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deeanne59

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I have been an analog smoker for over 30 years. I have just heard the "news" about e-cigs, and have been trying to get info on them. I would like to find out from users which one would be best to use for the first time, etc. I have been reading here about all of the bugs, problems, etc. with various models. Now I find out about the FDA holding shipments!

My doctor told me that I am "one of the ones' that can't quit"...and I have tried everything on the market. The e-cig could be the only thing to save my remaining life(and that of my cats).

I currently smoke 2 packs of analogs a day.

Any help would be appreciated.:cry:
 

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Dee, the problem with most of the e cigs out there are the battery life. It's a pain in the ..... I don't even use batteries anymore. I either use a passthrough connected to a power pack or I use a mod. I would suggest you go straight for one of the mods out there. Research these and make your decision.

Screwdriver
GG
Prodigy
Zi-Moshi
Janty Stick

Save yourself a lot of headaches and get something with long battery life and all you have to worry about is buying atomizers and juice.
 

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Woo-Hoo! I've got good news for you . . . *I* was one of the ones who "couldn't quit" . . . but I did. :wub: 2+ packs a day for 30 years, and I had tried everything.

Seriously, many folks who have been hardcore smokers for years find that they're able to reduce their tobacco use, or even eliminate it entirely. For some, it seems to be almost as easy as falling off a bike. For others, it's more of an uphill struggle, but even those who struggle to give up the tobacco find that it's fairly easy to reduce the tobacco intake.

Where to start? Why, reading this forum, of course! Seriously, you'll find an insane amount of information on this site, and it sounds as if you've already started.

Just read some of the threads from people like you who are asking for a shove in the right direction. The most often suggested "starter" e-cig is the DSE901 because it's pretty much bug-free, easy to operate, and it's easy to find supplies for. It's also a very inexpensive way to get your foot in the door and try e-smoking.

A lot of folks are also starting with the 510, an excellent e-cig with a powerful punch. It's not quite as "dummy-proof" and bug-free as the 901, but it's a great e-cig. The manual switch really provides a great deal of control.

Oh--edit your profile to include your location so that folks know where you are. You might find someone in your area who'd be happy to meet you at a Starbucks and let you test drive some models. I keep hoping against hope that I'll run into another e-smoker in West County St. Louis. ;)
 

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Ahhh, Lucky types faster than I do.

I want to say that I agree completely with Lucky regarding battery life and the models suggested. I have a Screwdriver, and it's basically attached to my body like an additional appendage.

However, I tend to be a bit leery of suggesting one of these models for a new e-smoker. Oh, they are positively amazing and I personally think they're easy to operate. But for some, switching from cigarettes to e-smoking is a bit of a transition, and the transition sometimes seems a bit easier starting off with something that kind of sort of looks/feels like a tobacco cigarette.

But if you're willing to walk on the wild side, then definitely check out the models Lucky listed. :)
 

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For me and my needs, I would totally agree with Lucky and JustJulie.

I would have saved tons of money and frustration if someone had pointed me to the screwdriver (SD) or the Janty Stick for my first e-cig.

Although, I LUV my 510 too :thumb:

For a first-timer I think the 510 or Janty Stick would be an excellent choice.

My Dura-C (510 with a manual switch) is still going strong after one month. Absolutely no problems except the typical short battery life. A passthrough solves that problem though.

My kids have "banned" me from taking my SD out and about. They tell me it looks like I'm smoking something illegal - like liquid weed. Too funny!
 
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To the OP, I am the doom and gloom realist here to report that e-cigs are not a magic bullet for those who want to quit smoking tobacco cigarettes. We have one forum member who is so addicted to nicotine that he uses multiple nicotine sources throughout the day to kill his urges. E-cigs alone cannot work for him.

So much of your success in quitting the use of tobacco lies in yourself and the things about smoking that keep you hooked. I was a 20-30/day smoker for well over thrity years. I stopped cold after day two of using my personal vaporizer.

My recommendation is to get a solid-performing, popular model called the DSE901 or mini e-cig or a penstyle/DSE801 device. They are overwhelmingly lauded on this forum. Get a starter kit, at least two extra atomizers (they will die) and, at least, and 30ml of an e-liquid (flavor choice(s) is all yours) to start. Cartridges with flavor and nicotine are expensive. It is cheaper to buy nicotine liquid and re-wet the cartridge filling when it dries and completely refill cartridges from scratch, as necessary.

