Need advise, asap, please!

[WOW]

I've gone through 5 xhale02 cartridges in less than 2 days (med/menthol - The high strength carts lasted close to a week).

$ is an issue for me(it is for everyone but if I screw up, I'm sunk on vaping for a while)

One the model specific type thread I posted about intellicig-USA and get how to add liquid to the xhale02(thank you lavalamp and Slea!!!) but I still don't get the mixing/dilluting liquid part and would appreciate help with this.

First, about how long will a bottle of ECOPure Rich last? At the intellicig - USA dot com website they have a menthol juice by RitZe in 10mil bottle in ALL strengths.
[intelli web url + ProductDetails{dot}asp ? ProductCode = RiZe + e-juice + Menthol + Tobacco] (no spaces - I'm still under 15 posts :-( )

Can these two products be mixed and if so, what do you mix them in and in what kind of container and where do you store it? About how long would the mix last and BECAUSE THE ECOPURE MUST BE PURCHASED AT MINIMALLY 15MG-MED STRENGTH TO GET THE FREE PROMOTION, WHAT STRENGTH SHOULD THE RITZE E-JUICE BE TO MAKE THE MIX NO STRONGER THAN 11 MG(12 MAX) STRENGTH?????

I'm desperately trying to lower the nicotine mg each week because I chain smoked and don't want to end up nicotine poisoning myself to vape!!!! I should be ok if I can minimally get to mild strength and stay there until I'm ready to go to zero nicotine(which is another post of not understanding for some other time)

IF these two liquids don't mix, can someone please tell me the right liquid from intellicig to use with the ECOPURE and again, what to mix and store it in????

I'm going to end up going through my carts in two days but, if I know what to order, intellicig ships in 24hrs. iow, if I have to keep wasting $ on prefilled carts, it's more affordable to temporarily smoke again & I love vaping but, realize I have to get the chain-vaping under control to continue.

btw, the free promo is still valid. I'm hoping someone will answer this b4 they run out(word travelled fast and they are out of menthol now - the extra $8 I'd spend to keep off analogs but I don't know that I'm even close to the right liquid use and/or strength - I can't keep spending $20 every two days for the carts and xhale02 doesn't sell liquids) I'm quite upset because I see so many people's sigs saying x# of $ saved - well, inexperienced - I feel too inexperienced and want to make this work.

PLEEEEEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, in advance.

 

[rolygate]

If you are looking to save money, cartos are not the way to go. You need something that's easy to refill with your own liquid.

Maybe a 510, that system is about the cheapest to run. On the other hand if you are just coming off smoking then you might need the bigger hit a mod will give you. Get an inexpensive mod with a 510 atty & cart connection, that would give you top hit + the economical 510 system.

 

[regularjoe]

...I'm quite upset because I see so many people's sigs saying x# of $ saved...

You will most definitely save money, but not in the first month or two. The start up costs are still there and it takes some trial and error. And since we are forced to do that via mail order, it is not as simple as picking up a new brand of smokes at the convenience store.

Hang in there! But definitely switch to a system that allows you to use your own choice of liquid.

 

[WOW]

Regular Joe - But can these two liquids be used together both at med strength or at all?

When you use a liquid does ECOPure Rich dillute or expand the quantity you end up with or are they meant to be used each separately? (if you mix liquids what do you use to mix them in? R they refridgerated or kept at room temp after that?)

Finally, do you know if intellicig is reliable on time-line and shipping?

If I can't get this right while they have the promo, I'm just going to go back the higher strength on the e-cig I have now. Since they sell them off-line in my location, it's a surer savings but, not to cut down on the nic yet. It would cost me the same off-line as at intellicig and I can do the trial and error when it's more affordable.

My question is really about these specific liquids, mixing the two safely to not nic-OD(I'd have to order the right strength on the menthol RitZe if they would taste ok together) and what to put the liquid in if mixing them/storing them.

