Need help identifying a "tank" type battery (Picture)

[Ottobon]

So i went out and after using pen type vaporizers at great expense for a long time (using V2s and refilling them with V2 fluid is atleast much cheaper then smoking Blu, Mark Ten, Vuse, or any of that none-sense) i decided that since i finally found fluid that i liked i should get a tank system once i get some money.

Well i went to a guy i like because he sells his products usually at a good price, he gave me a good nautilus Aspire Mini head, with instruction kit and all which is great, but he gave me a very nice "twist" type battery but apparently instead of giving me the kit he just threw in a "free charger" from another kit.

Sadly because i can't identify what battery it is i don't know if the 420mA charger that came with it is correct. So far it worked to charge the battery well 4 times, once fully charged, 3 times partially charged, only issue is the 2nd time i used it the Battery got quite hot, but that hasn't happened since. How warm/hot should batteries get while charging?


Anyways, What on earth Battery is this? Its a nice twist-type battery of 2200mah with 3.2V to 4.8V control, but all it has on it is a Logo, no name, no nothing.

Here is a picture, really hoping somebody can identify it as i don't want to buy another charger (or be given another "free charger") from this guy unless i can identify what its proper charger is.

The Logo is atleast distinctive, so i am hoping that helps somebody identify this

One final question: The guy who sold me this gave a lot of friendly and useful advice for making it last longer. He told me not to play with the Voltage too much (the twist function) as it could break the battery prematurely, is that true? I don't want to "play" with the battery, but i would hope i can atleast adjust one of the main functions/features of this battery without breaking it

 

[steved5600]

That is just a Twist type Mod. It will hold any atomizer as long as it has an EGO or 510 connector. I do not recognize the brand. But most twists are alike.

 

[Jockamo]

I have quite a few chargers that screw into the 510 connection that came with different brands of batteries. All have an output of 400 mah. It should be written on a label on the charger.

He must saying the quality of the twist is not so great. Be gentle with it. I suppose if that mechanism breaks any number of things could happen. You could be stuck at one voltage or more likely it will just stop working.

 

[Ottobon]

That is just a Twist type Mod. It will hold any atomizer as long as it has an EGO or 510 connector. I do not recognize the brand. But most twists are alike.

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I have quite a few chargers that screw into the 510 connection that came with different brands of batteries. All have an output of 400 mah. It should be written on a label on the charger.

He must saying the quality of the twist is not so great. Be gentle with it. I suppose if that mechanism breaks any number of things could happen. You could be stuck at one voltage or more likely it will just stop working.

reason i bought this one is because its the same battery and head setup he has been using for almost a year, and similar to me he is sensitive to "bad" tank systems (sometimes feeling dizzy), so once i found fluid that i liked (tested using empty V2 Pen type disposable cartirdges) i switched over to this


I suppose i may still change the Voltage from time to time but i will make sure to be gentle with it as possible. I know the guy i bought it from changes the voltage a little here and there and as i basically bought his set-up because he has been happy using it for over a year and owns a smoke shop , ill just be careful not to jerk it around, drop it, or anything like that.

Its extremely nice finally having a tank system that i actually like



edit: Output for charger is apparently 420mA, rather then 400mA, again if i could identify the battery that would help me be confident i am not over-charging it.

 

[Jockamo]

Its extremely nice finally having a tank system that i actually like

Good to hear. That's the goal.

What is the power output of the USB port you're using? I believe the charger portion will limit current but I don't know that. I wouldn't trust it anyway. I use a 500 mah port for charging those batteries.

 

[Ryedan]

Luckily the charger, which is apparently for a Kiwi Ego/Ego-T broke before the battery had any issues (it worked to charge the battery well 4 times, once fully charged, 3 times partially charged, only issue is the 2nd time i used it the Battery got quite hot, but that hasn't happened since)

I don't recognize the battery. If the battery ever gets warm while on a charger again, stop the charge immediately. These batteries can explode when they heat up and most of the time that happens is when they are charging.

It's really strange it heated up once and not other times. This is almost always the fault of the charger rather than the battery, but as I don't know the battery I can't say that with certainty in this case. I think something is intermittently going bad in there and that is not a safe situation.