If you spend much time at a computer each day, there is an item called a USB passthrough that can supply power to your e-cig without using up your batteries. This is a wildly popular accessory. If you do not buy one up front, I guarantee you will be ordering one in less than 30 days.

As much as you will hear the benefits of Screwdrivers, Zi Moshis, etc., I think you really need to make the journey from a basic, reliable e-cig, onto the 'boutique' devices as you assess your likes and dislikes of a standard e-cig starter kit. Nothing is a better teacher than going through a process, making mistakes, identifying what you would like to see improved and then searching for the ultimate system that works best for you.

To support the above comments from the above posters, if I knew then what I do know, I would have purchased a Screwdriver/Zi Moshi/GG-type device and a Janty Kissbox Extended package. Period. Those two device types would have fit all of my needs.

Sorry for your wallet! This new habit can be 'habit-forming'.
 

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I would agree with the others that battery life and reliability are the problems with the traditional cigarette looking e-cigs. My first e-cig was not very good, I almost gave up on the whole vaping thing, but, I stuck with it read some more post and found the Mangum LV and SD, I bought them both and like them both about the same, they both have pros and cons, but are excellent PV's.

As mamu said they can look a little bit like a shady device, I use a Nebula/VK for going out with or taking to work. They use a cartomiser rather than a atomizer and a cartridge, on a bonus side the 901 attys will work on the batteries so if you run out of cartomisers you can still use it until you get new ones.

Happy Vaping:thumb:

-Dan
 

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Hi deeanne, I use the DSE 901, and I like it so much that I've ordered another one this week for my month anniversary from quitting.
I like it because it's small and discreet. I have a black one that looks like a pen, and another one that looks like a cigarette.

I was close to 2packs for 20+ years.
LuckySevens4U's advice on the passthu is really good advice. I use it alot around the house.
You also might want to get extra atomizer for backup just in case.
And some juice in your favorite flavor.

Whichever choices you make, I wish you all the best and hope you do well switching over.
I had also tried everything on the market, and had almost given up on quitting....then I said..okay...one more time..I'll try to see if it works out.
And if this doesn't work, that's it.. I'm just going be a smoker.
I can hardly believe it...so far, so good.
I'm still here a month later :)

BTW...When you said
The e-cig could be the only thing to save my remaining life(and that of my cats).
I couldn't help but smile, I have pets too, and when I used to smoke cigarettes they would come up to me for some hugs and back off when I was smoking because they didn't like the smell.
Now that I'm vaping, they'll come up to me and smell it, then want some of it because they think it's a treat.
My home and pets no longer smell like stale cigarette smoke either.

It costs alot to start up, but I used to spend more than that on Marlboro's every month.
 

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I was a 2+ ppd smoker who couldn't quit either even though I knew my life literally depended on it. My best friend got me into the ecig thing. I looked around and did about a week's worth of reading at different places and decided on the DSE 901 and a sampler pack from Johnson Creek. I never looked back. I love my 901 so much! My hubby and son have also joined the ranks and they like the 901 also. I haven't tried any others so I can't compare the 901 to them, just wanted to let you know what I thought about it.

Oh yeah, my analog smoking is "maybe" one day now. Most days are none though.
 

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I'm no expert (been vaping for about 6 weeks) but I thought I'd try my best to help you out. My personal suggestion is to rate for yourself what is most important to your smoking enjoyment. Everyone is different and most don't find the e-cig for them on the first try. You will be have to be willing to work at it, experiment, spend money, and be patient. Once you've made a guess of what you think is most important, you can start reading peoples' reviews and make a better decision.

The big factors for you to consider are:

Looks - Some MUST have the e-cig look as much like a real cig as possible. If that's so, then that limits you a bit but there's still a decent amount out there to choose from. You could always go for something not so much like a real cig for when you're not in public and only use the real cig clone when you're out and about.

Flavor - If you need it to taste exactly like a real cig, you won't find that. Some give you hints but all flavors from all companies have a sweet tinge to it. Some more than others but the sweetness is there. Some are put off by that. I found that even though I hate fruity flavors, they go well with the liquid base.