I'm not talking about getting another starter kit though eventually, I'll get some parts that are better. The battery on the xhale02 is excellent. I don't need much more than
info. I can't find this stuff googling and really do appreciate the help here. It's going to take me time to learn. I just panicked there. It's awful chain smoking but, I'm not going to rush into new things when I know I'm at a higher risk because of it, of using too much liquid, until I know what the heck I'm doing, the max strength carts pre-filled, might be my only choice while I learn about the liquids. If I miss the offer I miss it.

I don't want to go through a zillion companies. If intellicig is realiable and you or someone else can help me with just the liquid questions, I can make a reasonable decision for the week. I know it's going to be a slow process for me but that's ok.

I have no experience with this so, I'm asking specific questions to make specific choices I can understand. I'm sorry - new starter kits without knowing jack about the liquids is a waste of money more than just going back to max strength until I learn about this stuff.

Still hoping someone can help me with this.

 

[WOW]

Thank-you Rolygate.

I get where you're going and would love to have this conversation w/ in future.

I did hear back from intellicig, who unfortunately is dealing w/ very inexperienced vaper. They said the liquids can be mixed BUT I DON"T KNOW HOW!

I'm just ordering the stuff. This healthy smoking is killing me already, lol!

 

[WOW]

I am hanging in there, RJ. I just ordered the stuff after they emailed me. You can mix the juices, so I got a free ECOPure and a $3 mixer.

I am so cross-eyed trying to read everything and am sorry if I p'o'ed anyone making other suggestions. I seem to have a mental block on anything that isn't ready-made, am having cravings, running out of carts (on the xhaleo2 they can be refilled & the battery I love - I just got a USB car charger - but, right now just want to have enough at home (like buying a carton of analogs and not having to run out every other day - one of the reasons I got fed up w/ analogs)

The med strength of xhaleo2 is not great on taste or how long a cart it lasts. The high strength was awesome. I think the liquid will solve the problem including the burnt taste (total YUCK) and last long enough so if I'm not happy with it, I can try something else.

I can at least calm down enough and have enough time to look into how its done and anyone who can help me understand this is THE most patient person on these forums, lol!

(I'm going to write a book - e-cigs for dummies maybe one day )

All that ranting of mine that's what it's been like being addicted to analogs and running out. I have a problem I'm aware of and vaping is the only thing that has ever come so close to helping to control it. I haven't jumped ship yet.

You may all be right about the product but, I'm impossible to talk to when I'm running low on 'smokes'. That part, the vaping hasn't changed and I'm very disappointed about that - not with anyone here.

Thanks, in advance, for your understanding.

 

[v1John]

I use the V4L cartos, and I can go through about 5 every two days, I use 36 and 24, and some 18mgs.
Most of them I can refill with no probelm, but there are definitely tips and tricks to learn.

I just posted this because you mentioned zero nicotine, and you sounded scared. If you were a heavy smoker, I'm afraid you're going to need nicotine. The good news is that you are not inhaleing the combustible, carbon monoxide analogs anymore. So relax about that part.

I tried quitting so many times before, about once every 18 months I could quit for a while. The best I could do (before learning about ecigs) was the nicotine lozonges, up to about 40mg or so per day. It sounds like 2.5 cartos of 24mg is around that region, a carto holds just under 1ml., and cartos are not to be inhaled down to zero-empty either; the absorption could be less with ecigs, on top of that. So I wouldn't be thinking about such a thing as zero nicotine for a while, if someone just recently stopped the analogs (unless just occasionally).

 

[Lilacs212too]

(like buying a carton of analogs and not having to run out every other day - one of the reasons I got fed up w/ analogs)

WOW! Am I reading that right? You would run out of a carton of analogs every.. other.. day?

I didn't quite understand from all of your posts. Are you buying only prefilled cartridges? Or are you also buying liquids? IMO, buying liquids are the way to go.. you get to experience lots more flavors and you can vape at your own pace, and also you can cut down on the amount of nicotine you're taking in.. You may find one place you like to purchase your hardware from, and one or two (or ten!) places to buy your liquids from. From what I've seen, a lot of sites that offer the kits and replacement parts seem to not offer as much of a variety of juices.