 

[Ottobon]

When the battery seemed "hot" (more like Warm, but i don't like Warm with Batteries so i would say hot) i think it was because when i put it on the charger it was already about that warm just from severe usage. It was the 2nd day i owned it and was seeing how high/low i should put the voltage, as well as playing with smoke clouds (childish i know, but i had to get over that barrier once)

I eventually found out that i actually like very low voltage like 3.3-3.6V (fairly low compared to most, but i use higher strength nicotine for a tank system, about 12-18mg) since then the battery has not heated up during use, and hasn't correspondly heated up during charging.


I am also now taking time to let the battery "rest" before i ever put it on the charger.


Thanks for the advice guys even if we still don't know what battery it is


I live in SE Michigan so i am wondering if maybe it is a small but decent brand from Michigan, although to be honest that probably won't help anybody identify it as that is complete hearsay.

 

[Jockamo]

Correction... All of mine are 420 mah. Must be the standard. Good idea to let it cool before charging.

 

[bussdriver]

The battery looks like something called an 'evod twist'.

I would suspect not only the charger, but make sure you use a good quality wall adapter to power the charger. Don't use them in the car on those little lighter adapters. The USB output needs to be a proper 5 volts.

 

[Ottobon]

The battery looks like something called an 'evod twist'.

I would suspect not only the charger, but make sure you use a good quality wall adapter to power the charger. Don't use them in the car on those little lighter adapters. The USB output needs to be a proper 5 volts.

What i have done to give a better charge with my pen style batteries is use a rechargable "mobile charger", and or a 5V "Power Bank" style charger.

I do this strictly because the mobile charger heats up the pen style batteries the least, all while being more likely to fully charge them then a cheap plug-in chargers you can buy for 5-10 dollars at any grocery store.

When the Battery over-heated the charger was plugged into a old "mistic" (remember those?) USB adaptor, i have also tried using my phone adaptor for USB and it works inconsistently so i stopped using it as i don't think it was giving the proper power which is all sorts of bad. Doing those two things was probably part of my problem, as both were specific charging systems rather then universal 5V chargers.

With the 5V rechargable "portable power bank" mobile chargers like this (link to image of similar http://media.gadgetsfactory.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/6/2600mah_portable-power-tpp0002-3.jpg i seem to get the most consistent results, without ever overheating the battery or having inconsistency issues like the battery not initially being detected on the charger


I could switch to the plug-in type USB chargers, and may do so if i see a reason to, but i have been scared of those since they consistently over-heated my V2 Pen style e-cigs, in one case having killed 4 of them in the span of a month

When i talk about V2s i am talking about these guys, which was the only affordable pen style e-cig i ever liked personally, but still expensive vs a proper tank system ofc.

 

[Rizzyking]

That looks like a cheapy fasttech battery that came up a couple of months ago but I don't use that type so didn't look at the details I'll have a look see if I can find it but if it is that one quality is likely to be on the lower side so be careful with it.

 

[dgm76513]

I recognize that battery. It's a Smok Winder.



Yours looks like a re-branded one of these.

 

[mcclintock]

Charging issues have been noted with even with real (maybe) Vision Spinners ... I know I have some issues with my clone (which is rated 2200 maH). None of these COME with chargers, but should if they're going to be finicky. I have 2 kinds of the little USB-510 chargers with the 1.5" cord between. 2 chargers, which act identical, say "USB CHARGER" and the other just says "CHARGER" on it. CHARGER works properly on my Spinner but the others go to yellow light after a while and replugging just goes to green. It also works on my MFS blister pack EVOD battery but never goes to green -- USB CHARGER works better with that one. Not sure where which one came from -- there was a Joyetech 510 battery set, a CE4 blister set, and 2 MFS sets.

Heat sometimes comes from a bad battery-atomizer connection, the electronics in the battery (both these on the connection end), the battery inside, or the contact of the ground wire against the inside of the battery shell (have several EVOD batts with this, you feel it heat up quick which grabs your attention, but it cools just as fast and may not happen again for a while).

 

[Robino1]

Warmth from a battery when charging is not totally a bad thing... HOT is! You need to determine if the battery is HOT or warm. Remember, energy is being replaced into the battery. It should Not be getting hot while that is happening. Warm to cool is normal. Hot is never good.

