping liquid into a dry cartridge makes any difference I don't know as yet.
This seems to be lasting strength wise around five to six cigarettes but saying that as some of you will know my batteries ain't the greatest.


Because my batteries aren't lasting very long at present. When the power goes down the kick gets weaker. Then put new battery on then works fine again.


When the battery is fully charged you can hear the atomiser doing its job. These L. T. atomisers do crackle and pop and can spit liquid into your mouth. That's why you can only put small amount of liquid there.
But at present findings I do feel with a good high-Strength battery this e-cig could fly.
How long the liquid I drip in will last in proper length I cannot answer at present because of dodgy batteries which I am currently looking in to regarding trying to get them replaced.


How long a new cartridge would last doing this I don't know as yet. Vapour wise is okay not constant but all right. You do have two prime it a bit which does help. Seems to work better when warm.


As the cartridge starts to dry out the taste becomes a little bit more harsher. But as yet I am trying not to let it dry out just to see how long this cartridge atomiser will last before using a new one.


As for taste like I said before is only slight hint of whatever you use. taste for me personally isn't the be all and end all its all in the strength for me personally having coming from handrolling cigarettes.


So whether adding flavours that our US friends tend use will work I can't answer that. As I find people from all over the world. All of us have different eating habits. It seems to me British people seem to want a more realistic tobacco cigarette taste but don't quote me as the British are starting to try new flavours. Which is good if that's what their choice preference is.


Example.


Some British tend to like the good old-fashioned fry up eggs and bacon etc. or cereal and milk or if your hip continental breakfast
The US- Canada- Caribbean-Mexico etc seem to like more sweet things especially for breakfast.
Europeans Germans and near seem to like more spicy foods for breakfast



I am not trying to be sarcastic or cause offence by any of this is just my observations while I've been on tour around the world.


So we all have different taste buds. When I'm hungry I like something wholesome and cannot bear anything sweet when I am starving as an example. But that's me and not for everybody.
So for me personally I cannot wait till they crack a liquid that replicates a real smoking experience. And I think this will probably satisfy the British more and probably some other nations to and then we might stop complaining regarding the sweet taste we currently get.

This is for me personally and I mean me. All I want is electronic cigarette that has the flavour and kick of a real cigarette.
I don't want to feel if I am smoking a strawberry or a cherry nor chocolate etc and by the way the cherry to me taste like vinto and I love vinto but this can get a little confusing when drinking vinto and smoking cherry at the same time. Anyway I'm sorry to bore you regarding all our taste requirements but I do think we need to take this into consideration when we all don't come and eat from the same country.


Quick up date while I have been writing this I have noticed that I am now getting that slight atomiser burning taste starting to happen . So I have looked in the cartridge and it looks to be starting to dry out around the outer part of paper/sponge. So I have just put a few more drops of liquid down in two soak and we will see how we get on.
It doesn't tend to absorb the liquid very quickly that's why it's best to leave it for a while. But I truly think if you like your smoke with flavour like you get with pen styles with present technology don't even go there. It isn't going to be for you but this is my opinion .


At the present cartridge strength the L. T. would be probably be ideal for low tar smokers.
Example-in my company one of my employees who works in my design and graphics studio for me has tried all of our various electronic cigarettes that we have bought and because she smokes low tar says she prefers the L. T. to the rest. So I might have a buyer if I can't get on with it.
Anyway the two kissbox classic one of each colour have just arrived. .


dam another 16 hours charging time.

 

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Thanks for the update Ned. Funny thing about cart flavours, I'm starting to like the Marlboro ones. I never liked Marlboro as a cigarette, but amongst the e-cig flavours it's more like tobacco than nearly any other (only Sedansa Tabac and Janty Reg Tobacco taste better to me)

Emp

Same here emp the malboro liquid has caught my fancy 2
 

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Thanks for the update Ned. Funny thing about cart flavours, I'm starting to like the Marlboro ones. I never liked Marlboro as a cigarette, but amongst the e-cig flavours it's more like tobacco than nearly any other (only Sedansa Tabac and Janty Reg Tobacco taste better to me)

Emp

Thanks emp and kit
I have not tried to many flavours as yet but I find the Marlborough perhaps the most realistic at present. I think sedansa tobacco cartridges are Marlborough because they sure are close. But I do have an actual sedansa Marlborough cartridge to try as well in my sample pack but have not been able to try this as I am still waiting for the flipping replacement to come.