I am not sure how much juice you would need to vape to achieve the 1 or 2 cartons a day you were smoking (IF I read that right, I am still ) But they may have to come up with an IV mod for you, my dear!

In any case, remember to enjoy.. and your lungs will thank you for it!

Edit: I now understand what you were saying with the carton thing.. I think perhaps I didn't have enough coffee today. ::shutting up now::

 

[Drozd]

ok the easiest thing would be to find a good e-juice calculator...there are links to some that people have on here...
you input what strength you want to end up at and how many ml you want..the strength of juice 1 and 2 and the %of extra flavoring, water, or unflavored PG or VG...and it calculates how many drops or ml of each to get your mix..

just mix in an empty e juice bottle....add the ml of each ingredient (can use a syringe to accurately measure ml (or a graduated cylinder)...and then shake...

Sounds like you're going for menthol...you can get an easy 0 nic menthol by getting menthol crystals (they're very very potent) and some plain PG or VG...with a little alcohol (like vodka) you can add a small bit of menthol crystal to the pg or vg...and a little heat (and I mean a little like a very warm water bath for the bottle the crystals will disolve...and then you can add that to cut your nic lvl of the juice you ordered...(and you can pick up plain USP grade PG very cheap at any pharmacy that does compounding (it's like $11-15 for a pint))

 

[WOW]

Ya, I'm scared. My family thinks this stuff is like drugs so I have no support to do anything but totally quit and I do believe, if it's slow enough and controllable, reducing the nicotine could make that happen.

I'm doing everything possible to stay with simplest models that look the most like anaologs and avoid e-xtras like cases so there's the least mental association to holding a pack of cigarettes and it doesn't look like anything
for drugs.

I did make a mistake by over-estimating how quickly I could do this(from 24 mgs to 11 in a week, lol!) but, we learn the most from some mistakes. You're right about needing the nic - at least at longer sprints at familiar doses and that cartos would not work for me. I am relieved to not be taking in all the junk but at the same time, because of it, I never deep inhaled/vaped. It's hard not to with this cause it's a vapor not a mess of pollution.

I read at wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Therapeutic_uses) there are a lot of positive uses in medicine for nicotine. Outside of a mixed blessing on heart issues (nicotine helps 1/2 of one heart prob and causes another) it really is the tobacco and carcinogens that should be illegal to sell - not e-cigs.

I'm sure there must be a lot of tips and tricks to learn. It's so worth trying.
I've tried everything else and could not put down the analogs. This is my last option.

Thanks for your understanding. We're all in the same boat, just at different
steps of the journey.

I wish you many analog-free days.

Hoping we can all talk again soon. (I literally can't see the computer monitor from trying so hard to figure this out all weekend and have to stop for now)

You're all very sweet to take the time to share your knowledge. Trust me, it will sink in, sooner than later and not be efforts in vain.

Vape on!

btw, I'm over 15 now and can post links!!! YAY!

 

[SirVette]

I've gone through 5 xhale02 cartridges in less than 2 days (med/menthol - The high strength carts lasted close to a week)...

I did make a mistake by over-estimating how quickly I could do this(from 24 mgs to 11 in a week, lol!) but, we learn the most from some mistakes. You're right about needing the nic - at least at longer sprints at familiar doses and that cartos would not work for me. I am relieved to not be taking in all the junk but at the same time, because of it, I never deep inhaled/vaped. It's hard not to with this cause it's a vapor not a mess of pollution.
....

WOW
Hi. You need the high strength & cut slowly. Normally 24mg to start which is what I needed, but only got 16mg. Finally got some 24 & 18 in 2 weeks later. The 16mg worked fine till then.

Easy mix example half & half 24+12=36mg
36/2 = 18mg

Refrig. best for long term, though it does not sound like an issue now.

 

[Princessdee]

What SirVet said.