Throat Hit - Some people care about the throat hit (the "tickle" or irritation at the back of the throat when inhaling). Regular e-cigs differ quite a bit but the liquid and flavor you choose has a lot to do with it. The higher the voltage of the e-cig, typically, the more throat hit as well... and the less flavor.

Vapor - This depends, again, not only on the e-cig model but on the liquid too. Higher voltage mods contribute a ton but you're usually gaining more intense throat-hit and less flavor.

Consistency per drag - Meaning the same flavor, throat-hit, and vapor every time. Many say that the only way to achieve this is through a battery mod. I would agree, though, I've only ever tried one battery mod.

Battery Life - Most stock e-cig batts don't last very long (anywhere from 1 - 5 hours depending on model and vaping habits). The only way to really get good battery life out of your e-cig is to use a non-standard looking e-cig (a battery mod). A few commercial examples are the ScrewDriver, Janty Stick, and Prodigy.

Atomizer Life - This is mostly contributed not by e-cig but by the liquid you use (some flavorings coat the atomizer much more heavily reducing their life) and how you vape (i.e. vaping for 5+ min constant or less frequent intervals between vaping sessions). VG is said to reduce atomizer life as well (though I have never used it so can't say from experience).

Using E-Liquid - Some don't want to mess with buying liquid and filling carts. There's a few models out there that come with "cartomizers" which means the cartridge filled with nic juice and the atomizer are in one section. They are disposable and you just put on a new one when you want. You *can* refill them with liquid if you want but it really doesn't work all that great. Going this route will not be cheap. The carts are decently expensive. You can also go with models meant for refilling the carts but just buy pre-filled carts. This is still much more expensive than filling them yourself but if you don't want the mess, then it's an option.

How long a filled cart lasts - Some put importance on how *much* liquid a cart can hold but that doesn't mean jack... It's how long it lasts before it starts tasting like sh*t or just not getting enough flavor/throat-hit/vapor. Sure, some carts can hold .5 ml, 1 ml... but most that hold that much will still be half full when you need to refill. If you decide to use liquid, it's not a super huge deal as you'll probably carry a small bottle around with you but if you're having to top off a cart after every 10-20 puffs, that gets pretty annoying.


As for the most popular e-cigs on this forum, it seems to me that the 801, 901, 510, and ScrewDriver and the most popular. Hope this helps... Probably long but I did it more for me than you as I need an excuse to take a break from my packing (moving to a new apt!). I know, I'm selfish :D
 

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yes i too had problems & still dotouch & go for a while but after 2 weeks & visiting a few vaperers I have ordered joye 510 manual battery all accessories & 1xtra atty & 1xtra attery pcc & usb passthrough for me this will keep me staying off analogs becuase when batt dies & the other one is still charging & i need nic analogs are right back in my hand I have the SE GOLD after replacing the cart with 801 penstyle TIP & dripping instead of cart it is bareable I choose not to buy the SD or protige & other modds for price factor only. spent $150 for the smoking everywhere gold large starter kit customer srvc is great when you get them & return policey, I still have the bad old parts the shipped priority new parts & no charge.GREAT srvc. but the PV is IMHO simmular to smoking a carlton cigarette just keep sucking & sucking to get a drag(that was prior to my changes) now its drawable. but you are all correct IMHO all of above should be great starters LOL if i knew then what i know now LOL would have personaly went for SD guess thats probably my high flying youth wanting that one brings back good memmories.
 
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Being a 2 pack a day smoker, my recommendation is you need a strong and consistent PV (personal vaporizer). I would get a manual switch PV instead of one of the auto switch PV's. You will have less problems and better vaping in the long run. The main ones are the Screwdriver, 510/Dura C (small battery), Prodigy, Janty Stick and GG. The larger battery PV's give you 6-8 hours of use between charge instead of the 2-3 hours with the small battery types and the auto switch PV's. They tend to cost more initially but the batteries only cost $2 where as the other smaller type batteries cost $20. You will save money in the long run just on the batteries. Here are a few links:

Best liked PV poll:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-discussion/14342-whats-your-favorite-pv.html

The Big Four in Manual Switch PV’s:

Screwdriver: ecigscrewdriver.com
Prodigy: PureSmoker.com - Your #1 Source For PV's, Parts, & Accessories!
GG: THE GG
JantyStick: Janty USA

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I appreciate everyone's input on starter models. Boy, I have a lot of research to do! I figured that "start-up" would be a little pricey, but I am hoping it will be much better than buying 3 cartons of analogs a month....once the main unit is purchased.