The strongest Marlborough liquid that I have come across so far is from pillbox. But he advertises this as pipe liquid. So whether that explains the fuller flavour who knows but it is sure good but he does not seem to be stocking that much.


I have not tried the
Janty Reg yet but my Janty 2 kissbox arrived this afternoon and with that I did order 50 regular tobacco cartridges plus some H. D. tobacco and Marlborough oh plus a few others and Miss Diane had to have some chocolate ones to.
 

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what i don't understand ned is how letting a cart soak over night give you a more power-full hit than just dripping the cart and smoking ???

Hi kit
The reason that I have been letting it soak is because it doesn't absorb -- very quickly I first tried letting it just sit on the top of the sponge but then it just spits back in my mouth. The atomiser is totally different to what we used to. Its like the paper or sponge whichever you call it is wrapped round the atomiser itself a bit like the way microwave works cooking from the inside to the outside. From what I can say at present. I have not taking one to pieces as yet though.


So this is why I'm having to let it soak and the cartridge already moist doesn't help either.
So it will be interesting to try when the cartridge dries. Up at present I keep waiting it just to see how long one cartridge could last you doing this.
 

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Ned, I'll be very surprised if you and Miss Diane don't love those Janty Kissboxes. I futz'd around with some junk devices until I got mine. Believe this: The present E-Yellow Brick Road ends at the Kissbox. Try dripping and using the manual switch option. Hold the button down a second or two and then inhale. Gangbusters.

You know, for me, as soon as you wrote about adding liquid to the LoongTotem, it was over. These are supposed to disposables, used a day and the cartridge thrown away. That's certainly the appeal they would have to me. So it really is all about taste. Does the vapor taste great and provide a decent amount of nicotine? If so, I could see buying one. If not, forget it. You definitely tip the scale to forget it.

If you want the highest quality in e-smoking, and you don't mind dripping and refilling ... well, your batteries are charging right now!
 

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Ned, I'll be very surprised if you and Miss Diane don't love those Janty Kissboxes. I futz'd around with some junk devices until I got mine. Believe this: The present E-Yellow Brick Road ends at the Kissbox. Try dripping and using the manual switch option. Hold the button down a second or two and then inhale. Gangbusters.

You know, for me, as soon as you wrote about adding liquid to the LoongTotem, it was over. These are supposed to disposables, used a day and the cartridge thrown away. That's certainly the appeal they would have to me. So it really is all about taste. Does the vapor taste great and provide a decent amount of nicotine? If so, I could see buying one. If not, forget it. You definitely tip the scale to forget it.

If you want the highest quality in e-smoking, and you don't mind dripping and refilling ... well, your batteries are charging right now!

Hi t. Bob
Yes Bob I thought it would be good to use one cartridge and then dispose of it .but these cartridges I have are just like smoking fresh air and I have 70 plus carts to get through. So if dropping some liquid in their makes them more bearable. I have to try that rather than throw them into the trash can.


But if cartridge keeps working as well as it has been doing today least it will make up for the money that I threw at this product.
To be honest with you Bob the more I have dripped liquid in their the taste has been improving a great deal. The vapour is still there has not weakened either. So after two days it's still going. I have tried to smoke this as I would regular cigarettes perhaps a couple of three per hour and not as I usually do with the pen style welded to my lips most of the day. So we're see.


Regarding the
Janty Kissboxes it all looks very impressive so far well packaged looks really presentable not so tacky looking as your usual. The only thing that I found strange was how they package the cartridges in other words they don't seem to be sealed individually in their separate bags but I haven't opened one yet so that's what it seems to look like to me


The atomiser and cartridge mouthpiece by the way looks identical to my sedansa. Which also looks better quality to your usual e-cig
Even the mouthpiece does make a difference I have found even when I tried this on my cheaper pen style also tried using the sedansa atomiser with cheap battery and that makes that work better easier draw more of a relaxing smoke. The difference I have found when doing this it feels like a slightly underpowered version of your main brand really it's all in the output of the battery and a good atomiser.