And when you get your eyes back, let me offer you some advice: This is a copy of an email I sent this morning to someone else struggling.

Several vapers (at least on the forum) vape 36 when they wake up for that first hit. 12 or 16 during the day. 24 after meals for that hit, 8 (or less) when they're watching TV at night, and throw in some 0 at times.

If you want to use different levels at different times, that's how you do it. I don't see anything wrong with that. Go for it. Get 24 and some doublers, some PG and mix all the strengths you want.

Maybe this will help you, Hun. I hope so.
I was one of those smokers who lit up whenever a "quit now" commercial came on TV.

I went into a full blown panic attack at the thought of quitting. I stockpiled cigarettes. Chuck gave all our cigarettes (8 cartons) to a co-worker when we decided that we were using our PVs completely and a week later I was cleaning the house and found a full carton stashed. (2 in the underwear drawer, 2 in the back of my bottom desk drawer 1 in my workshop, you get the picture.)

I wouldn't go to the movies cause I couldn't smoke there. I wouldn't go on car trips with my son cause I couldn't smoke in the car. I basically stayed home. So I could smoke. 3 packs a day. Full flavor crap brand.

I was never gonna quit because it hadn't hurt me yet and I'll be damned if I was gonna want a cigarette every day for the rest of my life.

I never wanted to quit. When the new tax hit in March 2009 I saw a blip on the news about "WHO unsure of safety of e-cigarettes" and started doing some research. I bought one.

All I wanted to do was cut out a pack a day so I could still afford to smoke.

Then one day I noticed I hadn't had a cigarette in 2 days. Didn't want one. Lit one, took 2 drags, put it out. Didn't want it.

What I'm trying to say is I think it was a mindset. If I had been trying to quit I would have wanted one terribly (I quit while I was pregnant. As soon as he was born, the nurses were still holding him, I broke out the smokes. That was 30 years ago, I could smoke in the hospital)


You're doing awesome researching and trying to learn.

And...don't be too concerned if you can't cut your nic level as quickly as you think you should.

Here's some info:

Hope this helps ease your mind.

From the New Zeland study:
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf


Page 2: (Nicotine delivery per puff)

Nicotine delivery per puff
​

​

A 35 mL puff from
the Ruyan® V8 delivers only 10% of the nicotine
obtained from a similar puff of a Marlboro regular
cigarette. Deeper 50 mL puffs from the Ruyan V8​

delivers only slightly more nicotine.


Also from page 2:

Nicotine dose (Figure 2) An e-cigarette user will
need to take more puffs more often, and deeper
puffs confer no advantage for V8 users. Six puffs
every 5 minutes would deliver the same dose of
nicotine delivered by shallow inhaling (10 puffs of
35 mL per puff) from one tobacco cigarette every
hour, but would not achieve the high immediate
nicotine boost which many smokers crave.
Nicotine overdose is unlikely, even though
nicotine delivery may vary between brands.

 

[Kate51]

Everyone has good advice, that's for sure.
But WOW the one thing you want is to find a good place to be regarding your nic intake.
I was also a chain smoker, 2-3 packs I always say but willing to bet it was more! I went into vaping thinking about the carts being a day's worth, heck, they didn't last an hour!
I was still chain smoking.
So went to 24mg juice, started refilling the old carts, and Walla! Comfort Zone.
I know the Intellicig people would be glad to share how to refill. But be sure to send off an email to them. Or look for them here.
Once you find your comfortable place, then gradually stock up on the 'consumables' until you feel you can avoid panic, which is the biggest thing of all to avoid while vaping!!
Thousands of people have found that out, so just try to relax with it.
Best of luck, this isn't a 'stupid' thing at all to be doing, you're not going to poison yourself, really, you'd be way to sick to vape another puff before that happened!! It does take awhile to 'feel' the effect, not like cigarette "hit". That isn't from the nicotine, it's from the SMOKE.
And yes, your budget does call for some restraint, that's where ECF can step in with some great help, by being able to ask questions and find your way a little easier and a lot cheaper! I bought one of everything before I really knew what I was looking for. (Ssshhh, don't tell!)

