Need to upgrade my Mechanical Mod?

[DraganPDX]

Im a newbie to rda's I been vaping for a year on my variable voltage Kanger Pro 2 and 3. I have on the way an H Cigar rda

And was planning on running it with my S1000 Mech Mod

But it doesnt have any voltage or ohm adjustment so I was thinking of upgrading to something better, for now im thinking of running a dual dragon nano coil, just looking for a cloud monster.

Suggestions?

 

[Ryedan]

Which dripper did you get Dragan? Or are you going to use the Gamma?

Yup, mech mods don't have variable voltage, or they wouldn't be mechs . What batt do you have for the S1000 and what would you like suggestions on?

 

[Zealous]

I'm confused. The pics you're showing are of an RBA that looks like a Genesis style. Are you planning to use some other RDA for the dragon nano? Also, no I don't think you need to "upgrade" your mech. I do think you need to learn a bit more about them before you try to fire one up with whatever RDA you're going to use. Mechs do not have safety features or adjustments like a vv/vw device. Your coil dictates the ohms & wattage. You need to know what you're doing & make sure you're coil is done properly so as not to have shorts. You also need to know what your batteries capabilities are so you don't build coils your battery can't handle. If you are new to RBA/RDAs I would not recommend starting with a genesis style atomizer. They are finicky & the mesh adds another level of challenge to building a good coil. I'd recommend starting with a silica rda such as an Igo L or W.

 

[LEDBETTER122]

Mechanicals are best for getting massive clouds, even though they do not have variable wattage on them.

With a regulated Mod (VV/VW) most won't allow you to run coils under 1.2Ohms. A Mechanical will literally fire "Anything" whether that be a 2Ohm coil or a 0.20 Ohm coil or a SHORT. So you really have to look into an OHM meter (Check OHM and shorts) and you need the right type of batteries (Sony VTC4 are great batteries).

Think of your coil as a "Wattage Knob", you build your coil based upon what you want your wattage to be. Want higher watts? Then build a lower Ohm coil (Lower watts vice versa).

If your looking into Cloud Chasing I would also recommend you get atleast a 30A battery so you will have some kind of lee-way

Right now I have a .30Ohm coil and with a full battery (4.2v) it is at 58.8 Watts and 14 Amps. A regulated mod wont allow you to run that many watts.

 

[DraganPDX]

I was planning on using the Gamma, but my order didnt seem to go through with vivid smoke so I might have to reorder I was contemplating with switching drippers but looks like I could have the best of both worlds with the gamma one since i could use it as an auto dripper or manual and built the same coils as I would on the non auto one.

So from my understanding I will be building my coils based on the battery I am using right now i just have the generic red ones 'IMR 18650 3.7V 2000mAh(7.4WH)" I need to order an Ohm meter.

 

[Land0Calrissian]

I think you should do some more research before you decide. You are right on the ohm reader, you definitely need that at the get go.

More important then the actual mech is the battery. Depending on what battery you use in a mech you can only go so low. That battery you have "IMR 18650 3.7V 2000mAh(7.4WH)" is rated at 10 amps, can only safely go down to 0.5 ohms. (if you want to sub ohm lower I'd recommend a sony vtc battery 30 amps and can go as low as .2 safely). Different style coils can bring about different ohm ratings, which is a big reason why you need an ohm reader.

I'd also agree with the above posts, it will be a lot easier for you to learn how to coil on an RDA vs genesis style atomizers at first. IGO-L, W, W4 are good inexpensive choices to start with, and solid choices.

 

[DraganPDX]

Ok so I changed my order to a UD IGO-W4 instead of the H cigar got an ohm meter and a sony VTC 4 battery. some 28g kanthol and 30g kanthol wire, and already boiled some organic cotton in distilled water twice that im drying now.

 

[NealBJr]

Im a newbie to RDA's I been vaping for a year on my variable voltage Kanger Pro 2 and 3. I have on the way an H Cigar RDA


And was planning on running it with my S1000 Mech Mod


But it doesnt have any voltage or ohm adjustment so I was thinking of upgrading to something better, for now im thinking of running a dual dragon nano coil, just looking for a cloud monster.

Suggestions?

