Need advice

[eagleclaws76]

Hi guys I want to get a mech mod and need advice on which one. Currently I have v/v v/w unit in which its not wanting to work correctly. First off i'm a fan of tanks I use the Iclear 30s . So I'll need to know which ohm will I want for the tank. I just don't have a lot of money to spend, also I would like to have one that uses the 18650 batts since I already have 2 of them. Been looking at like the copper mods since i was told they were good. Well in other words I need help in a world that I just don't know much about. Thanks guys for your help.

 

[93gc40]

IMO am mech is a mech is a mech. They all have pros and cons.. Get the one you like.. Fastech has hundreds for less than $30. As to what OHM to run your atty... I say start with whatever ohm will achieve a vape as close as possible to what you are doing now. I will say you will NOT get the benefit of the mod using the Iclear tank. You might want to seriously consider a REBUILDABLE atty, mainly since its the atty that determines Vape quality. All those adjustments you make with a Regulated mod, by pushing a button, are done in a Mech by changing the coils ohm rate and size, in the atty. There is NOTHING magic about a Mech mod. IT is just the holder for your batteries and switch.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I still have my Stingray X. I haven't used it in a couple months, but I won't PIF it. Just quality and beauty.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Please do not use prebuilt coils on any mechanical mod.
This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Pre built coils are cheaply made and have very flimsy insulators that regularly tear and fail.
There is no Quality control on a $2 coil. Many are DOA in the pack.

You have ZERO protection with a mechanical mod.
Mechanicals are for advanced vapers who know their gear and FULLY understand the risks involved.

The recent rash of exploding mods in the media were all "subtanks" with prebuilt coils on mechanical mods.

Vape safe. Know your limits.

 

[Baditude]

I'll have to respectfully disagree with Bad Ninja on his remark to never use prebuilt coils on a mechanical mod. Using typical clearomizers like an iClear 30 on a mechanical is relatively safe.

However, my disagreement has some reservations. When using a mechanical mod safely you need to have some knowledge about which batteries to use, know battery and mech mod safety, have a basic understanding of Ohm's Law, and have additional tools at your disposal such as an ohm reader and voltage meter. This is because, as Bad Ninja said, mechanicals have none of the safety features which are available on regulated mods. Using a mechanical, you alone become the safety feature. As warned by Bad Ninja, mechanical mods have the potential to become a pipe bomb.

Man severly injured when e-cig device explodes​

My recommendation is safety should be your first priority. I recommend a Silver Bullet for a couple of reasons:

• It has a recessed side fire button, as opposed to a bottom fire button. Not only is this button location more natural, the recessed button makes it less likely to accidentally press the button in a pocket or purse. Compression of the fire button for a long time can cause the battery to go into thermal runaway. The button is also located near where a venting battery will release its gas (the top of the battery), and is designed to pop out when the buildup of pressure occurs, hopefully preventing a pipe bomb scenario.

• It also uses a collapsing "hot spring" in the battery compartment. Should the battery become hot enough, the spring will melt or collapse and break the electrical connection to the tank, and hopefully prevent the battery from venting.

Get an ohm reader and voltage meter. You'll need to be able to check the coils in the iClear 30's with the ohm reader for resistance and shorts. You'll need to use the voltage meter to monitor your battery's voltage so that you don't over-discharge them.




You'll need to learn about battery safety.

Battery Basics for Mods

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries​

You'll need to learn the basics of Ohm's Law.

Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers
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And learn about mechanical mod safety.

Mechanical Mod Safe Useage Guide​

 

[Bad Ninja]

I have to respectfully say you are giving dangerous advice to vapers who are unqualified to use a mechanical device.

You are asking for trouble.

One out of ten prebuilt coils are shorted in box or have torn cheap rubber insulators.
Topping a mech with one of these is a ticking time bomb.

You've been around a while now so
You already know everything I just posted is accurate.

If you aren't experienced enough to build your own coils, please use a regulated device for your own safety.


The exploding mechanicals in the recent media, were pre built coils
On mechanical mods.
Not hybrids style either.
One was a chi you with an Atlantis and a shorted prebuilt coil.

 

[Baditude]

I have to respectfully say you are giving dangerous advice to vapers who are unqualified to use a mechanical device.

You are asking for trouble.

One out of ten prebuilt coils are shorted in box or have torn cheap rubber insulators.
Topping a mech with one of these is a ticking time bomb.

You've been around a while now so
You already know everything I just posted is accurate.

That's where using an ohm reader (which I recommended and explained why) to test new coils comes into the picture. Before firing any coil (prebuilt or homemade), the coil should be tested for resistance with a meter. If the meter readings jump around wildly or shows 0.0 ohm, then there is a short and the coil should be then discarded.