 

[WOW]

Everyone has good advice, that's for sure.

YES! You included, Kate!

But WOW (can I change my username? The "WOW" effect has come and gone - that first vape was completely awesome & I don't regret it but, it's a silly username now that I think about it, doh!) the one thing you want is to find a good place to be regarding your nic intake.
I was also a chain smoker, 2-3 packs I always say but willing to bet it was more! I went into vaping thinking about the carts being a day's worth, heck, they didn't last an hour!
I was still chain smoking.

I was at 1 & 1/2 packs and just couldn't breathe anymore. I've probably gone as high as 2 packs. I also have pets and got sick of literally stopping while driving to not make them inhale the 2nd hand smoke. A 20 minute drive would take over an hour. My house was freezing with all the windows open and fans running. There were many incentives. One of the last straws was when despite my best efforts, I could smell smoke on one of my dogs. I cried for days and still not over the guilt. What if? Then the fear got to me. I was burning holes in things and freaked out when I dropped a lit cig, didn't notice it right away and couldn't find it right away, either. It could've dropped on one of my dogs. The paranoia alone was making me nuts. I was like a junkie when I found the vapes, smoking in the bathroom with the door shut over the sink with the water running at 3 in the morning, my poor pets scratching at the door. It totally consumed every aspect of my life. My md put me on an anti-depressant (I'm allergic to all the pills that have the side effect of helping people quit) It didn't help, though I still take it.

So went to 24mg juice, started refilling the old carts, and Walla! Comfort Zone.
I know the Intellicig people would be glad to share how to refill. But be sure to send off an email to them. Or look for them here.
Once you find your comfortable place, then gradually stock up on the 'consumables' until you feel you can avoid panic, which is the biggest thing of all to avoid while vaping!!

I don't know what I'm panicking about. There's so many reasons to be grateful for this product.

The people at intellicig are great and I did email them. I should be getting my e-juice tomorrow at the high level.

Lavalamp's post here
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/m-401-402-mini-m403-super-mini/92635-401-liquid.html started me rethinking/opening my mind. I understand now, how the flavors can be helpful. Like I said, that part of it, too, makes my family think I'm getting involved in some counter-culture, not trying to help my health. Don't ask. - I'd be completely nuts without the input of people here and ironically, the few in my family who are giving me a hard time about this have done worse than smoke and still do. I'm sorry I even told them.

Because it isn't FDA approved my md can't approve it. We've tried everything. Just told me to be very careful and call him immediately if I felt the least bit 'off', asked the product name and suggested I write it all down and put it with my ID, incase. He can't officially condone it but, he's intent, given what cigarettes have done to my life and could.
He says he can only strongly encourage me to quit tobacco and stay within the law. Fair enough.

Thousands of people have found that out, so just try to relax with it.
Best of luck, this isn't a 'stupid' thing at all to be doing, you're not going to poison yourself, really, you'd be way to sick to vape another puff before that happened!! It does take awhile to 'feel' the effect, not like cigarette "hit". That isn't from the nicotine, it's from the SMOKE.

Do you happen to know what they put in an anolog that gives that immediate relief? I read it effects dopamine levels and there are certain MAOI's and other natural herbs that increase dopamine levels in the brain. The prescription ones I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole cause it's like one of those bad tv commercials where the side effects are worse than what the drug is supposed to treat. I have to do more reading about this but I know some people who swear by the herbal remedies. I mean after 25 years of this, it has to damage or seriously alter brain function and dopamine is the only thing I could find that cigarettes mess up in the brain that makes changing to vaping so hard. On a positive note, I also heard it's reversible but don't know enough to say if it's a life long need for a supplement or the supplement + vaping over time heals the dependence. (It makes no sense to me having an addiction to amonia or formaldahyde - just bizarre!)