 

[Ottobon]

Ok i should update a bit. I found out one of the chargers wasn't the one the guy gave me but another cable for a completely different charger i had from over a year ago when i first tried some very cheap tank systems and HATED THEM (the old ones with cotton-like wicks exposed, rather then a proper head system), that one worked OK and i only used it for about a 1 hour charge before it broke. Without reading the input/output labels it was impossilble to tell them apart, so it looks like the guy at the store gave me a proper 420A charger which i mentioned in one of my later posts.

I just partially charged it and it literally didnt even get warm, but it charged just fine (not sure if i should be doing occasional 2-3 hour charges , i have heard batteries like being around half to near full charge so i think this is OK , or better then leaving it on charger indefinitely like when on goes to bed)

I just looked up the Smok Winder and it looks very similar although not perfectly identical. The "twister" on the bottom is nearly identical, as is the push light, with only a few little difference in shape and logo.


If its true that is is a Smok Winder rebrand, one rated for 2200mah, then may i ask if that is a decent quality battery? Not worried about having the best on the market, more looking for the "Honda Accord" of batteries if that makes sense hehe.

 

[dgm76513]

The winder served its purpose as intended. Be careful not to drop it on the spinning part. Otherwise, it was decent. It worked as well as the vision spinner and ego twist that I also had. Quality and performance were on-par. If anything, the smok winder hit a little harder.

 

[Jockamo]

I just partially charged it and it literally didnt even get warm, but it charged just fine (not sure if i should be doing occasional 2-3 hour charges , i have heard batteries like being around half to near full charge so i think this is OK , or better then leaving it on charger indefinitely like when on goes to bed)

They ship Lithium batteries in a 30% charged state. From what I understand that is best for the longevity of the battery. What would be best is if you returned it to that state and don't use it. That's not practical though. Just use it as intended. Charge it up and enjoy it until it needs to be charged again.

I never let them charge over night. I don't trust the batteries or charger.

 

[Ottobon]

As always thanks guys

I suppose if i had one final question it would be how long does it usually take these batteries (most 2200mah) to charge fully? I usually get bored of waiting after about 2-3 hours and whatever level of charge it has it lasts me all day, so to be honest i have only fully charged it once.

So far as dropping it, as i said before i use it only in the main rooms of my house, i am still using the dinky V2 Cigs either when out and about, working on something say in my garage, or if i need some smokes by my bed side as i already had a near disaster with the tank system


I have used it on max settings but as i said before i run higher nicotine then most people i know personally who use these systems, so i have found really low settings work the best for me (low nicotine, high smoke just seems to choke oxygen out of my breathing, even if obviously i am not constantly smoking), with 4.0 V being my absolute maximum, but usually 3.4V is perfect with 12-18% nicotine.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

That looks to be an eGo spinner style battery
I had 2 for a long while myself, they are good to have around just in general and they will power most if not all Carto's and tanks (except the sub-ohm aspire). I used mine in Vegas as it easily fit in the pocket and amazingly lasted the whole day without issue 1.

Chargers for those are mod specific, I learned that one the hard way after burning up 1 of the 2 by selecting the wrong charger for it, lessons learned I suppose.

 

[AlAmantea]

One thing that is VERY I PORTANT with a twist style variable voltage battery...
When charging, MAKE CERTAIN TO SET THE VOLTAGE TO 4.2 VOLTS!!!
This style battery will not charge properly if the voltage is not set prior to charging. When you charge, these basically backfeed through the voltage regulator, and will not fully charge is the dial is set too low.
If you have a pass through charging port, setting the dial for charging is not needed, as the battery has a seperate charging circuit.
If you screw your charger in place of your tank, this is a MUST DO in order to charge properly. You Will overheat the circuit and could burn it up if you dont.
A standard 420mah 5volt usb charger is fine. The usb standard is 500mah max for computer usage, so a 420mah charger will charge yoyr batteries just fine, but will take a while. 4 to 6 hours if fully discharged.
You can also get a "tablet" type charger (2.1a) or cell phone charger (1.0a) and you can charge a lot quicker if you have a standard micro usb port for the charging adaptor.