Good idea of getting an RDA with a mech mod. Take everyone's advice and get some good 30a batteries like those Sony VT4's. This is what I've found out:

1.2 ohm+ coils are better for VV/VW devices, since they up the voltage to match the coils. a 2.4 ohm clearomizer works horrible on a mech mod.. it's like putting your vv/vw on 3.7 volts...
at 1.2 and under, that's mech mod range, since it can draw more wattage from the battery than most VV/VW mods can handle.

Getting an ohm meter is a must have. Also, Ohms law calculator is a must.. bookmark it.

To get your desired vapor, aim for what WATTAGE you want for each coil. The thicker the wire, the more wattage you'll want to heat it. Use Ohms law calculator to decide what ohms to get the desired wattage and determine if the amp limit is too high.

I know, it sounds confusing, but let me give you one example.

Let's say I've used 32 gague kanthal coil at 2.1 ohms in my genesis and I like the flavor at 8 watts. plug 2.1 ohms and 8 watts into the calculator, hit calculate, and it states I am using roughly 4 volts of electricity and 1.95 amps. modest numbers, but it is actually what I am vaping at this very moment.

Now, I want a similar vape out of my dual coil nimbus and my mechanical mod. I have a freshly charged 20 amp battery that just came off the charger. Batteries usually start at 4.2 volts, so I will be using that as my base. my goal is 8 watts per coil for two coils. Since the power will be distributed evenly to each coil, you would double it for the calculator so it shows 16 watts. So, I'd plug in 16 watts, 4.2 volts into the calculator and hit calculate. It shows that I need 1.1 ohms resistance to get those numbers. So, I'd have to double that number and make each coil 2.2 ohms resistance. It would only draw 3.8 amps of battery, so I am safe for that build....

Now, I want to chase clouds. I bought some 26 gague kanthal and wish to push the limits. I set a limit of half the battery (say I have a 30a battery) so I want to use 15 amps. The battery fully charged is 4.2 volts, so I plug in those two numbers... It comes up with .28 ohms of resistance using 63 watts. That means to do dual coils, that's a .56 ohm coil and each coil would get a whopping 31.5 watts... that's some serious power to those coils. I'm still under half the amp draw limit of the battery, so I'm fairly safe with that build with the right battery.

If none of this makes sense, then you'll need to do some more research. If you have a VV/VW mod, you could experiment getting a single coil dripper, and see what you like for dripping. I'd also experiment with stainless steel mesh on a vV/VW device as well, since those have their own faults.

 

[DraganPDX]

So what kind of resistance should I be looking to build using the sony vtc 4 battery safley? The lower the ohm the higher the voltage will be and the higher the voltage the quicker the coil will heat up and hotter correct?

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Dragan, we just talked about this the other day. Please read the advice above and take all suggestions and warnings seriously. I'm very concerned that you admitted you have no experience with mechs, RDAs, wrapping your own coils, OHMs law, etc. and yet you are still talking about building a super nano coil dragon quad build.

Please be careful, that build is no joke!

 

[Worzel]

Dragan, you CAN have a good vape on a single coil! Keep it between 1.5 and 2 ohms, and you will do fine! Leave the "cloud chasing" to the electricians!

I have an Aqua atomizer clone that I run single (capable of dual) that I modify the wick on, and I choke on the vapor sometimes! I have a Youde IGO w2 that I run single coil (capable of quad coils) that I bought because I love the adjustable airflow, and deep juice well. It vapes beautifully on single coil, but a challenge to build, because of the layout!


Sent from my bird in a moist little package

 

[DraganPDX]

Dragan, we just talked about this the other day. Please read the advice above and take all suggestions and warnings seriously. I'm very concerned that you admitted you have no experience with mechs, RDAs, wrapping your own coils, OHMs law, etc. and yet you are still talking about building a super nano coil dragon quad build.

Please be careful, that build is no joke!

I'm willing to settled for just a dual coil = D, but I will start off building a single, is my theory above correct? The lower the ohm the higher the voltage?

As far as the ohm meter gos, does it read the same ohm weather it's single or dual coil? Sorry this might be a total noob question but that's what I am.

 

[jrs99]

Asking the kinds of questions you're asking really shows you've not done the research you need to do.
Stop watching cloud chasing videos and start looking into battery safety and do a bit more research on mechanicals.