Honestly, I cheated to get that 'hit' but I told myself it was to count the puffs in an analog to do 'comparative research'. This stuff can make a person lie to themselves, no doubt - meaning the habit, not the vaping. I've become more honest with myself about smoking in the last two weeks than I've been when I first started hiding cigarettes as a kid, brushing my teeth every 5 minutes and I still OD on perfume to hide the smell. (even since vaping - I can't believe it doesn't smell - 2nd hand knock off cologne, anyone?)

I also have had terrible heartburn and acid reflux. 1 analog made it stop. I hope that goes away over time. That was the real trigger to cheat.

And yes, your budget does call for some restraint, that's where ECF can step in with some great help, by being able to ask questions and find your way a little easier and a lot cheaper! I bought one of everything before I really knew what I was looking for. (Ssshhh, don't tell!)

LOL! You're secret is safe with me! (don't tell anyone I'm eating rolaids like candy, ok? I feel like I'm a mere minutes away from adult diapers, lol!)

 

[Devilooman]

Your heartburn might be a reaction to quitting the tobacco ciggies. It's amazing what our bodies do to us when they really want one of those. I have shortness of breath and panic attacks when I'm having withdrawal from ciggies. Sometimes headaches and today for the first time nausea. These are also the symptoms of nicotine overdose but it wasn't that because I was definitely not getting enough nicotine. I think I just never got up to the level I needed in the morning. Anyway.. my point is that your body is going to go through some serious changes due to quitting smoking so hang in there!

 

[WOW]

What SirVet said.

And when you get your eyes back, let me offer you some advice: This is a copy of an email I sent this morning to someone else struggling.

Several vapers (at least on the forum) vape 36 when they wake up for that first hit. 12 or 16 during the day. 24 after meals for that hit, 8 (or less) when they're watching TV at night, and throw in some 0 at times.

If you want to use different levels at different times, that's how you do it. I don't see anything wrong with that. Go for it. Get 24 and some doublers, some PG and mix all the strengths you want.

What are doublers? Is there a reference for e-cig terms floating around? I'll pretend I'm studying for mid-terms.. (It's really a totally different language...)

Maybe this will help you, Hun. I hope so.

Thanks. Here's what I have so far...

2 batteries and two USB chargers, a car adapter, 8-16mg pre-filled carts, over 20 empty carts and I ordered 20ml ECOpure med(reg flavor), 10mil ECO mix, 20mil ECO menthol and an extra atty, I can only hope fits the x-hale battery.

I've spent almost $100 in a wk. My analog cost was $40/wk. (A friend is quitting but didn't throw out his analogs and gave me 4 cheaters-I have 3 left and so far no desire to cheat again.

I was one of those smokers who lit up whenever a "quit now" commercial came on TV.

LOL! I did the same thing! I also complained when they ran them. We're people who are not our addiction and the insults and pushing to quit made it worse. I was telling people who would not leave me alone about my smoking to back off and they wouldn't so I'd lite up everytime they mentioned it, even by phone, making sure the lighter click went directly into the phone mouthpiece. It's definitely damaged some relationships but, I asked nice. One thing that really hurts is knowing others judged me so harshly to not respect me, as a person, because of an addiction that I didn't once expose them to. :,(

I've always been a courteous smoker and just wanted my space and some respect for my efforts. Instead, it made me angry and over sensitive to every little obsession these dimwits had they couldn't see if it hit them over the head! But, hey, they meant well, right? These e-cig companies get it. Someone at a 7-11 suggested it to me. Gives a whole new meaning to "Thank Heaven for 7-11!"


I went into a full blown panic attack at the thought of quitting. I stockpiled cigarettes. Chuck gave all our cigarettes (8 cartons) to a co-worker when we decided that we were using our PVs completely and a week later I was cleaning the house and found a full carton stashed. lol!

(2 in the underwear drawer, 2 in the back of my bottom desk drawer 1 in my workshop, you get the picture.) Yes and I'm laughing w/you. I'll PM you later where I hid my cigs, lol!