So I personally think when you put good atomiser good battery together that's where you're sedansa and
Janty
leave the rest behind.

So the
Janty Kissboxes are now on charge in the bedroom beside Miss Diane's dressing table I just hope her snoring don't spike the batteries from charging.


 

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Hi Ned

Agree with your findings.

The reason the KB Classic atomiser works better and draws easy is cos it has four airholes (this is why you hear folks say it's like smoking air). You need a fairly substantial flavour to complement the easy draw.

This is an almost exact analogue of the light cigs I used to smoke - loads of perforations in the filter...

Emp
 

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L T seem to be charging a lot for a couple of batteries.. well.. if the cart/atomizer cost is taken of the total cost they do..

i recon they will have made sure no others fit.. they still have to get their big money somehow.. selling direct from china there must be one hell of a profit for em on these things..

but if the atomizer/carts work well and only last a few days with dripping it might be worth paying for that expensive battery up front.. only if they work well thow..

i would be happy to pay the high set up fee if the consumables including atomizes come cheap.. offer me a 200 dollar pipe that takes a four dollar plug in atomizer and i will pay up straight away..

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but if the atomizer/carts work well and only last a few days with dripping it might be worth paying for that expensive battery up front.. only if they work well thow..

Well that's what I'm tryign to weigh over. I guess, even if you have to buy a couple of batteries every few months, it might still even be worth it compared to what we pay for regular ciggs- I dunno though- I've beenback and forth on this issue for awhile now
 

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my experience with small lithium batteries is that it will need to be more often than every few months.. assuming the run times needs keeping similar to when new..

these thing dont just give up and say i am dead.. they lose their original capacity with each charge discharge cycle.. both their run time and charge times gets shorter.. because they are really too small for the job they are doing their life time isnt as long as it should be given a less stressful life..

but it all needs costing out.. lets see how long ned makes his last and what he thinks when its all over..

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True- The couple of baterries that have died on me just all of sudden didn't work- gave up the ghost and that was that.

Well, so far Ned is gettign 3 days with refilling, which I've talked abotu in other htreads- if you cna stretch each cartridge 3 days at least, (and get good nic and vapor) then 50 cartridges are goign to last for 6 months. 50 cartridges cost roughly $100 (abotu average), so you're goign ot spend $200-$250 (assuming some cartridges are dead on arrival)

So the question then would be how many batteries you have to purchase throughout hte year. If the batteries can make it for 2 months, then that woudl be six batteries per year (assuming you want two working ones at a time)- so that would be $300 so we're talking about roughly $500-$600 per year total (Not including shipping fees- but I spose one could order 6 batteries right off hte bat if they had enough $$ and save on shipping)

Compare that with buying regular cartridges plus same amount of batteries for midranged penstyles or minis- $100 per month just for hte cartridges ($100 gets you 50 cartridhes from ost suppliers, althogh there are cheaper cartridges)- coudl stretch the carts for 2 days (but they wear out- the wool I mean) so you're talking about $1200 (if you only use the carts one day) $600-$800 if you refill, plus batteries and atomizers at roughly $30 a whack. Plus we have to smoke the Pesntyles for any decent vapor, which I don't particularly liek having to do- would rather have regular cigg sized device with no penstyle mouthpiece- hate the mouthpieces on the pens.

Of course you gotta also factor in smoking juice- not sure how much would be required per month?
 

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roughly 50 ml a month naz for a medium to heavy smoker..

what u pay for that comes down to where u buy it or how u get it.. at njoy cart prices for syringing it would be 250 dollars per months.. he he

buying from e-cig when they come back on line say syringing their pipe carts or buying 50 ml bottles around 20 dollars per month.. the two extremes hey..

take your pick anywhere in between.. lets assume the bulk of your use would be liquid for topping up..

trog
 
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