 

[beckdg]

I'm willing to settled for just a dual coil = D, but I will start off building a single, is my theory above correct? The lower the ohm the higher the voltage?

As far as the ohm meter gos, does it read the same ohm weather it's single or dual coil? Sorry this might be a total noob question but that's what I am.

no and no.

volts are what the battery puts out. they change as the battery is depleted or charged and drop under load. that's it.

lower ohms mean higher wattage and amperage. higher wattage and amperage means more voltage drop under load. this means the voltage will actually be lower under lower resistance loads. so lower Ω = lower V.

no. and your coils should be identical if you have more of them so the power is divided up evenly when applied. this would halve your resistance as there would be 2 paths of identical resistance for electron flow or current.

you need to do diligent research before you get below 1 Ω and should probably get a good grasp on the concepts long before you get anywhere near even that level builds. it's a very serious matter. you wouldn't stick a fork in your wall socket while holding it with bare hands. don't suck on that fork with your mouth while inserting it into said socket due to lack of research and understanding.

 

[DraganPDX]

So I ended up getting the IGO w-4 and drilled out the tiny holes. I tried building a few dual coils with 28g and 30g and they were OK, even tried doing a quad but that was really tedious was shorting out at first than made sure i bent all the wires right it was reading .45 ohms and didnt really work out got really hot quick so I gave up and took apart 2 kanger pro coils and used the coils from them on my RDA since I ran out of wire lol but she vapes pretty good not the monster cloud yet but should get some more wire in the mail today or tomorrow.

 

[DraganPDX]

Heres a video of my work from RIP Trippers 28g nano coil 10 wraps around a 28g needle. http://youtu.be/ZaWOEpoMNtM

 

[bryman021]

I'm confused. The pics you're showing are of an RBA that looks like a Genesis style. Are you planning to use some other RDA for the dragon nano? Also, no I don't think you need to "upgrade" your mech. I do think you need to learn a bit more about them before you try to fire one up with whatever RDA you're going to use. Mechs do not have safety features or adjustments like a vv/vw device. Your coil dictates the ohms & wattage. You need to know what you're doing & make sure you're coil is done properly so as not to have shorts. You also need to know what your batteries capabilities are so you don't build coils your battery can't handle. If you are new to RBA/RDAs I would not recommend starting with a genesis style atomizer. They are finicky & the mesh adds another level of challenge to building a good coil. I'd recommend starting with a silica rda such as an Igo L or W.

This +1

If you have never used a genesis style device it is prob not what your expecting it to be. I personally have never used one because I don't wanna mess with mesh and everything that comes along with it. I use a simple Igo-W and it is totally capable of being used to build just about any coil configuration you are wanting.

Also make sure you have an ohm's meter for testing the coils resistance once you build it(especially if your trying to build a cloud chucker!). You don't wanna go building a sub-ohm coil if your battery isn't able to handle the amp load.

 

[bryman021]

Dragan, no offense but you are an accident waiting to happen! You really need to understand what your doing, not just pulling coils out of a kanger head and hooking them up to your RDA. Your build at .45 if not a good 1st build and if you fire a shorted coil it can spell DANGER quick!!

Please slow down and invest the time to understand exactly what is going on with your setup

 

[Bigflyrodder]

So I ended up getting the IGO w-4 and drilled out the tiny holes. I tried building a few dual coils with 28g and 30g and they were OK, even tried doing a quad but that was really tedious was shorting out at first than made sure i bent all the wires right it was reading .45 ohms and didnt really work out got really hot quick so I gave up and took apart 2 kanger pro coils and used the coils from them on my RDA since I ran out of wire lol but she vapes pretty good not the monster cloud yet but should get some more wire in the mail today or tomorrow.

Of course that .45ohm coil setup got really hot really fast, that's the point of sub ohm!

Not trying to be a jerk here at all but I PROMISE that a dual coil will give you just as much vapor at a quad coil at 1.64 as you show, heck a single coil probably would too. You said you drilled out the cap on that RDA, unless you have dual 3/32 or 5/64 holes at least trying to build those crazy coils will do you no good at all. Remeber, you can build the best single/dual/quad or whatever coil but if you don't have air you might as well be vaping a single coil above 1ohm.

Very glad to see your build at 1.64 though, good on ya!