I also recommended what I genuinely believe is a safer mechanical mod, and why I believe that.

 

[93gc40]

That's where using an ohm reader (which I recommended and explained why) to test new coils comes into the picture. Before firing any coil (prebuilt or homemade), the coil should be tested for resistance with a meter. If the meter readings jump around wildly or shows 0.0 ohm, then there is a short and the coil should be then discarded.

This^^^

Yeah some manufacturer have poor QC and ship more bad coils than other companies do..........

IMO, The Ninja is correct on this one ONLY if you assume that Self-built coils/heads NEVER FAIL. Also you have to assume that the "Safety" feature of your Regulated mod are there to protect YOU. They are there to reduce refund requests do to failures and lawsuit do to stupidity.

I don't know about others BUT when I was rebuilding clearo heads, I built more bad coils than I bought. ( SUBTANK with replaceable heads are CLEAOMIZERS to me). It's just that the good Self built coils were better and more consistent than the store bought coils/heads. So if I wanted a Great vape I built it, IF I wanted fast and fuctional store bought heads. That's why I went to a TRUE rebuildable.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I also recommend an ohm reader.
However the insulators wear and tear when screwing atomizers on and off a mechanical mod.

At what point do you stop preaching safety?

I'd trust a 2cent fuse over a spring as a fail safe, but I recommend regulated devices for pre-built coils.

Mechanicals require a bit of knowledge and understanding to use safely.
There is a risk.
If you don't understand what's happening you increase the risk exponentially.

My coils last months. Even then, they don't fail, they just change resistance.


Mechanicals look cool and all but so do helicopters. Play around with them without knowing what you are doing, and eventually you will get hurt.


If you want to avoid 99% of the "exploding mod" problem, stop recommending mechanicals to people who can't build a coil.

Look at the toppers in almost ALL the pics of "exploding mods".
Pre built coils on Mechs.

1+1=2

 

[93gc40]

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with Purchased coil or head vs SELF built.. Most of battery failures are about running a 50amp BUILD on a 20amp battery. They happen to be happening NOW do to the increase in popularity of the SUB-OHM Tank atomizer/Clearomizer and sub-ohm builds in general.. Fact is that a Regulated mod has the potential for the SAME type of failures and even worse.. It just statistically and technologically less likely for them to occur.

 

[Baditude]

If you want to avoid 99% of the "exploding mod" problem, stop recommending mechanicals to people who can't build a coil.

Look at the toppers in almost ALL the pics of "exploding mods".
Pre built coils on Mechs.

I respectfully disagree that almost ALL the pics of exploding mods had pre-built coils. Document it if you can, and I'll reconsider.

Long time vapers used pre-built coils (cartomizers and early clearomizers) on mechanicals long before regulated mods were available. The few explosions reported back then were due to using the wrong batteries (ICR or alkaline) and/or stacking batteries for higher voltage (user error or unsafe battery practices), not because of faulty coils in cartomizers and clearomizers.

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with Purchased coil or head vs SELF built.. Most of battery failures are about running a 50amp BUILD on a 20amp battery. They happen to be happening NOW do to the increase in popularity of the SUB-OHM Tank atomizer/Clearomizer and sub-ohm builds in general.. Fact is that a Regulated mod has the potential for the SAME type of failures and even worse.. It just statistically and technologically less likely for them to occur.

This seems like a much more reasonable cause to me. With greater power comes greater responsibility to come to harm's way.

Bottom line, I'll agree that with the options available today, a regulated mod is a safer option than a mechanical mod for a beginner. However, if one does the proper research and self education concerning safety practices, a mechanical mod can be a relatively safe device.

 

[roxynoodle]

Well, I used to use Kanger Aerotanks 15 months ago. Some coil heads were DOA and an ohmmeter would show that. But, I had a couple that shorted after a few days use, too. So I think using prebuilt coil heads on a mech mod could be risky.

OP, I understand wanting the durability of a mech mod. I own and use several myself. I think if you want to continue using prebuilt coils you would be safer to buy another regulated mod. I've had good luck with my Sigeleis, and I rarely read about problems with them. Maybe the 30W Sigelei Mini would be a good choice for you. Innokin has a great reputation also. An MVP or Coolfire IV would be a nice choice, too.

If you want to eventually get a mech, maybe get an RTA as well with your new regulated mod and begin learning to build for it. Then when you are confident in your builds, getting a mech could be your next step. If you would like help choosing an RTA, feel free to PM me. RTAs are kind of my obsession...I mean specialty

I agree with both Baditude and Bad Ninja, and am throwing in my Mr. Ninja sure knows his mechs, and Mr. Bad is our resident battery and safety guru, and I respect both of them highly.