I wouldn't go to the movies cause I couldn't smoke there. I wouldn't go on car trips with my son cause I couldn't smoke in the car. I basically stayed home. So I could smoke. 3 packs a day. Full flavor crap brand.

I am so sorry. I totally understand. This has taken enough of my life and I started before they had laws to protect kids. You could get cigs AT a theater out of a machine for (to date myself) $1. You didn't need ID. NO ONE told you it was addictive - it caused birth defects. I wasn't pregnant at 10.

I was never gonna quit because it hadn't hurt me yet and I'll be damned if I was gonna want a cigarette every day for the rest of my life.

I can read the last part of that two ways. Did you know you were hooked or anything like me, convinced I could put it down anytime I wanted and liking to smoke?

I never wanted to quit. When the new tax hit in March 2009 I saw a blip on the news about "WHO unsure of safety of e-cigarettes" and started doing some research. I bought one.

All I wanted to do was cut out a pack a day so I could still afford to smoke.

Then one day I noticed I hadn't had a cigarette in 2 days. Didn't want one. Lit one, took 2 drags, put it out. Didn't want it.

What I'm trying to say is I think it was a mindset. If I had been trying to quit I would have wanted one terribly (I quit while I was pregnant. As soon as he was born, the nurses were still holding him, I broke out the smokes. That was 30 years ago, I could smoke in the hospital)

Yep. Different times. You went 9 months w/o a cig from 3-packs a day?? That IS definitely a mindset! You must be very strong willed.

You're doing awesome researching and trying to learn.
Thanks and yes, I'm trying to learn. If it's stressful to use e-cigs cause I don't know, I won't be able to tolerate the stress. I was totally "WOW" and convinced this is THE product for me. I'm into week 2 with only 1 analog. I don't have it right yet and the heartburn/acid reflux I can't deal with but, I never thought I'd see two weeks w/o a cig.
Yes - absolutely. I pray I can keep learning and get it right. I love this forum and might yet but I really did a number on my eyes there... so thanks for this...

And...don't be too concerned if you can't cut your nic level as quickly as you think you should.

Here's some info:

Hope this helps ease your mind.

From the New Zeland study:
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf


Page 2: (Nicotine delivery per puff)

Nicotine delivery per puff
​

A 35 mL puff from
the Ruyan® V8 delivers only 10% of the nicotine
obtained from a similar puff of a Marlboro regular
cigarette. Deeper 50 mL puffs from the Ruyan V8​

delivers only slightly more nicotine.


Also from page 2:

Nicotine dose (Figure 2) An e-cigarette user will
need to take more puffs more often, and deeper
puffs confer no advantage for V8 users. Six puffs
every 5 minutes would deliver the same dose of
nicotine delivered by shallow inhaling (10 puffs of
35 mL per puff) from one tobacco cigarette every
hour, but would not achieve the high immediate
nicotine boost which many smokers crave.
Nicotine overdose is unlikely, even though
nicotine delivery may vary between brands.

Thanks, Princessdee - it's easier with love, than the pain-in-the-a-- "you HAVE to quit cause I said so or don't talk to me" idiots who want this stuff banned and think vaping is drug abuse... ...while they destroy their livers with alcohol and their relationships with hateful judging.

You guys are making me cry so I'm rinsing the tobacco out of my eyes as I type. --- thanks so much...

 

[WOW]

WOW
Hi. You need the high strength & cut slowly. Normally 24mg to start which is what I needed, but only got 16mg. Finally got some 24 & 18 in 2 weeks later. The 16mg worked fine till then.

Easy mix example half & half 24+12=36mg
36/2 = 18mg

Refrig. best for long term, though it does not sound like an issue now.

No, not an issue yet. I ordered everything in med strength which is the equivalent of xhale02's high strength minus 1 mg. 24mg I'm sure would make me throw up, overall health issues considered.

So if everything is 16mg and if I use 1/2 of each with the mixer it's 8+8=16mg.