I need to learn about the "passthrough" and other terms on the board, but I will get there :thumb:
 

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I just researched a little on the Janty Stick Classic Kissbox....the video review give it high marks, and I noticed the price is FAIRLY reasonable, but the website doesn't say how long a cartridge lasts- in other words, does 1 cartridge equal one cigarette, one pack, or one carton?

Also, the "passthrough" you mentioned, is that the same as the USB bypass?

Thanks for putting up with this "noobie" :D
 

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I just researched a little on the Janty Stick Classic Kissbox....the video review give it high marks, and I noticed the price is FAIRLY reasonable, but the website doesn't say how long a cartridge lasts- in other words, does 1 cartridge equal one cigarette, one pack, or one carton?

Also, the "passthrough" you mentioned, is that the same as the USB bypass?

Thanks for putting up with this "noobie" :D

There are larger carts and smaller carts. I've never had a kissbox but I believe it is about the same as an 801 which is a larger cart. Typically a cart is equal to anywhere from 3-4 analogs (cigs) depending on how you vape. The 801 type cart has a draw more like a straw which many prefer but I don't because it doesn't seem enough like the real thing to me. The 901 cart is smaller but still is equal to 2-3 analogs, has a draw more like an analog and I believe allows you to taste the flavor a little more.

I and every forum member I know would recommend you to buy liquid to re-fill your carts instead of using prefilled carts. It is way more cost effective, you have many more flavors to choose from and just plain tastes much better. Here are some of the suppliers I get juice from that have good reputations:

www.liquidxpress.com
www.eastmall.net
http://www.myvaporstore.com/cartzip/user/link.php?id=1

http://www.truevapor.com/

Also, the USB passthrough is the same as the bypass. I would order the new one from puresmoker as the ones from China are very cheaply made. I would also get a usb wall outlet adapter instead of plugging into your computer. Much better result. Here is the one I got before I switched to the Screwdriver and don't need it anymore:

http://www.amazon.com/Coby-CA81-Power-Adapter-Charger/dp/B001PRKK6G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1240279116&sr=8-1


 

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Thank you WV2Win...I clicked on your link to TrueVapor website. They sell the Vapor Mini DSE901....I saw the same product number on a website selling the Prodigy- can they have the same product number and be from 2 different manufacturers?

The Vapor Mini DSE901 has a much better price, and the refillable cartridges seem to be a much better value than pre-filled. Plus, their 901 looked more like an analog....would that mean bad battery life?
 

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Sent you a PM... The same as follows:

Get yourself a 510, with a USB passthrough, and some 36mg smoke juice. Might want to buy 2 of the 30 ml bottles, as you may find that you go through quite a bit of it to start.

And don't worry if you find yourself unable to quit right away, you didn't go from 0 to 2 packs a day right away, it was gradual, so will be the quitting process.

After that, look at something like the Screwdriver, or GG, once you get over the whole form-factor issue (the desire for it to look like a cigarette).

I was never planning to quit, just bought my e-cig so i could use it inside (bars, movie theatres, etc...), but found that i don't like cigarettes as much as I thought I did. I'm just an addict. and believe me, this is by a far a bettery nicotine delivery system.

Good Luck!!

PS, Check the classifieds at the bottom of the main page of the forum. Ceejay has 510 kits for sale for $60, including 2 whole e-cigs and an extra atomizer. I just bought one, though it has yet to arrive, i will update when it does.

Take it easy, and have faith. once you get the hang of it, you will hardly want an analog.

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if she smokes 2 packs a day, how could 36mg be too much? unless shes smoking ultra-lights....

plus you dont need to read up on mixing juice, you just take the juice you have, add glycerin, and shake/stir. done.

I smoke 1.5-2 packs of Pall Malls per day and 18-24mg works fine for me............
 
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