Need Comments on US Plane Ban by Nov. 14

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Placebo Effect

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Thanks ScottB - you said that so much more nicely than I could have. I actually had to stop myself from posting a couple hours ago, so as not to be profane!

Great to have you back posting here. I plan to call his office, but I'm going to wait until after November 14th when the docket closes. If I had called him and accidentally yelled at him, that may have inspired him to get others to submit equally awful comments.
 
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Hondo69

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Comment Tracking Number: 80f655a0

Few people realize what tremendous power is wielded by faceless bureaucrats hidden away in the dark catacombs of Washington. They whip up new rules and regulations by the thousands each and every year with no hearings, no debate, no public transparency.

These hidden “czars” push their own agendas in order to please their boss and carve out their own little power sphere on their way up the political ladder. “Banning Electronic Cigarettes On Planes” looks great on a resume when you run with the Washington elite. Plus it comes with the added benefit of meeting your friends for dinner and clinking wine glasses after explaining how you just trampled the rights of "the little people". A clink and a snicker over a good meal is what it's all about in Washington.
 

Allen_B

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"The proposed changes to DOT regulations regarding personal vaporizers (commonly referred to as "electronic cigarettes") are puzzling.
Since the existing regulations are intended to protect the health and safety of the flying public, inclusion of a personal vaporizer (PV) into the regulations have no merit.
There is zero evidence, medically or even anecdotally that use of a PV poses any risk to the user or anyone adjacent, then the regulation has no purpose unless politically motivated.
Request the proposed change to the regulation be re-evaluated and cancelled due to a lack of merit.
Respectfully,

Warren Bowman"
 

Stubert

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My text was a little long (over the 2000 character limit), so I had to use an attachment.
[Your Comment Tracking Number: 80f65e36]

The use of personal vaporizers (PVs), commonly but inaccurately referred to as e-cigarettes, does not fall within the purview of existing federal law governing smoking on aircraft. 49 USC Section 41706, the law passed by Congress governing smoking on aircraft, states, "An individual may not smoke in an aircraft.” The DOT regulations implementing this law are in 14 CFR 252, the purpose of which states “This part implements a ban on smoking of tobacco products…” Given the commonly accepted definition of smoking at the time of the law, the current version of 14 CFR 252 does not exceed what is authorized by law. The use of a PV does not involve or produce fire or smoke and is not the equivalent of smoking; rather it is on par with an inhaler. The intent of the law is to protect others from harm caused by smoking (i.e., combustion of) tobacco products, which produces carcinogens.

The proposed rule states the basis, in part, is “the potential health and passenger comfort concerns.” Personal prejudices, unsubstantiated claims, or general ignorance do not present a valid basis to govern the behaviors of individuals or the enforcement of the law. There is zero evidence, medical, clinical (or substantiated anecdotal) evidence that use of a PV poses any risk to the user or anyone adjacent. Since the existing regulations are intended to protect the health and safety of the flying public, inclusion of PVs into the regulations has no merit. The use of a PV is no different than the use of nebulizers, or other inhalation based delivery mechanism used for medications. If there is no concern with passengers inhaling the secondary vapor from someone using a prescription medication, then there should be no concerns with use of PVs. Additionally, passenger comfort concerns, is not a federal responsibility. If it were, then there should be regulations governing the size of seats, the amount of cushioning, and other factors that comprise passenger comfort. As stated previously, personal prejudices (whether it be PVs, racial, religious, etc.) are not a valid basis for establishing regulations.

Unless and until DOT can cite harm or threat to those with casual contact to e-cigarette vapor AND federal legislation is passed prohibiting the use of PVs on aircraft, the use of PVs on aircraft is not an issue legally within DOTs purview. Redefining the accepted definition of smoking and interpreting the law to support any non-health related agenda is not within the DOT’s authority, nor is expanding the coverage of the law. As a cabinet of the executive branch, the DOT is excluded from passing legislation by the separation of powers established by the Constitution of the United States of America. Redefining the coverage of 49 USC Section 41706 amounts to new legislation, which falls within the powers granted to the legislative branch (i.e., congress). Until such time as congress incorporates that change into law , any change that is attempted to be enforced is a violation of federal law and exceeds the limits of authority granted to the Executive Branch by the Constitution.

In conclusion, the passing of this ban presents moral (i.e., based on prejudices), ethical (i.e., selective consideration for passenger comfort), and legal (i.e., no supported by federal law) implications that are well beyond the authority and purview of the DOT.
 

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I would like to strongly urge the DOT to withdraw the proposed amendment to 14 CFR Part 252 that would prohibit use of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) on aircraft.

The law ''Prohibitions Against Smoking on Scheduled Flights'' 49 U.S.C. 41706 does not in any way authorize DOT to ban use of electronic cigarettes.

The aforementioned law states, "An individual may not smoke in an aircraft." and it is important to note that E-Cigarettes do not produce smoke of any kind. The output of an E-Cigarette is vapor, which is quite similar to the steam which is produced when boiling water for tea. By virtue of the fact that E-Cigarettes do not produce smoke by combustion, Section 41706 does not, and most certainly should not, apply to using E-Cigarettes.

Further, E-cigarettes do not contain harmful ingredients. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has performed exhaustive tests on these products and failed to find any harmful chemicals in the vapor. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf

A few helpful definitions:

Definition of Smoke: A visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance.

Definition of Steam: The vapor into which water is converted when heated, forming a white mist of minute water droplets in the air.

Definition of Smoking: Inhale and exhale the smoke of tobacco.

In light of these facts, which hopefully help to clarify that Smoke and Steam Vapor are not the same substance, and that the intent of 49 U.S.C. 41706 is to prevent Smoking, or the combustion of Cigarettes aboard Scheduled Flights, I once again request that DOT withdraw the proposed amendment to 14 CFR Part 252.

Thank you for your consideration and the opportunity to voice my request.
 

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Additionally, passenger comfort concerns, is not a federal responsibility. If it were, then there should be regulations governing the size of seats, the amount of cushioning, and other factors that comprise passenger comfort.
Your entire submission was outstanding, as anyone can plainly see.
But as a 6'5" tall-challenged individual, I can especially appreciate the part quoted above.
:)
 

Stubert

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CES: Thank-you! (for the compliment and the welcome)

Your entire submission was outstanding, as anyone can plainly see.
But as a 6'5" tall-challenged individual, I can especially appreciate the part quoted above.
:)

And thank-you as well. (Not so big myself, but have been squished in the middle seat a few times.)
 
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