I don't have an empty bottle though. Will any bottle work?

I don't know about measuring with syringes. My family might have me committed and the ones to measure pet formula are huge. I'm going to check it out though. If they are too small it's going to cause a problem to have around.

Lavalamps vid link shows the guy using a dropper. Has anyone tried a dropper cause that would work and they make them for baby medication so it won't look like anyone should be checking me for needle marks.

There really needs to be more public education about this stuff, though I give up on my hypocritical family's insanity.

Great post, SirVette. Gets me thinking so I can manage this when I get my order.

Please DO correct me if I have the math wrong.

 

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Sorry, my brain can't compute this. Maybe another time?

ok the easiest thing would be to find a good e-juice calculator...there are links to some that people have on here...

just mix in an empty e juice bottle....add the ml of each ingredient (can use a syringe to accurately measure ml

Sounds like you're going for menthol...

you can get an easy 0 nic menthol by getting menthol crystals (they're very very potent) and some plain PG or VG...with a little alcohol (like vodka) you can add a small bit of menthol crystal to the pg or vg...and a little heat (and I mean a little like a very warm water bath for the bottle the crystals will disolve...and then you can add that to cut your nic lvl of the juice you ordered...(and you can pick up plain USP grade PG very cheap at any pharmacy that does compounding (it's like $11-15 for a pint))

 

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I unfortunately have more questions than answers, though.

Do you know how long this withdrawl symptom lasts? The rolaids don't really help. I'd love to know what the heck they put in analogs that causes this since it can't be the nicotine I'm getting vaping that my body is craving.

There is no way I can tolerate this one without cheating. I've been nauseaus and headachy, obviously, panicked. I'll put up with that. The heartburn/acid reflux doesn't let up and hurts like you know what. Started like 4 days ago. Ulgh-yuck. That one cheat stopped it right away.

499 carcinogens in an analog and my body has to crave the one that causes heartburn/acid reflux and no one monitors these thing so we know what causes what?

No wonder we panic!

Your heartburn might be a reaction to quitting the tobacco ciggies. It's amazing what our bodies do to us when they really want one of those. I have shortness of breath and panic attacks when I'm having withdrawal from ciggies. Sometimes headaches and today for the first time nausea. These are also the symptoms of nicotine overdose but it wasn't that because I was definitely not getting enough nicotine. I think I just never got up to the level I needed in the morning. Anyway.. my point is that your body is going to go through some serious changes due to quitting smoking so hang in there!

 

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I don't always read right w/o coffee, either.

"IMO, buying liquids are the way to go.. you get to experience lots more flavors and you can vape at your own pace, and also you can cut down on the amount of nicotine you're taking in.. You may find one place you like to purchase your hardware from, and one or two (or ten!) places to buy your liquids from. From what I've seen, a lot of sites that offer the kits and replacement parts seem to not offer as much of a variety of juices."
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That was only one part of your post, too. Thank you for caring and sharing, Lilacs.

I hope to learn more details about this from you....I'm going for my caffiene fix now, myself.

WOW! Am I reading that right? You would run out of a carton of analogs every.. other.. day?

I didn't quite understand from all of your posts. Are you buying only prefilled cartridges? Or are you also buying liquids? IMO, buying liquids are the way to go.. you get to experience lots more flavors and you can vape at your own pace, and also you can cut down on the amount of nicotine you're taking in.. You may find one place you like to purchase your hardware from, and one or two (or ten!) places to buy your liquids from. From what I've seen, a lot of sites that offer the kits and replacement parts seem to not offer as much of a variety of juices.

I am not sure how much juice you would need to vape to achieve the 1 or 2 cartons a day you were smoking (IF I read that right, I am still ) But they may have to come up with an IV mod for you, my dear!

In any case, remember to enjoy.. and your lungs will thank you for it!

Edit: I now understand what you were saying with the carton thing.. I think perhaps I didn't have enough coffee today. ::shutting up now::